The Greatest Fast Fords 1963 - 2009 - Page 2

xbgs351 · 27-11-2008, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by MADRod

You guys are bit out of date the development of the Cosworth YB (Fitted to Sierra & Escort Cossies) still continues, poor old Dick had a max of 580bhp for qualifying ( he claimed 600bhp) & 540 in race trim. My own YB made 793bhp/644ft-lb (42psi-GT40) on its last dyno run & a new engine due on the Dyno within 2 weeks will see the far side of 850bhp (42PSI-gt42) all from 2.15 litres.
With Direct Port Nitrous (200 shot) we will see 1000bhp+. This is in a fully trimmed road car used on the streets. 200mph within a mile, so dont dismiss these pommy machines lads because you have nothing like it on that great big island of yours

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Methinks it wouldn't last 1000 km either.

Rev28K · 27-11-2008, 12:27 PM

Have a look for the RS200 evolution that THE Stig (not some lame Top Gear pretender) was driving at Pikes Peak in 2004.
900hp makes for a quick grandfather (prop rebuilt after every event)

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=S1pwDgdKYsk

4Vman · 27-11-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

Methinks it wouldn't last 1000 km either.

i think 1K might be a challenge... "KABOOM"

GT0132 · 27-11-2008, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RAREV8

Nope, last production V8 Ford was the Pilot which finished back in the early '50's I believe.
GT40's were derived from the Lola's which the Seppo's never seem to remember, hence trying to claim the GT40 all to themselves!

Petrol crisis etc meant that there was no real market for "cheap" large cars such as Ford, Vauxhall etc. Engines rarely exceeded 3 litres in these manfacturers.
There are and always have been plenty of luxury large vehicles in the UK such as Jag, Daimler, Range Rover,Jensen,Bristol, TVR, Bentley, RR etc for those who could afford not to care about the price of petrol.

Didn't the Mk4 Zephyr/Zodiac have a V8 option ? ...Built from 1966 to 1971

Rev28K · 27-11-2008, 05:57 PM

Drawing a long bow wouldn’t the 1985ish South African built XR8 Sierra qualify as well

outback_ute · 27-11-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ozmale42

Didn't the Mk4 Zephyr/Zodiac have a V8 option ? ...Built from 1966 to 1971

No as far as I know, biggest engine was the 3L V6.

Interesting thread though, not sure how they put the new Focus RS at the top of the tree when it hasn't been released yet... There are lots of US and Aussie Fords that would push most of the 11-20 listed cars out of that list in a heartbeat, most of the top 10 you can't argue with IMO.

ehast, can you tell us any more about the XT racing in the UK?

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Originally Posted by ehast13

I'm surprised the xt gt isn't in there. There were a few sold over there and they spanked the smaller fords quite a bit in the occasional rally. The London to Sydney Marathon was a fine showing too. In production cup the xt gt wiped the floor in the two or three races it entered (til it was banned becasue there weren't enough sold in UK). pfft

MADRod · 28-11-2008, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xbgs351

Methinks it wouldn't last 1000 km either.

about 20k before a refresh of course thats on the street with a few competitions thrown in, dont use the Nitrous on the street.
Actually an engine of mine which first took the rwd Topspeed record back in 2002 did 27k before a rebuild & that included 20 -1.5 mile Topspeed runs.
My car has big Power for a street cat but is nowhere near the Power thats found in YB drag engines, they go down to 1.8 litres rev it to 10k + & I believe the best is around 1070bhp by Fenspeed in Scandinavia off Nitrous, mine makes only 800 but has is full 2.7bar of boost by 4.3k.

RAREV8 · 28-11-2008, 04:47 PM

[QUOTE=ozmale42]Didn't the Mk4 Zephyr/Zodiac have a V8 option ? ...Built from 1966 to 1971[/QUOTE

Unfortunately not- the Essex V6 3l was the biggest donk used- it was then replaced by the German built Cologne 2.8l V6 in the eighties. The Essex v6 was 3.1l at biggest in the RS3100 capris- there is a lovely blue one that gets around Northern Sydney too...mmmmm

It would be foolish to dismiss "Pommy 4cyl" cars as all crap- many of the Fords have a much bigger worldwide racing pedigree than any of the Aussie V8's- i am not berating them as everyone knows I am a huge fan of the Aussie V8's but their market penetration was so much bigger resulting in huge rally scores. It is the application that matters- no point in comparing apples and pears.
If you have had the pleasure of driving a rear wheel drive Esky on dirt tracks, you will know what I mean! A standard v8 wouldnt stand a chance of keeping up.

MADRod · 10-12-2008, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by fpv84d

Do the poms even have a V8 ford? seems not those poor buggers don't know what their missing no stangs no falc's probably only 6gt 40's in all the country go to feel sorry for them

Dont feel sorry for us pal we only need 4cylinders & 2litres to produce Power to worry the very fastest of Supercars this engine produces a Ford saloon that can out acclerate a Veyron to 200mph.

axeray · 10-12-2008, 10:52 AM

Any chance of our own online poll?

Bossxr8 · 11-12-2008, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by MADRod

Dont feel sorry for us pal we only need 4cylinders & 2litres to produce Power to worry the very fastest of Supercars this engine produces a Ford saloon that can out acclerate a Veyron to 200mph.

And looks like it makes nothing below 4000rpm, so its useless on the street. I'd assume you'd hit the throttle and wait 20 seconds for the boost to come on before all hell breaks loose?

Jimmyd · 23-01-2009, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And looks like it makes nothing below 4000rpm, so its useless on the street. I'd assume you'd hit the throttle and wait 20 seconds for the boost to come on before all hell breaks loose?

Yeah, only 150HP at 2500 and pretty flat to 180hp at 4000 before the turbo really kicks in - poor bugg#r, it must be terrible having only 150-180hp to play with while waiting for that turbo to spool up........

burnz · 23-01-2009, 02:21 PM

how in hell does a sierra beat a gt40
and #2 "If our top fast Fords were picked on visual impact alone, then the Escort RS Cosworth would be a clear winner".
i think their performance and style is in the perverbial.

wakeup pommy land.

MADRod · 10-03-2009, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

And looks like it makes nothing below 4000rpm, so its useless on the street. I'd assume you'd hit the throttle and wait 20 seconds for the boost to come on before all hell breaks loose?

60-100 in 2.7secs says your wrong pal, the car has a device called a gearbox.
0-100 6.9, 0-150 12.6, 0-180 17.8, those times aint bad when you consider im apparently waiting 20secs to get going. MUPPETS !!!.

cosmo20btt · 10-03-2009, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by OZQUAD44

V8s are a formula, and so was group A. I think the Serria's did alright for themselfs. Could they go quicker, sure! All alloy block V8 twin turbo Four wheel drive, active aero package. etc..etc... sure they could go faster. But then again so could a V8 suprecar.

I am pretty sure the sierra cosworth were a decompressed 4 cylinder single turbo am i right?

Bad Bird · 10-03-2009, 08:57 PM

How much does your car make on pump fuel?

ehast13 · 10-03-2009, 09:17 PM

My 6 cylinder Xc makes 46kw at the wheels on lpg.

Jealous?

Bossxr8 · 14-03-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MADRod

60-100 in 2.7secs says your wrong pal, the car has a device called a gearbox.
0-100 6.9, 0-150 12.6, 0-180 17.8, those times aint bad when you consider im apparently waiting 20secs to get going. MUPPETS !!!.

Whats the 0-60 time though, I bet its pretty damn slow. No boost = no go.

I never said it wasn't quick once on boost.

Bushbasher · 14-03-2009, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimmyd

Yeah, only 150HP at 2500 and pretty flat to 180hp at 4000 before the turbo really kicks in - poor bugg#r, it must be terrible having only 150-180hp to play with while waiting for that turbo to spool up........

Have another look at that graph and you'll find the figure you are quoting is for the torque not HP. At 2500rpm it's making all of about 70hp rising to about 120hp at 3500rpm and 180hp by 4100rpm when the turbo wakes up. At sane velocities and in traffic it'd still be out accelerated by a well tuned Corolla or Getz to 60-80kph.

Bushbasher

OZQUAD44 · 15-03-2009, 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by MADRod

60-100 in 2.7secs says your wrong pal, the car has a device called a gearbox.
0-100 6.9, 0-150 12.6, 0-180 17.8, those times aint bad when you consider im apparently waiting 20secs to get going. MUPPETS !!!.

I'm not trying to be silly here, although It probably sounds like it, but are those figures based on MPH or KPH?

OZQUAD44 · 15-03-2009, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by cosmo20btt

I am pretty sure the sierra cosworth were a decompressed 4 cylinder single turbo am i right?

Yes mate you are right.

My point was, without any restrictions you can make anything go fast.

But I suppose these things can get lost in translation can't they!

UKXR8 · 15-03-2009, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RSgerry

i agree, a lot of those cars listed are poor choices, but these were the cars that were offered for sale as they suit that market. small roads, no parking spaces and an infrastructure that simply wouldnt cope with cars as big as ours. the infrastructure is failing badly as it is. fuel prices and the cost of insurance (compulsory in the UK) has also had an influence on the sorts of cars they buy. there is no way 90% of the population could afford to insure something like an XR8, let alone put petrol in it. to top it off, would you like to splash out on a new GT and have to leave it parked on the side of the road, exposed to the weather and vandals and assoorted scum?

Steady on old boy!!

I'm running an AU2 XR8 as my daily driver over here in the UK.
Insurance is £240 ($511 to you) per annum, petrol is a little pricey but not exactly a deal stopper. She is a lot cheaper to run than my old 3 door cossie was as well.
I didn't notice any crumbling infrastructure as I drove into town this morning, where I managed to squeeze it into a parking space just vacated by a teeny range rover...
The car is normally parked in the garage but when left outside she has yet to be attacked by vandals or assoorted scum!!!!

Now, where did I leave my warm beer, slippers and pipe.....

gcg2503 · 15-03-2009, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by MADRod

60-100 in 2.7secs says your wrong pal, the car has a device called a gearbox.
0-100 6.9, 0-150 12.6, 0-180 17.8, those times aint bad when you consider im apparently waiting 20secs to get going. MUPPETS !!!.

Take it easy with the insults mate

No need for the Muppets call

Looking at your dyno chart you can see his point.............

OZQUAD44 · 15-03-2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by UKXR8

Steady on old boy!!

I'm running an AU2 XR8 as my daily driver over here in the UK.

Now, where did I leave my warm beer, slippers and pipe.....

UKXR8, wow I didn't even know that there ware falcons running around in the UK let alone XR8s.

Did you import it? Do you ever see any others on the roads over there? What about later models BA to FG's? So does it blend into the crowd? You must get some looks, Ahh so many questions, so little time.

**Falcon Coupe** · 15-03-2009, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by OZQUAD44

UKXR8, wow I didn't even know that there ware falcons running around in the UK let alone XR8s.

Did you import it? Do you ever see any others on the roads over there? What about later models BA to FG's? So does it blend into the crowd? You must get some looks, Ahh so many questions, so little time.

http://fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11241941

**DJR-351** · 15-03-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OZQUAD44

UKXR8, wow I didn't even know that there ware falcons running around in the UK let alone XR8s.

Did you import it? Do you ever see any others on the roads over there? What about later models BA to FG's? So does it blend into the crowd? You must get some looks, Ahh so many questions, so little time.

Nothing new about Aussie Fords (and Holdens) in the UK and Europe, growing up as a kid their in the early 60s to late 70s i can recall an XW GT, XY Wagon, XB Sedan and a HQ 2 door Monaro, and im pretty sure i saw P5 Fairlane once, but at the time i thought it was a Yank Tank.

Look here... http://www.aus-ford-uk.co.uk/index.html

**DJR-351** · 15-03-2009, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by XA351COUPE

Nothing new about Aussie Fords (and Holdens) in the UK and Europe, growing up as a kid their in the early 60s to late 70s i can recall an XW GT, XY Wagon, XB Sedan and a HQ 2 door Monaro, and im pretty sure i saw P5 Fairlane once, but at the time i thought it was a Yank Tank.

Look here... http://www.aus-ford-uk.co.uk/index.html

Sorry, my mistake, P5 LTD......

robjh80 · 15-03-2009, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by XA351COUPE

Nothing new about Aussie Fords (and Holdens) in the UK and Europe

I remember my uncle buying a brand new Valiant Charger off the showroom floor in the UK in the mid 70's, bright Orange it was, the top of the range sporty one, was it called an RT or something?

It certainly turned heads back in those days, I remember sitting in the back of this thing when I was a kid with my cousin looking out the window, I remember clearly how everyone just stared at it .... quite a standout car for the day, rather noisy as well if I remember correctly, big V8 thing.

There are loads of American Muscle cars in the Uk and quite a few Aussie ones as well.

Here's an 11 year old EL Falcon, over 100,000km for $5,500

http://www.pistonheads.co.uk/sales/922708.htm

RAREV8 · 15-03-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Whats the 0-60 time though, I bet its pretty damn slow. No boost = no go.

I never said it wasn't quick once on boost.

......As he already stated in that post, 0-100 in 6.9.

If it wasn't engineered for top speed, it would be considerably quicker I suspect!

Guys, there are a lot of silly comments getting made here by people who don't actually know what they are talking about, some comments seem to be just hanging the proverbial on others with little to back up their statements.
Personally, i think we should be encouraging people to join from overseas so that you might be able to learn a bit of what goes on over there in the auto world..... a lot more than many here seem to think I suspect.

**DJR-351** · 15-03-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RAREV8

......As he already stated in that post, 0-100 in 6.9.

If it wasn't engineered for top speed, it would be considerably quicker I suspect!

Guys, there are a lot of silly comments getting made here by people who don't actually know what they are talking about, some comments seem to be just hanging the proverbial on others with little to back up their statements.
Personally, i think we should be encouraging people to join from overseas so that you might be able to learn a bit of what goes on over there in the auto world..... a lot more than many here seem to think I suspect.

^^^With you 100%^^^