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But there is a catch. HSV have put a maloo on the test to win it based on biggest % improvement. But who on earth buys a maloo to save fuel? Its a pointless bit of marketing because it wont' get them any sales. HSV admitted itself that it was pushing ahead with LPG V8s even though the dealers say the customers don't wan it. Its about having a green image...so people can tell their concerned friends that while they bought their V8 it can be quite frugal. Of course that is a pointless statement since everyone knows driving a car in its ideal situation (wich for a v8 large car is at constant throttle on a highway) always makes it look good. The XR6T is at least driven by alot of non-performance fans (so not sure why their bought it anyway) so it is helpful for Ford to show its great real world economy. Either way the Fiesta econetic is going well so in terms of overall fuel burn it is going to win most likely. Which WILL BE USEFUL when marketing it as the lowest fuel burnign car in australia (particuarly against the mini which is its nearest rival and is currently burning more....)
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add to that once the infrastruture is in place, you don't need trucks to transport power as you do to transport LPG/ULP/Diesel.
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I can't believe they're fuelling the cars in such an un-scientific manner. From the above comments I have gathered they are filling from fuel stations? It really should be done in such a way that each vehicle is fueled with an accurately measured volume of fuel, with the fuel added at a set temperature, and the air pressure measured at each fill, so any discrepancies in volumes can be calculated. A commonly used standard for gathering scientific data is 20 degrees celcius and 1 atmosphere of pressure. That is unrealistic out in the desert, but there should be a better way to accurately measure and deliver the fuel, especially when the competition is so close.
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Doing it in the manner that they are, it will allow the general public to see that these highway figures are not a load of BS and that they can manage the same if they drive correctly. It also shows that they are using the same fuelling methods that Average Joe will use.
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That Maloo is still as ugly as it was yesterday........
Shame there is a little unrest, we want the results to be without any (minimal) errors or external factors influencing the readings.
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Example: Joe Average living in city 'X' gets better fuel economy than Joe Average with an identical car, in identical driving conditions living in city 'Y' because city X is colder, and therefore the fuel he gets is denser (more mass of fuel per litre). This is not a good comparison of fuel efficiency because there is no standard condition to compare the two. Last edited by kircher; 27-10-2009 at 02:34 PM. |
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So are they all using a control fuel? Are they refuelling from supply trucks? Do they all use fuel with the same Octane rating?
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On a side note, is it just me or do those DRL's on the Maloo look like they are in the completly wrong spot? Not to mention the other garbage styling on the Maloo.
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Seeing as the test is all open highway it would certainly attain those sort of figures and I wouldn't put it past Holden and HSV to do it. After seeing the pic of the Maloo, it is one damn ugly car as well |
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The Ford Fiesta Econetic team say that one o fthe reasons the numbers are being recalculated is because the officials spilt some of the diesel when refueling their car. NOt clear how much they spilt but teams are being very careful. Kia and Hyundai are in an actual argument (which is hillarious since the Sante Fe diesel/sorento have the same engine....and Hyundai owns Kia!!!) over dirty tactics involving drafting. One manufacturer accused others of using support cars for drafting (imagine the little fiesta sitting in behind a Territory Turbo...hmmm, no resistance LOL!) All cars have to pass scrutineering but it is not clear what is involved. An internal check to see if the car is running AFM internals (effectively an SS engine with a HSV engine cover) would probably not be picked up but you'd have to think HSV would have more ethics than that. As an engineer i certainly hope the HSV engineers wouldn't do that. For me the % improvement while interesting is a pretty pointless test RE the atcual cars involved. If anythying it proves how well the cars are suited (i.e. who is most suited to highway driving versus their ADR number) and the effort put in by the teams. The true winner is the one that burns the least.... While that is also dependent on the size/performance of the car at least that way people can view the results, look at the real fuel misers and see if they are suitable to their lifestyle. For example, if you were looking for a low fuel burning car because you were passionate about the environment, you might go straight for a prius because of its history and the hype. After this challenge is run cars like the fiesta econetic and mini D (and even diesel SUVs/sedans,) may be looked at because it gets their name out there.
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This is very impressive stuff. plenty of amo for the blue oval in the future.
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Are they new cars? Wouldn't they get better as they "loosen up"? Reckon the Fiesta will drop into the high 2s say 10,000km on its clock?
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i do have to laugh.. The officals filled of the Fiesta up, only to over fill it & have petrol drop on the floor!! How are they going to account of the dropped fuel is anyones guess.
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As noted by others they really should be using specialist rigs and refuelling all the cars at the same time etc. etc. But, assuming they use the same pump for all cars (well all diesel, all petrol) and the cars are done in order it should be relatively accurate....
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Any wonder they are over filling the FIESTA the mileage its getting you would just pull the trigger and it would be full again.
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I would rather instead of doing such large stints on the HWY, do a standard average stop start and some HWY/FWY driving, that's the real mileage.
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Never mind, for me its the car that really delivers the lowest that matters, and Ford is looking good with the Fez for that. The Suzuki alto is going well but it is technicaly a micro (sub light) car and with a 1 litre engine with a wopping 90nm and 50kw i'd say it is a fair bit less exciting to drive than a fietsa econetic (which has in excess of 200nm....) Skoda diesels have been goiing well, in the 4.7 range which is great for a largish sedan.... EDIT: They have updated the website with the data cumulative up to the end of stage 4. Can be accessed with greenfoam's original link at the top of this thread. Highlights: - hyndai just pipping kia in the same engineed cars (sante fe versus sorento - Fiesta still leading over the mini Ds but it is getting closer.... - Maloo still leading the % improvement (no shock there) - XR6T running 6.98 L/100km cumulative. THAT IS INSANE for a car of that grunt to get into the 6s. The Omega sportwagon is doing a 6.4 so far....so even though it is highway buffered (with the maloo at 7.6....) getting a similar weight car to do within 0.5 L/100 with an engine 33% bigger, with 42% morem power and a disturbing 84% more torque..... staggering....
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