Nissan hits back at Porsche cheat claim - Page 2

**Grunter** · 09-10-2008, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

I found this to be an interesting read.

That was interesting, but just as full of assumptions and guesswork as anything else I've read.

Get the 2 cars together with two fully independent drivers who know the Ring backwards. Give them 1 day to get to grips with each of the cars and then get them to run 3 laps of each car. Average the times and bingo, you've got some comparative times, that at least have some relevance to each other.

nugget378 · 09-10-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by loltastic

So you're a professional racing driver are you? If not, your comment is redundant as Porsche and Nissan both used professional racing drivers, and actually Nissan used an Ex F1 racing champion who did thousands of laps around the ring prior to his official run.

Not at all,but I'd bet I get around a track a fair bit more than you.
I dont need to be a professional driver to know when Im being fed a marketing excercise,besides that I dont really care..

Be good to see one of these new nissans at a track day,but it would want to be really fast (modified) not to get owned by the old and ancient leaf sprung cars we run around with...

4Vman · 09-10-2008, 12:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugget378

Not at all,but I'd bet I get around a track a fair bit more than you.
I dont need to be a professional driver to know when Im being fed a marketing excercise,besides that I dont really care..

Be good to see one of these new nissans at a track day,but it would want to be really fast (modified) not to get owned by the old and ancient leaf sprung cars we run around with...

That would look quite funny.. the boy racer Japanese wonder god car getting run down and over taken on the EC main straight by the XA silver bullet!!

nugget378 · 09-10-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

That would look quite funny.. the boy racer Japanese wonder god car getting run down and over taken on the EC main straight by the XA silver bullet!!

Not to mention a couple of quick torana's and one very very fast charger..

4Vman · 09-10-2008, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by nugget378

Not to mention a couple of quick torana's and one very very fast charger..

and an even quicker Green XY and Blue Camaro....

Rev28K · 09-10-2008, 01:26 PM

There was meant to be a track day with a few exotics (including an R35 GTR) at Phillips Island recently.

The R35 was modified and didn’t have a speed limiter. I don’t know what mods it had done or the people involved so don’t ask. Judging from the claimed time I’d say that the mods were “significant”

Here is a link to the post – it’s got a data trace of the R35’s lap times in it. The post is light on detail http://www.clubitr.com.au/forums/sho...?t=5139&page=3

The modded R35 GTR is claimed to have done 1:15’s down there (which is *ing fast – quicker than a V8 supercar around there, or Casey Stoner’s quickest time last Sunday). A local V8 would be doing something around 1:50 (or better), my little N/A FWD can just get under 2:00.

Times:
Nissan GTR R35 GTR 1:15s
Porsche 997 GT3s (one was on full slicks) 1:16/17s
Race prepped Mazda RX7 on full slicks 1:19s
Ferrari F430 (Scuderia?)1:20s
Nissan GTR R34 (modded) on semis with bolt ons 1:21s

mcnews · 09-10-2008, 01:38 PM

A true sports car will always be faster than a bike around a track due to four bigs bits of rubber and four big brakes compared to two skinny tyres. Acceleration will never be close to a motorcycle but the cars make huge amounts of ground under brakes, entry and mid corner. Even a V8 Supercar brakes much, much later than a Superbike, when it comes time to exit then it is a whole different story however as the bikes accelerate out of the corners so much faster. When you are talking anything remotely standard road car wise that is not a true supercar the bikes will annihilate the cars, but get a true race car and the bikes won't see which way the race car went when it comes to lap times. By true race car I mean anything lighter and faster than a V8 Supercar, which is only true exotica, as V8 Supercar lap times are fairly lineball with Superbikes at most tracks. Of course the other difference is however the sportsbikes will lap all day, just put fuel and tyres on them and they will go all day, day after day. Try doing that in a standard sports car however.... Then compare the costs....

kooky · 09-10-2008, 01:58 PM

Some people need to pull their heads out of their own behinds.

Rev28K · 09-10-2008, 02:21 PM

Mcnews

I agree with all you’ve said bike>cars for acceleration, and car>bike on brakes and grip. And the bikes and V8 supercars are built to a control formula. Full credit to the nut cases on bikes that crank around there at 300kmh while I am doing 210ish. They may be able to wear their tyres all around the side walls all day long but if you have an off at the island I’d rather be in a car (cage).

Sub-2:00’s at the Island is quite quick enough for me. I have been out there when a first gen Porsche GT2 on slicks was out there and he just left me for dead in corners, under brakes and acceleration which is as you’d expect.
As a born-again chicken the idea of anything quicker than 1:40’s around there gives me the heebie-jeebies and something like an F5000 would give me a case of the shivering quits..

I know that this GTR wasn’t stock and I posted the time mainly to show that it was running with some quick cars – well at least quick to me.

Quicksand · 09-10-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Good read!

Agreed, a very good read and provided more insight than most people can give

nugget378 · 09-10-2008, 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev28K

There was meant to be a track day with a few exotics (including an R35 GTR) at Phillips Island recently.

The R35 was modified and didn’t have a speed limiter. I don’t know what mods it had done or the people involved so don’t ask. Judging from the claimed time I’d say that the mods were “significant”

Here is a link to the post – it’s got a data trace of the R35’s lap times in it. The post is light on detail http://www.clubitr.com.au/forums/sho...?t=5139&page=3

The modded R35 GTR is claimed to have done 1:15’s down there (which is *ing fast – quicker than a V8 supercar around there, or Casey Stoner’s quickest time last Sunday). A local V8 would be doing something around 1:50 (or better), my little N/A FWD can just get under 2:00.

Times:
Nissan GTR R35 GTR 1:15s
Porsche 997 GT3s (one was on full slicks) 1:16/17s
Race prepped Mazda RX7 on full slicks 1:19s
Ferrari F430 (Scuderia?)1:20s
Nissan GTR R34 (modded) on semis with bolt ons 1:21s

Looking at the lap records,all I can say is hmmmm..
Christ they must be good,can beat open wheelers and all,no wonder its like the second coming of christ to the fanboy's..

PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT LAP RECORDS
CATEGORY/CLASS DRIVER CAR DATE LAP TIME
OUTRIGHT SIMON WILLS REYNARD 94D 13/02/2000 1.24.2215
FORMULA 4000 SIMON WILLS REYNARD 94D 13/02/2000 1.24.2215
FORMULA 3 LEANNE TANDER DALLARA F307 MB 15/06/2008 1.26.9031
FORMULA FORD 1600 TYLER MECKLEM VAN DIEMAN RF91 16/05/1999 1.40.1079
FORMULA FORD NICK PERCAT MYGALE SJO7A 14/06/2008 1.38.5248
FORMULA VEE 1200 DANIEL REINHARDT ELFIN 4/09/2005 1.56.8004
FORMULA VEE 1600 TIM HAMILTON JACER F2K7 15/06/2008 1.52.9995
V8 SUPERCARS CRAIG LOWNDES COMMODORE VT 16/05/1999 1.33.4389
SUPER TOURING GEOFF BRABHAM BMW 320i 1/06/1997 1.37.1706
NATIONS CUP/ GT PAUL STOKELL LAMBORGHINI DIABLO 10/08/2003 1.34.1058
GT PERFORMANCE JAMES PHILLIP FALCON BF FPV GT 19/08/2006 1.45.2660
GT PRODUCTION/PCCA LEE CASTLES SUBARU WRX STI 15/06/2008 1.49.8475
IMPROVED PRODUCTION
A (OVER 3001cc) WARICK MASSEY MAZDA RX7 7/05/1995 1.46.5800
B (2001-3000cc) ROHAN AMBROSE MAZDA RX7 12/09/1999 1.46.0362
C (1601-2000cc) JOHN RANDALL DATSUN 1600 12/09/1999 1.50.3537
D (UNDER 1600cc) DAVID LOFTUS TOYOTA STARLET 24/11/2002 1.54.2041
HQ HOLDENS DAVID WOOD HOLDEN HQ 12/06/1999 2.01.6608
COMMODORE CUP MARCUS ZUKANOVIC COMMODORE Vs 20/05/2006 1.47.9135
SALOON CARS KRIS WALTON FALCON AU 19/08/2006 1.50.8138
MINI CHALLENGE PAUL STOKELL MINI 12/09/2008 1.44.1491
MIRAGE TROY HUNT MIRAGE 22/09/2002 1.53.0016
V8 UTES MARCUS ZUKANOVIC FALCON BF XR8 20/08/2006 1.51.9799
TOURING CAR MASTERS JOHN BOWE CHEV CAMARO 14/09/2008 1.45.8812
SPORTS SEDANS
A (OVER 4001-6000cc) DARREN HOSSACK AUDI A4 CHEV 15/06/2008 1.31.8615
B (3001-4000cc) LUKE YOULDEN MAZDA RX7 14/04/2002 1.34.8902
C (2001-3000cc) RICHARD CATCHLOVE MAZDA RX7 9/06/2002 1.39.8284
D (1301-2001cc) BRYCE PETER-BUDGE PEUGEOT 406 7/09/2003 1.42.7417
E (UNDER 1301cc) BARRY DEVLIN MINI COOPER S 12/06/1999 1.56.3401
SPORTS CARS
MARQUE SPORTS ALLAN SIMONSEN FERRARI 360 25/11/2006 1.34.6990
MG RACING MORT FITZGERALD MGB V8 10/06/2007 1.40.1616
MGF ROBERT D'ERCOLE MGF 160 TROPHY 13/04/2003 2.00.4539
PORSCHE D/CHALLENGE BRYCE WASHINGTON PORSCHE GT3 21/08/2005 1.37.4727
CARRERA CUP CRAIG BAIRD PORSCHE GT3 997 13/09/2008 1.35.1024
PORSCHE 944 JUSTIN TATE PORSCHE 944 2/09/2007 1.51.0708
SUPERKARTS
100cc NGB JUNIOR DEAN CROOKE 26/03/2000 2.07.3000
100cc SENIOR ROD CLARKE 15/09/2002 2.10.9000
125cc MAX LIGHT JASON McINTYRE 15/09/2002 1.57.2420
125cc MAX HEAVY MARK WICKS 17/02/2007 1.59.6850
125cc MAX JUNIOR SEAN WHITFIELD 12/10/2007 2.02.4000
125cc GEARBOX RUSSELL JAMIESON 6/05/2007 1.42.7163
80cc JUNIOR PETER GAZZALON 21/02/2004 2.13.0000
80cc SENIOR TROY BYRON 28/03/1999 1.51.6000
125cc STEVE CROSSLAND 18/03/2001 1.43.0000
250cc NATIONAL DAVID HOLDFORTH 28/03/1999 1.37.7000

http://www.phillipislandcircuit.com....ember_2008.pdf

**Falcon Coupe** · 09-10-2008, 07:33 PM

Having done hundreds of laps around the Island myself, i was thinking those times were somewhat optimistic.

flappist · 09-10-2008, 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugget378

Looking at the lap records,all I can say is hmmmm..
Christ they must be good,can beat open wheelers and all,no wonder its like the second coming of christ to the fanboy's..

PHILLIP ISLAND GRAND PRIX CIRCUIT LAP RECORDS
CATEGORY/CLASS DRIVER CAR DATE LAP TIME
OUTRIGHT SIMON WILLS REYNARD 94D 13/02/2000 1.24.2215
FORMULA 4000 SIMON WILLS REYNARD 94D 13/02/2000 1.24.2215
FORMULA 3 LEANNE TANDER DALLARA F307 MB 15/06/2008 1.26.9031
FORMULA FORD 1600 TYLER MECKLEM VAN DIEMAN RF91 16/05/1999 1.40.1079
FORMULA FORD NICK PERCAT MYGALE SJO7A 14/06/2008 1.38.5248
FORMULA VEE 1200 DANIEL REINHARDT ELFIN 4/09/2005 1.56.8004
FORMULA VEE 1600 TIM HAMILTON JACER F2K7 15/06/2008 1.52.9995
V8 SUPERCARS CRAIG LOWNDES COMMODORE VT 16/05/1999 1.33.4389
SUPER TOURING GEOFF BRABHAM BMW 320i 1/06/1997 1.37.1706
NATIONS CUP/ GT PAUL STOKELL LAMBORGHINI DIABLO 10/08/2003 1.34.1058
GT PERFORMANCE JAMES PHILLIP FALCON BF FPV GT 19/08/2006 1.45.2660
GT PRODUCTION/PCCA LEE CASTLES SUBARU WRX STI 15/06/2008 1.49.8475
IMPROVED PRODUCTION
A (OVER 3001cc) WARICK MASSEY MAZDA RX7 7/05/1995 1.46.5800
B (2001-3000cc) ROHAN AMBROSE MAZDA RX7 12/09/1999 1.46.0362
C (1601-2000cc) JOHN RANDALL DATSUN 1600 12/09/1999 1.50.3537
D (UNDER 1600cc) DAVID LOFTUS TOYOTA STARLET 24/11/2002 1.54.2041
HQ HOLDENS DAVID WOOD HOLDEN HQ 12/06/1999 2.01.6608
COMMODORE CUP MARCUS ZUKANOVIC COMMODORE Vs 20/05/2006 1.47.9135
SALOON CARS KRIS WALTON FALCON AU 19/08/2006 1.50.8138
MINI CHALLENGE PAUL STOKELL MINI 12/09/2008 1.44.1491
MIRAGE TROY HUNT MIRAGE 22/09/2002 1.53.0016
V8 UTES MARCUS ZUKANOVIC FALCON BF XR8 20/08/2006 1.51.9799
TOURING CAR MASTERS JOHN BOWE CHEV CAMARO 14/09/2008 1.45.8812
SPORTS SEDANS
A (OVER 4001-6000cc) DARREN HOSSACK AUDI A4 CHEV 15/06/2008 1.31.8615
B (3001-4000cc) LUKE YOULDEN MAZDA RX7 14/04/2002 1.34.8902
C (2001-3000cc) RICHARD CATCHLOVE MAZDA RX7 9/06/2002 1.39.8284
D (1301-2001cc) BRYCE PETER-BUDGE PEUGEOT 406 7/09/2003 1.42.7417
E (UNDER 1301cc) BARRY DEVLIN MINI COOPER S 12/06/1999 1.56.3401
SPORTS CARS
MARQUE SPORTS ALLAN SIMONSEN FERRARI 360 25/11/2006 1.34.6990
MG RACING MORT FITZGERALD MGB V8 10/06/2007 1.40.1616
MGF ROBERT D'ERCOLE MGF 160 TROPHY 13/04/2003 2.00.4539
PORSCHE D/CHALLENGE BRYCE WASHINGTON PORSCHE GT3 21/08/2005 1.37.4727
CARRERA CUP CRAIG BAIRD PORSCHE GT3 997 13/09/2008 1.35.1024
PORSCHE 944 JUSTIN TATE PORSCHE 944 2/09/2007 1.51.0708
SUPERKARTS
100cc NGB JUNIOR DEAN CROOKE 26/03/2000 2.07.3000
100cc SENIOR ROD CLARKE 15/09/2002 2.10.9000
125cc MAX LIGHT JASON McINTYRE 15/09/2002 1.57.2420
125cc MAX HEAVY MARK WICKS 17/02/2007 1.59.6850
125cc MAX JUNIOR SEAN WHITFIELD 12/10/2007 2.02.4000
125cc GEARBOX RUSSELL JAMIESON 6/05/2007 1.42.7163
80cc JUNIOR PETER GAZZALON 21/02/2004 2.13.0000
80cc SENIOR TROY BYRON 28/03/1999 1.51.6000
125cc STEVE CROSSLAND 18/03/2001 1.43.0000
250cc NATIONAL DAVID HOLDFORTH 28/03/1999 1.37.7000

http://www.phillipislandcircuit.com....ember_2008.pdf

Shame they (the other forum) were talking about Mallala not Phillip Island.

Or maybe there is a flux capacitor option on the new R35.....

nugget378 · 09-10-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Shame they (the other forum) were talking about Mallala not Phillip Island.

Or maybe there is a flux capacitor option on the new R35.....

I dont know what forum you mean,I can only go off what was posted here..

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rev28K

There was meant to be a track day with a few exotics (including an R35 GTR) at Phillips Island recently.

flappist · 09-10-2008, 07:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugget378

I dont know what forum you mean,I can only go off what was posted here..

Yes I know. Rev was quoting off another forum and had a link to it. He mistakenly called it Phillip Island not Mallala hence why the times were impossible.

mcnews · 09-10-2008, 07:52 PM

Mallala. That's a fair different kettle of fish to the Island, lol. Massive braking loads into the Northern Hairpin and some real micky mouse stuff in the second half of the circuit.

nugget378 · 09-10-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Yes I know. Rev was quoting off another forum and had a link to it. He mistakenly called it Phillip Island not Mallala hence why the times were impossible.

Cool,obviously I didnt read the link.
Those times are alot more beleivable,but no where near faster than a V8 supercar as claimed.

LAP RECORDS

Class Name (Car) Time Date OUTRIGHT Formula Holden Paul Stokell (Birrana Reynard)

01:02.6

7/08/1994

BIKES 125 GP Brett Simmonds (Honda RS)

01:12.2

5/6/2005

125CC Brian Stockman (Stockman Honda RS)

01:11.5

19/09/1999

250 PROD Russell Holland (Aprilia RS)

01:14.3

29/07/2001

250GP Shaun Geronimi (Yamaha TZ)

01:09.3

15/10/2000

SUPERBIKE Matt Mladin (Kawasaki)

01:07.8

19/11/1995

CARS V8 Supercars Greg Murphy (Commodore)

01:08.1

13/07/1997

Super Touring Brad Jones (Audi)

01:10.3

19/07/1998

2nd Category Group 2C
Clubman Sports 1300 Keith Williamson (Farrell)

01:14.8

27/05/2001

Commodore Cup Marcus Zukanovic (Commodore)

01:19.7

12/11/2000

Formula Three James Manderson (Dallara 396)

01:06.4

9/07/2000

Formula Ford Will Power (Van Diemen RF94)

01:12.1

12/08/2001

Formula Holden Paul Stokell (Birrana Reynard)

01:02.6

7/08/1994

Australian Formula Two Barry Ward (REYNARD 893)

01:07.3

Formula Vee Frank Haire (Elliott Mk III)

01:23.6

15/08/1999

Series Production Cars Terry Lewis (HOLDEN COMMODORE)

01:23.8

HQ Holdens Daid Lines (HQ Holden)

01:26.8

15/08/1999

Improved Production Adam Allan (Datsun)

01:16.2

22/08/1998

A Vito Mitolo (FORD FALCON)

01:18.1

B Greg Mildren (MAXDA RX7)

01:17.6

C Peter Hall (DATSUN 510)

01:22.1

D Rob Hankinson (DATSUN 510)

01:25.1

Mirage Series Paul Morris (Mitsubishi Mirage)

01:21.9

12/11/2000

Outright Paul Stokel (Birrana Reynard 90D)

01:02.6

7/08/1994

Porsche Cup Cars Matt Coleman (Porsche GT3)

01:11.8

4/08/2002

Saloon Cars Bruce Heinrich (EA Falcon)

01:20.6

29/06/2002

Sports A Rick Bertschinger (BORAL FORD)

01:09.0

B Jim Doig (MOTORLAB ASP)

01:12.6

C Jim Doig (MOTORLAB ASP)

01:14.6

Sports Sedans Tony Ricciardello (Wa) (Alfa Romeo)

01:07.3

23/08/1998

Ssports Kevin Curtain (Yamaha YZF R6)

01:09.9

23/05/1999

KARTS 100HEAVY Luke May (CRG Yamaha KT)

01:26.4

19/09/1999

100LIGHT Rod Prickett (DAP Yamaha KT)

01:24.1

19/09/1999

125LIGHT Ralk Ruprecht (EXCEL YAMAHA)

01:25.5

27/09/1998

250 INT Brian Stockman (Stockman MR2/Honda)

01:05.8

18/09/1999

250 NAT David Holdforth (ADE Rotax)

01:10.7

19/09/1999

80CC Sharyn Battle (PRD Yamaha YZ)

01:16.7

19/09/1999

SUPER TRUCKS SBR John Falk (Isuzu SBR)

01:31.9

15/08/1999

SUPER Mike Russell (White GMC)

01:26.5

29/04/2001

Tiapan · 09-10-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

This GTR thing is rapidly turning into what appears to be a one lap wonder.....
Early signs are it'll be more fragile than a T series owner's ego... (joking ok!)

Thanks for the sig ROFLMAO!!!!!!

Tiapan · 09-10-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by loltastic

Go buy a new anything, and do redline clutch dumps 3 times a day for the next 3 weeks and see how your driveline goes.

pffffft, my new engine/box/diff with a standard tailshaft did much, much worse then that, and continues to do so, no problem, and i paid $20,000!
if i paid $150,000 i would expect it to last longer and go harder then an engine, gearbox and diff designed 30years ago with only $20k invested, surely it sounded stupid whilst you were typing it, didnt it?

loltastic · 09-10-2008, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tiapan

pffffft, my new engine/box/diff with a standard tailshaft did much, much worse then that, and continues to do so, no problem, and i paid $20,000!
if i paid $150,000 i would expect it to last longer and go harder then an engine, gearbox and diff designed 30years ago with only $20k invested, surely it sounded stupid whilst you were typing it, didnt it?

A car that has more than 30hp. I'm not talking about some heap of crap that was made when Bob Hawke was a teenager.

schnoods · 09-10-2008, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loltastic

A car that has more than 30hp. I'm not talking about some heap of crap that was made when Bob Hawke was a teenager.

His car is over half a second quicker over 400metres than the New GTR.

All honesty Im glad that Porsche is challenging the times. I guess they dont mind handing the crown over, but to be humiliated by a car that did it in a time that isnt physically possible in an off the shelf model is fair enough.

25 seconds is a little bit more than a set of tyres.

mik · 09-10-2008, 11:51 PM

it would`nt surprise me if the nissan gtr was that good, they have a lot of sales from hero car worship and have a lot of money tied up in these sports cars, does anyone remember how the nissan got the godzilla tag? it was`nt by being last.

loltastic · 10-10-2008, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by schnoods

His car is over half a second quicker over 400metres than the New GTR.

All honesty Im glad that Porsche is challenging the times. I guess they dont mind handing the crown over, but to be humiliated by a car that did it in a time that isnt physically possible in an off the shelf model is fair enough.

25 seconds is a little bit more than a set of tyres.

I could get a Datsun 120Y and put a chook cooker in it for probably less than 5 grand and run 10's, so what? It's still an old heap of crap.

Rev28K · 10-10-2008, 08:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes I know. Rev was quoting off another forum and had a link to it. He mistakenly called it Phillip Island not Mallala hence why the times were impossible.

Well spotted. My face is now very, very red. The sheds look similar to PI

Sorry for the misleading info - I should've looked at the track map on the data trace and the track entry is very different.

Bows to apologise....

Bad Bird · 10-10-2008, 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loltastic

It's still an old heap of crap.

As opposed to what? A new heap of crap?

4Vman · 10-10-2008, 08:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bad Bird

As opposed to what? A new heap of crap?

Well they are both nissans...

nugget378 · 10-10-2008, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loltastic

I could get a Datsun 120Y and put a chook cooker in it for probably less than 5 grand and run 10's, so what? It's still an old heap of crap.

Wake up to your self,
For one thing bens car is way faster than this nissan,and what makes it all the more so is that its around 100kg heavier,and is 20 years old without a multi million dollar developement budget,

Whats more you wont put anything into anything,its as easy as lolllzzzz to say it,but not so easy to do...

loltastic · 10-10-2008, 09:43 AM

An old crap Ford isn't a good car mate, not to me. Maybe to you, but not me.

The point made initially, before you all got lost in protecting your infallable Fords, was that any car will break after constant abuse on the drivetrain. I don't care if some million year old Ford with a rattly interior and square tyres doesn't break something, I'm talking about new cars you can actually buy. Go redline clutch dump your new F6 3 times a day for the next 2 weeks and see how your clutch goes. That's my point.

flappist · 10-10-2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nugget378

Wake up to your self,
For one thing bens car is way faster than this nissan,and what makes it all the more so is that its around 100kg heavier,and is 20 years old without a multi million dollar developement budget,

Whats more you wont put anything into anything,its as easy as lolllzzzz to say it,but not so easy to do...

This going way off topic. The XD may be much faster in accelleration 0-400m but I wonder what its acceleration time from 250-300km/h is?
Or that maximum lateral G force it can generate?
Or 200km/h to 0 time?
How about lap time on any circuit track?

Some tracks and almost ALL roads have corners.

The ONLY Australian made motor vehicles that are remotely worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence and the GT3, GTR etc are the Joss, Elfin or some of the other esoterics.

Ford and Holden make very good sports saloons but they have about as much in common with the GT3/GTR as they do with a Kenworth or Toyota Landcruiser.

As far as the "Nissan fibbing" is concerned. They either are or are not. Time will tell and no amout of "expert opinion" from forum members, most of whom have never even seen a GTR or GT3 let alone driven one and the only Northern Ring experince thaey have is from Playstation will make any difference.

Personally, I was going to buy a GTR next year, now I am not so sure but rather than jump on a bandwagon of "anti-everything" moaners I will sit back and watch.

After all, BOSS 290s eat oil, F6s blow up clutches, ION 4 speeds fry, Dana diffs fry, Brembos go bezerk on utes, LS1s eat oil, LS1s blow up........

Oh hang on, all those problems were sorted after a short time weren't they?

nugget378 · 10-10-2008, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flappist

This going way off topic. The XD may be much faster in accelleration 0-400m but I wonder what its acceleration time from 250-300km/h is?
Or that maximum lateral G force it can generate?
Or 200km/h to 0 time?
How about lap time on any circuit track?

Some tracks and almost ALL roads have corners.

The ONLY Australian made motor vehicles that are remotely worthy of being mentioned in the same sentence and the GT3, GTR etc are the Joss, Elfin or some of the other esoterics.

Ford and Holden make very good sports saloons but they have about as much in common with the GT3/GTR as they do with a Kenworth or Toyota Landcruiser.

As far as the "Nissan fibbing" is concerned. They either are or are not. Time will tell and no amout of "expert opinion" from forum members, most of whom have never even seen a GTR or GT3 let alone driven one and the only Northern Ring experince thaey have is from Playstation will make any difference.

Personally, I was going to buy a GTR next year, now I am not so sure but rather than jump on a bandwagon of "anti-everything" moaners I will sit back and watch.

After all, BOSS 290s eat oil, F6s blow up clutches, ION 4 speeds fry, Dana diffs fry, Brembos go bezerk on utes, LS1s eat oil, LS1s blow up........

Oh hang on, all those problems were sorted after a short time weren't they?

Yes yes,but when some little rice boy,who dreams of blow off valves while he is having his coco pops calls someones pride and joy crap I will defend it..
Besides,some may only care about straight line acelleration.
I wont buy anyting turbo personally,a car made for track work in any case,they just keep getting slower as the day goes on..