unfair Speeding fine : court didnt help... - Page 2

HOON69 · 13-07-2007, 08:27 PM

wasn't intentional so dunno why the cop went anal n you but thats the law for you

i would never enter a hwy mwy lower then th speed limit imagine if you took the judges advise

you'd either be dead or in a accident and seriously hurt.

stop on a off ramp how stupid is that crap

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imagining doing 0-100kmh merging it takes a good 7-12 seconds if you floor it,amagine a truck doing 100 or so,and imagine the gap you'd need.

mate i honestly reckon you got raped by the law and the system

sheldzzz · 13-07-2007, 09:07 PM

judges like this should be shot and in the knee caps and throwen into the same prison as all their convicted persons. thats just my opinion

Keepleft · 13-07-2007, 09:17 PM

On an F3 (a freeway betwen N'castle and Sydney) on-ramp some time ago, had a go through channels at local and odd HWP person who decided it'd be appropriate to do RBT, near the freeways left-lane itself!

Hasn't happened again, and if it does. . .

Strange things do happen.

OT and unrelated 'gravel on road':-)
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GT-E · 13-07-2007, 09:57 PM

You were not booked by a Cop, you were taxed by an armed speed enforcement nazi
It is pathetic that common sence and safety is not considered when enforcing speeding. It is no wonder our road toll rises every year.

schmidty · 13-07-2007, 11:53 PM

can i ask which magistrate you drew? Wasnt VonIenem was it?

Falc'man · 14-07-2007, 05:46 PM

Thats ridiculous. Imagine keeping your eye on the speedo - so as not to go over the limit - in a situation like that and at speeds like that? You'd be lucky not to become oblivious to your surroundings if your mind was set on whether you're speeding or not.

SlikedTurb · 14-07-2007, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Rightly or wrongly I speed up to merge all the time! I just don't whinge if I get done speeding doing it.

I disagree with alot of the laws too but such is life. There is a stop sign near my house where there is hardly any traffic I rolled through it and treated it like giveway sign and got done by a cop sitting there. I told the cop there is never any traffic here but at the end of the day copped it sweet and paid the penalty I did the wrong thing!

Very well said,
deal with it.
Speeding is speeding.

SlikedTurb · 14-07-2007, 06:12 PM

it's the same as speeding to overtake, YOU'VE got to be prepared to be booked. that's the risk you take.

**Full Noise** · 14-07-2007, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikedTurb

it's the same as speeding to overtake, YOU'VE got to be prepared to be booked. that's the risk you take.

It doesn’t mean that it’s unsafe, or the wrong thing to do in avoiding a difficult situation though.

Just because the law is the law, doesn’t mean that it’s right.

shane3 · 14-07-2007, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SlikedTurb

it's the same as speeding to overtake, YOU'VE got to be prepared to be booked. that's the risk you take.

And you have NEVER put your foot down and gone over the speed limit in your BF XR6 Turbo?

ads · 14-07-2007, 06:45 PM

Unfair. Isn't there some kind of unwritten code of conduct among police that says "don't be a pr%$k and wait near on-ramp for poor punter trying to merge without getting cleaned up by dozy left lane drivers"? What an a.h. I'm sure there are plenty of cops out there who wouldn't even contemplate issuig fines from such a location, out of shear common sense and respect for the public they serve. You shouldn't need to have to have a little clause for every possible loophole, that policeman should have shown some respect.

As for those who say you should have just paid the fine and been done with it (also known as "rolling over and dying"), shame on them. Australians are proud of their fair go ideal and every time a bloke like you goes to court to challenge something unfair it's like putting on a fresh coat of paint.

GS608 · 14-07-2007, 06:51 PM

the law should only be there as a guideline, in driving atleast, there are occasions when you need to speed up, or 'break the law'.

imagine going through an intersection there was that particular cop at one side doing his radar, a car goes through the red light you dont notice it till the last minute, do u speed up to avoid the accident and get a ticket?

i know it seems a stupid question, but would that cop see the common sense side of it then? its basically the same thing here, except not as dramatic.

sorry if it doesnt make sense, im real tired and my minds going phhwwoaarr all over the place

ads · 14-07-2007, 07:11 PM

Nah mate, you're making plenty of sense. What your saying is that some police are more interested in meeting quotas and getting home on time than public safety.

robbo_yobbo · 14-07-2007, 08:28 PM

Theres been a few great quotes in this thread - I like it.

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Originally Posted by Full Noise

Just because the law is the law, doesn’t mean that it’s right.

Thats exaclty right, there always needs to be room to accomodate that exception to the rule. zero tollerance policy on ANYTHING will not get anybody anywhere.

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Originally Posted by colossus

This is the defeatist attitude I don't understand - if you don't agree with a law then we (the citizens) should make it known not "cop it on the chin" as the catch phrase goes. Nothing will ever change if we don't. Its not whinging its sticking up for what you believe in.

Spot on - last thing we should be doing is rolling over - The cops work for you, not the other way around - sometimes they need a little (read:BIG) reminder of that, and the council wont know things need changing if everybody just chows down on whats being dished out to them. keep rolling over, soon you'll all be wearing pink frilly knickers with purple polka dots while your driving just because its the law and it makes you easier to see and keeps you alert.

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Originally Posted by ads

.....What your saying is that some police are more interested in meeting quotas and getting home on time than public safety.

"Some" is being polite I would have said "most" at a bare minimum.
The cop that pulled me up the other night must have complained more than 15-20 times how he should have been home already, and not up at midnight chassing hooligans off the road (by hooligans he meant me: the poor sod who didnt have his p plates up 5 minutes before the provisional conditions expired)

alstar5 · 15-07-2007, 02:14 AM

You think you've got it bad?

Try being a P-Plater and being speed limited to 90km/h merging into the fast lane on a 110km/h freeway. Oh and remember, if you speed even by 3 or 4 km/h's you loose your licence for 3 months.

I ignore speed limits when I merge onto freeways, if I get caught, so be it, but I'd rather that than risk my life and everyone elses!

SlikedTurb · 15-07-2007, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by shane3

And you have NEVER put your foot down and gone over the speed limit in your BF XR6 Turbo?

where in my statement did i say that i've never done it??

but like "Stefan" has said,
the difference is, i would't be sooking like a baby if it happened to me?

people have to accept responsibiliy for their actions. don't try and offload the blame to the cop, he's just doing his job.

TUF514 · 15-07-2007, 11:10 AM

This rediculous point of view of 0 tolerance is quite unfair.

The only way to fix the problem is to change the rules.

Everyone that gets a speeding fine should take it to court. Even if you have no chance of winning, clog up the courts even more!

-=FoRdEseries=- · 15-07-2007, 06:05 PM

dude that is so unfair! i would rather speed up abit to get into the trafic than get cleaned up by a truck! at the end of the day the system may of won, but you are still politically correct and know that you are right. Anyone in your position would of done the same and i say for everyone here that you did a great job at trying to win but unfortanatly you didnt win in there eyes but you won in ours.

dirt 01 · 31-07-2007, 02:11 PM

Thanks guys! :-)

I think it was sure worth it to give it a try.

And my respect for cops and the court system keeps hitting lower and lower depths...

manny_papa · 31-07-2007, 02:51 PM

Bad luck mate, but
i doubt we as people will win these types of arguments against the government given that there are people getting seriously hurt or loss of life on our roads. The view police have is if you speed, your booked. simple, reguardless of the situation. I can understand where there going.

For example and im not talking about your exact case or situation but just think of this:
You want to merge, you speed up and are busy and concentrating on the merging, but you fail to look ahead of you. Up ahead there is either an accident or traffic or some IDIOT going really slow. Merging lane ends and you dont stop in time because you went that little bit extra in the speed. MAYBE if you went the limit, you would have stopped in time.

This fact is stressed greatly in the driving coarses i have attended.
NEVER exceed the limit, its crucial because you NEVER know whats up ahead, it doesnt matter how well of a driver you are, you cannot control other drivers and the situation.

Please dont take this as aiming at your situation. Just thought i will stress what i have learnt and seen first hand.

Its easier going slower, blinkers on and someone will let you in. An accident at lower speeds is better than the result at a higher speed.

Manny.

nobbystang · 01-08-2007, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Keepleft

On an F3 (a freeway betwen N'castle and Sydney) on-ramp some time ago, had a go through channels at local and odd HWP person who decided it'd be appropriate to do RBT, near the freeways left-lane itself!

Hasn't happened again, and if it does. . .

Strange things do happen.

Luckily I was northbound the day they did this, couldn't believe my eyes. Have seen the same thing in Victoria, just before Moe heading East on the Princes highway, 2 lanes backed up for 2-3 km's. Was way back in the late 90's though!!