Can the Falcon last until 2016 - Page 2

Boza · 14-03-2015, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Chopped

Commodore 2517 and came 4th
Falcon 501 and came 53rd

Shows how diverse the current market place is. 49 nameplates in between those 2517 and 501.

Just goes to show how many bogans stil love there commodores lol

csv8 · 14-03-2015, 10:30 AM

Button Plan failed....

asagaai · 14-03-2015, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by csv8

Button Plan failed....

No - it achieved what it set out, but the objectives of the Button Plan required ongoing flexible policy maintenance implemented in context of the world community. Subsequent Australian governments failed over the last 20 years odd in maintaining and managing the policy objectives and outcomes.

Question- I understand that Australia has higher wages/costs than say China, Korea, South Africa, and car makers use those countries for cheaper production costs.

Why is it that my Honda 1.6 turbo diesel civic is made in England now? Why can England make cars but Australia not. Perhaps one answer is a bigger marketplace to sell into UK/Europe.

Given the concrete moribund thinking of our governments we may all need to buy 4wds, because Australia will no doubt end up a big mining quarry....

b0son · 14-03-2015, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

They're only building 83 a day or something, so they would be selling everything they are building.

They're only working 6 days a month??

prydey · 14-03-2015, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

They're only working 6 days a month??

83 cars, not falcons. also includes nz.

b0son · 14-03-2015, 05:11 PM

Fair enough... I would have thought VFACTS would count export sales?

b0son · 14-03-2015, 05:55 PM

Finally saw an ad for FGX! Well, Shannons used an XR8 in one of their ads... better than nothing I guess.

**Fordman1** · 14-03-2015, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

Fair enough... I would have thought VFACTS would count export sales?

Nope ...

DJR David · 14-03-2015, 09:48 PM

Certainly hope so!! Seriously looking at getting a G6E......

FNQracing · 15-03-2015, 12:55 PM

No BS, but I am yet to see an FG-X on the road.

asagaai · 15-03-2015, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by FNQracing

No BS, but I am yet to see an FG-X on the road.

Yeah- aside from a police FGX, a 6 cylinder, neither have I.

But this thread is such a non thread. Ford is not about to go under administration as being insolvent is it....meaning an imminent closure etc

Ford has planned closure in October 2016, and is in wind down mode here, and is tapering off production to closure as planned, when their imported models will take over. They are in planned transition mode, and the plan was probably set over a lengthy period, and you really think they will depart from that plan

They probably are loosing money with each Australian model produced and sold, but that loss is small skittles compared to the bigger strategic plan, and part of that plan is shutdown of local production in October 2016.

Get used to not seeing many FG X's on the road. The FGX XR8 will be so rare on the roads, that it will be like the original and best 6.2 litre AMG C63 when that car was rare in Australia.

GASWAGON · 15-03-2015, 01:56 PM

I dont understand why the FGX is'nt selling its a great looking car.

Ford really need to do something about their advertising program I hav'nt seen a Ford add for ages on t.v???

cram_it_frog · 15-03-2015, 02:07 PM

I have read and watched a number of reports on the new Ford and the word "Tired " come out a lot

if you think about it There is a minor difference between the BA and the FG x that is over ten year s

There is nothing major been done to give that wow factor

The VF was built to be exported and has many new things under the skin and things like the HUD and open the boot of a VF and a FG what a difference the VF has a spring on it no effort

**Fordman1** · 15-03-2015, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cram_it_frog

I have read and watched a number of reports on the new Ford and the word "Tired " come out a lot

if you think about it There is a minor difference between the BA and the FG x that is over ten year s

There is nothing major been done to give that wow factor

The VF was built to be exported and has many new things under the skin and things like the HUD and open the boot of a VF and a FG what a difference the VF has a spring on it no effort

There is a huge difference between BA and FG let alone FGX.

It just shows how little people understand about the mechanical, structural, and technological changes since 2002.

**Fordman1** · 15-03-2015, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

I dont understand why the FGX is'nt selling its a great looking car.

Ford really need to do something about their advertising program I hav'nt seen a Ford add for ages on t.v???

They sell what they are building and they won't build any more than they are per day now.

DJR David · 15-03-2015, 02:48 PM

Had a look at an xr6 in smoke.... time to talk to the wife.....

prydey · 15-03-2015, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DJR David

Had a look at an xr6 in smoke.... time to talk to the wife.....

you know forgiveness is a lot easier than permission

prydey · 15-03-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

I hav'nt seen a Ford add for ages on t.v???

if i'm watching tv, when the ads come on is when i get up and go and do other stuff. do people still actually take notice of the ads?

i don't think i've ever been influenced by an ad on tv when it comes to purchases of that nature.

cram_it_frog · 15-03-2015, 04:31 PM

Barraxr8 yes they are some changes I find it hard to get the right words but the word tired is used in so many motor reports

It just shows how little people understand about the mechanical, structural, and technological changes since 2002. yes I do agree but not every one is interested in those changes they look at the inside and they are the ones who buy the cars

b0son · 15-03-2015, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

I dont understand why the FGX is'nt selling its a great looking car.

If you have an FG, you already have an FGX under the skin. Are you seriously going to take the changeover hit for a better touchscreen and new bumpers?

And anyone else, if they've looked at the VF as well, probably aren't going to see a compelling reason to buy a car that is basically a much older car.

bernbo · 15-03-2015, 09:10 PM

My new fgx g6et arrives this week and i am moving to it from a veloster + and before that a magna sports. The veloster has been great, has all the toys but i had an open mind for what iv would get next. The Falcon is still a great buy, i looked at the new sonata, a new liberty and a mazda 6. All top of the range, all similar size, all similar price. I get an absolute missile of a car but i dont get a hud, or a self parking car or a heated seat. I have a working neck and am an excellent parker. What of real substance have i missed out on? So the interior is an older design, still is easy to use and is neat and tidy. But looked what i have gained over the others. It is a car where the faults are well known and documented but in reality are cheap to fix by world standards. This car will last for yonks and can be hotted up cheaply. All the other mid sizes (but are the same size as our falcodores) well be replaced in another 2 years with the next version, with more tech but no real substance and be even less of a drivers car. I can't wait for my piece of aussie heritage, will sit perfectly with my territory and my 1964 xm wagon. The blame sits with ford US not allowing ford Aus to convince the public about the virtues of our aussie cars. They will sell all the make and the public will move on to other brands after the closure.

FGX008 · 15-03-2015, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by FNQracing

No BS, but I am yet to see an FG-X on the road.

Hey FNQracing

I have to agree with you. Other than my my own car I have not seen one other FGX on the road in Queensland. Today I drive a round trip of approximately 300 kilometres to the Sunshine Coast from the western suburbs of Brisbane in my BF mark II ute and I did not see one FGX. I am beginning to think that other than my own FGX that they are a rare commodity on the roads in Queensland.

Cheers, Brent

Cashie · 15-03-2015, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by bernbo

My new fgx g6et arrives this week and i am moving to it from a veloster + and before that a magna sports. The veloster has been great, has all the toys but i had an open mind for what iv would get next. The Falcon is still a great buy, i looked at the new sonata, a new liberty and a mazda 6. All top of the range, all similar size, all similar price. I get an absolute missile of a car but i dont get a hud, or a self parking car or a heated seat. I have a working neck and am an excellent parker. What of real substance have i missed out on? So the interior is an older design, still is easy to use and is neat and tidy. But looked what i have gained over the others. It is a car where the faults are well known and documented but in reality are cheap to fix by world standards. This car will last for yonks and can be hotted up cheaply. All the other mid sizes (but are the same size as our falcodores) well be replaced in another 2 years with the next version, with more tech but no real substance and be even less of a drivers car. I can't wait for my piece of aussie heritage, will sit perfectly with my territory and my 1964 xm wagon. The blame sits with ford US not allowing ford Aus to convince the public about the virtues of our aussie cars. They will sell all the make and the public will move on to other brands after the closure.

Good post.
Make sure you start a thread on your G6ET.

Yellow_Festiva · 16-03-2015, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

I dont understand why the FGX is'nt selling its a great looking car.

Ford really need to do something about their advertising program I hav'nt seen a Ford add for ages on t.v???

You probably have, but just tuned out or been off doing other stuff. I hardly watch TV but have seen a few different Ford ads recently:

* Kuga being X% more powerful than Rav4 - the one that looks like a press conference (what happened to the other chick?)

* Territory - the one where the soccer mum collects the kids from the game surrounded by other pompous twats driving more prestigious brands.

* Free loan car with schedule servicing - God that guy annoys me...

Any ring a bell?

danzvtil · 16-03-2015, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

You probably have, but just tuned out or been off doing other stuff. I hardly watch TV but have seen a few different Ford ads recently:

* Kuga being X% more powerful than Rav4 - the one that looks like a press conference (what happened to the other chick?)

* Territory - the one where the soccer mum collects the kids from the game surrounded by other pompous twats driving more prestigious brands.

* Free loan car with schedule servicing - God that guy annoys me...

Any ring a bell?

Plus the same oddly confident woman explaining what a plate sale is has been on repeat on am/fm radio all day.
Yeah, im sure ford don't do any advertising.

Yellow_Festiva · 16-03-2015, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by danzvtil

Plus the same oddly confident woman explaining what a plate sale is has been on repeat on am/fm radio all day.
Yeah, im sure ford don't do any advertising.

Yep - has been flogged for a few weeks now. Have heard that one several times.

I thought the girl doing the radio add sounds like the previous one that was discussed in another thread - where they compare Ford to Toyota?

Vesper Martini · 16-03-2015, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FNQracing

No BS, but I am yet to see an FG-X on the road.

Saw a couple at Albert park on the weekend, driving pretty fast too

Vesper Martini · 16-03-2015, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bernbo

The blame sits with ford US not allowing ford Aus to convince the public about the virtues of our aussie cars.

And The Governments, they have thrown so much at the car industry, yet have not put measures in to make Locally but cars the best option for the public.
No invested interest whatsoever

DK30RB · 16-03-2015, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by b0son

If you have an FG, you already have an FGX under the skin. Are you seriously going to take the changeover hit for a better touchscreen and new bumpers?

And anyone else, if they've looked at the VF as well, probably aren't going to see a compelling reason to buy a car that is basically a much older car.

I had an FG XR6T and now have the FGX XR8 - there is a world of differences in the two cars.

If you go from an XR6 to an XR6 - then sure - its the same. The FG-X was never said to be a whole new model. I look at it as a midlife update....

Look at the SS commodore (and possibly the SV6) - when was the last time it got a power increase? Has been the same since the VE in 2007. Sure they added bells and whistles but do they drive any better. I guess people are really gullible enough to believe that those fancy buttons and flashing warning lights make the car a better drive.

I don't think Ford are out to sell an FGX to an FG owner who wants the same model. I would suggest that if you want to upgrade models ie XR6 to XR6T, or G6E Turbo, or Xr8, then the FGX is a great buy for a great price.

I test drive the HSV 340kw Clubsport R8, and once i got past the bells and whistles - it was - meh...... Had nothing on the XR8. The dealer was giving it away for $62k - new....

I not a brand loyalist so didn't feel an obligation to buy the XR8, but at the end of the day, based on what i wanted out of the car, the XR8 was much better than the R8.

Everyone is down on Ford for not updating the car, yet a lot of the other brands are doing the exact same thing.

Cashie · 16-03-2015, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DK30RB

Look at the SS commodore (and possibly the SV6) - when was the last time it got a power increase? Has been the same since the VE in 2007. Sure they added bells and whistles but do they drive any better. I guess people are really gullible enough to believe that those fancy buttons and flashing warning lights make the car a better drive.

Comparing the VF update to the FG-X is interesting.
The VF has 60% new components in the chassis/handing areas, aluminium bonnet and boot, electric steering, totally replaced the network architecture to Global A, installed ISOFIX... etc and added some "fancy buttons and flashing warning lights"..
FG-X has far less than the above I would have thought.

I agree fully on your statements about the XR8, it is an awesome package for the money!