A factory big block Australian Falcon GT - Page 2

XG_Falcon · 27-09-2015, 04:38 PM

I'm imagining a severe lack of traction...

Sioso · 27-09-2015, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

My memory was it was advertised closer to the 40k-60k mark.

Cheers Mick

Seeing as how I can't remember what happened last week I'd say your figure is probably closer to the mark.

CJR09 · 27-09-2015, 06:33 PM

pretty sure in recent times it was for sale at around 350k?

just pre or at/around GFC

HO 3 · 27-09-2015, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CJR09

pretty sure in recent times it was for sale at around 350k?

just pre or at/around GFC

I think it was passed in for a figure similar to that...........I believe the owner was looking for something closer to the 3 mil mark.

Cheers Mick

Express · 27-09-2015, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

I think it was passed in for a figure similar to that...........I believe the owner was looking for something closer to the 3 mil mark.

Cheers Mick

For a car that would only have serious but limited collector value in Australia !!!

sly_ba · 27-09-2015, 08:58 PM

Had dinner at the old mans tonight and asked him about this car. Seems I got a few of the details wrong. He said he had to drive to a house in Balwyn to view the car. The guy selling it said he was the president of Ford Aust. The XW was in a shed and the was a new Fairlane in the driveway which was apparently the daily drive. Dad said the worst of the rust was in the doors that it was showing signs elsewhere. Irrespective, he should have brought it... A very historically significant car.

HO 3 · 27-09-2015, 09:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Express

For a car that would only have serious but limited collector value in Australia !!!

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It would have more collector value here in Australia than in the U.S...........they don't do the 4 door muscle car thing that well over there in the U.S. It would probably be regarded as no more than a mediocre styling exercise for an Aussie model 4 door taxi that was a year or so behind what ever they were doing at the time.

Cheers Mick

**Polyal** · 27-09-2015, 10:12 PM

This for me is the pick of all the Falcons by a mile. Just the history of it and who was involved is enough. > than any HO

turbo4 · 27-09-2015, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

This for me is the pick of all the Falcons by a mile. Just the history of it and who was involved is enough. > than any HO

The Bill Bourke car is and awesome car.
My pick would be the GTHO Super Falcon though.

Express · 27-09-2015, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

It would have more collector value here in Australia than in the U.S...........they don't do the 4 door muscle car thing that well over there in the U.S. It would probably be regarded as no more than a mediocre styling exercise for an Aussie model 4 door taxi that was a year or so behind what ever they were doing at the time.

Cheers Mick

That was my point, no interest for it outside of Australia.

And I would go out on a limb and say no-one here would pay that price either.

Particularly when you consider that kind of money could purchase a mickey mouse car with a very strong international appeal and therefore have a better chance of increasing in value due to a larger audience.

No harm in testing the market I suppose.

wodahs · 27-09-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by turbo4

The Bill Bourke car is and awesome car.
My pick would be the GTHO Super Falcon though.

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needs the missing lights fitted , looks half nakid

ever since my first car ive preferred the xy of the falcons even tho mine was a wagon , but for fairlanes it be the zh , and then the 77 f truck model as well

HO 3 · 27-09-2015, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Express

That was my point, no interest for it outside of Australia.

And I would go out on a limb and say no-one here would pay that price either.

Particularly when you consider that kind of money could purchase a mickey mouse car with a very strong international appeal and therefore have a better chance of increasing in value due to a larger audience.

No harm in testing the market I suppose.

Yep agree it's an historically important car, but finding a genuine buyer willing to stump up the desired funds would be more than awkward..........we are probably currently seeing the high water mark for cars of this era, as more baby boomers such as myself kick the bucket we will probably see demand and prices generally soften for the Ford 60s 70s muscle cars...............something like we see today with Model A & T Fords that were once concourse restored and then worth a lot of money but now being bought up relatively cheaply and being turned into hot rods.

Cheers Mick

XR6WGN · 27-09-2015, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

I think Street Machine held a competition in late 80s with a (red?) 351 XF as the prize?

That car actually started as a Genuine XE ESP. By the time they had destroyed one of Ford's finest, it had XF panels, Phase Autos body kit and Recaros.

That's my opinion before anyone says anything. Yeah it was nice in the end but not to a 5.8 / 4 speed Ghia ESP!!

ken1939 · 28-09-2015, 12:26 AM

Neat history. The 428 was a pretty potent engine in its own right, cannot imagine trying to squeeze a 429 Boss in that engine bay. Like was mentioned, getting the power to the ground...I am surprised that no one has tried to build a clone of that yet? I wonder how much the body flexed?

In regards to the track, I wonder what the extra weight would have done to braking?

Moby Vic · 28-09-2015, 05:33 AM

I can't find any pictures of it, but Jack Telnack designed a two-door Falcon concept car with a 427 that introduced the Super 'Roo logo. I suppose that counts as a factory car.

CJR09 · 28-09-2015, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Moby Vic

I can't find any pictures of it, but Jack Telnack designed a two-door Falcon concept car with a 427 that introduced the Super 'Roo logo. I suppose that counts as a factory car.

^^pretty sure that was documented in one of the classic car mags also^^

tranquilized · 28-09-2015, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6WGN

That car actually started as a Genuine XE ESP. By the time they had destroyed one of Ford's finest, it had XF panels, Phase Autos body kit and Recaros.

That's my opinion before anyone says anything. Yeah it was nice in the end but not to a 5.8 / 4 speed Ghia ESP!!

I completely agree, and so does the market I think. 5.8 XE ESP's are commanding big money these days, I've seen them advertised for $50k.

On the other hand what would a molested bitsa be worth?

tranquilized · 28-09-2015, 12:59 PM

I'm a touch confused here...

The car pictured in post #24 - KJS-557, which is also the one pictured on the magazine cover and the subject of the website that Express posted the link to in post #16 - that's not the actual Bill Bourke special. Reading the website, under the "My Journey" page, KJS-557 is only a Bill Bourke Special replica. Have I got that right?

So the car others have been talking about, being sold for $3 million or $300k or whatever it is, that's the actual Bill Bourke special? So the genuine car is still out there? Why wasn't that car the subject of the magazine article? Surely the guy who built the KJS-557 replica doesn't think his car has any actual historical significance beyond the non matching number modified XW GT that it is?

**supershifty** · 28-09-2015, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I'm a touch confused here...

The car pictured in post #24 - KJS-557, which is also the one pictured on the magazine cover and the subject of the website that Express posted the link to in post #16 - that's not the actual Bill Bourke special. Reading the website, under the "My Journey" page, KJS-557 is only a Bill Bourke Special replica. Have I got that right?

So the car others have been talking about, being sold for $3 million or $300k or whatever it is, that's the actual Bill Bourke special? So the genuine car is still out there? Why wasn't that car the subject of the magazine article? Surely the guy who built the KJS-557 replica doesn't think his car has any actual historical significance beyond the non matching number modified XW GT that it is?

This doesn't answer your question tranquilised. I entered the rego KJS557 into the Vicroads website to see if it was still registered as to query if it was the same. It is now registered to a '97 Falcon sedan with VIN 6FPAAAJGSWVJ21317.

Cheers!

HO 3 · 28-09-2015, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

I'm a touch confused here...

The car pictured in post #24 - KJS-557, which is also the one pictured on the magazine cover and the subject of the website that Express posted the link to in post #16 - that's not the actual Bill Bourke special. Reading the website, under the "My Journey" page, KJS-557 is only a Bill Bourke Special replica. Have I got that right?

So the car others have been talking about, being sold for $3 million or $300k or whatever it is, that's the actual Bill Bourke special? So the genuine car is still out there? Why wasn't that car the subject of the magazine article? Surely the guy who built the KJS-557 replica doesn't think his car has any actual historical significance beyond the non matching number modified XW GT that it is?

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Originally Posted by HO 3

My memory was it was advertised closer to the 40k-60k mark.

Cheers Mick

Yes that is what I was alluding to back in post 25............it's a bit confusing because both cars have the same plate no, although 1 is Vic and other is NSW rego..............the car we were discussing is the original car. I have dragged out an old thread on the Classic Car forum that has a discussion about the original car when it was advertised for sale a few years back if you want to have a look.

Cheers Mick

tranquilized · 28-09-2015, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by HO 3

Yes that is what I was alluding to back in post 25............it's a bit confusing because both cars have the same plate no, although 1 is Vic and other is NSW rego..............the car we were discussing is the original car. I have dragged out an old thread on the Classic Car forum that has a discussion about the original car when it was advertised for sale a few years back if you want to have a look.

Cheers Mick

Ahh that's where the confusion lies - the same plate numbers

The real deal is Victorian, as per the magazine article and burnout pic, the replica, after looking closer at the pics on the website, is registered in NSW.

Express · 28-09-2015, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tranquilized

Ahh that's where the confusion lies - the same plate numbers

The real deal is Victorian, as per the magazine article and burnout pic, the replica, after looking closer at the pics on the website, is registered in NSW.

Yes after I’d realised I’d posted a replica I couldn’t delete the link out of the post.

As HO 3 had quickly pointed it out I just thought everyone knew it wasn’t the car and left it at that.