New HSV supercar confirmed as W427 build reduced - Page 2

AWD Chaser · 17-12-2008, 07:01 PM

One guy bought 2???? What a tool.... Or maybe he's smart - when one breaks, he just goes into his garage and swaps over the broken part... lol.

I don' think HSV really need another super car. Just take a look at the power increase over the years - a 2002 VY series 1 HSV R8 - 260Kw, a 2008 VE Series 1 HSV R8 - 317Kw - Thats a boost of 57Kw in 6 Years. Judging by that, the 2014 HSV should have about ... do the maths... carry the one... Would you look at that - 374Kw - about the same as the W427.

But if that was the case, what would the new HSV Super car be achiving?

ea90gl · 17-12-2008, 07:06 PM

lol imagine sitting there with your all "exclusive" W427 in 20 years, got the grandkids eyeing it out just like you hoped for 20 years earlier. Feeling all proud your car lasted so long because you have maintained it and looked after it like it was one of your children. Thinking how great it is because it was one of the greatest Aussie cars of all time. Then one of the kids asked "hey pops why'd they stop making them" to which you reply some crap like "Well they were so fast they we're banned" but really deep down you know it was becuase they didn't sell and it was basically a flop

gtfpv · 17-12-2008, 07:27 PM

i cant help wondering . ( and i hope it doesnt) go the way of the GT 40TH LIMITED EDITION, now selling at around 35K.

I wonder what is going to replace the W427.

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ea90gl

lol imagine sitting there with your all "exclusive" W427 in 20 years, got the grandkids eyeing it out just like you hoped for 20 years earlier. Feeling all proud your car lasted so long because you have maintained it and looked after it like it was one of your children. Thinking how great it is because it was one of the greatest Aussie cars of all time. Then one of the kids asked "hey pops why'd they stop making them" to which you reply some crap like "Well they were so fast they we're banned" but really deep down you know it was becuase they didn't sell and it was basically a flop

They struggled to sell all 300 Phase 3's too in 1971.....

I will concede though the W427 will never win Bathurst or have any racing pedigree...

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i cant help wondering . ( and i hope it doesnt) go the way of the GT 40TH LIMITED EDITION, now selling at around 35K.

I wonder what is going to replace the W427.

There has been a next generation version on the drawing boards since the W427 went on sale... they're just admitting it now.
Last time i heard it will be a "less exotic" version.. that may have changed but i doubt it.

T3ts50 · 17-12-2008, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

There has been a next generation version on the drawing boards since the W427 went on sale... they're just admitting it now.
Last time i heard it will be a "less exotic" version.. that may have changed but i doubt it.

GTS-R maybe?

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by T3ts50

GTS-R maybe?

That would fit the theme..

b2tf · 17-12-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

They struggled to sell all 300 Phase 3's too in 1971.....

I will concede though the W427 will never win Bathurst or have any racing pedigree...

I dont think that would be as high on the "must haves" list as it used to be....

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

I dont think that would be as high on the "must haves" list as it used to be....

I Don't agree, motorsport pedigree has been the sole criteria for top end "collectability" of cars in Australia since day 1.

Nothing has changed, its still the top box to tick today, if that changes in 20 years time i don't know, realistically we no longer race our road cars so the available models for collectors isn't getting any larger, but as it stands today there are no signs of that selection criteria really changing.
Like i said though.... in 20 or 30 years i don't know how we will view todays cars compared to how we currently view the older Bathurst specials....

vztrt · 17-12-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I also don't think 200 units would be enough to entice FPV into the ring....

Not when a sticker pack will do the same thing.

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Not when a sticker pack will do the same thing.

FPV probably made as much profit from the Cobra or 40th as HSV made from the W427.....

gtfpv · 17-12-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I Don't agree, motorsport pedigree has been the sole criteria for top end "collectability" of cars in Australia since day 1.

Nothing has changed, its still the top box to tick today, if that changes in 20 years time i don't know, realistically we no longer race our road cars so the available models for collectors isn't getting any larger, but as it stands today there are no signs of that selection criteria really changing.
Like i said though.... in 20 or 30 years i don't know how we will view todays cars compared to how we currently view the older Bathurst specials....

I'LL 2ND THAT TO THE LETTER.

EgoFG · 17-12-2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i cant help wondering . ( and i hope it doesnt) go the way of the GT 40TH LIMITED EDITION, now selling at around 35K.

I wonder what is going to replace the W427.

In the next 10 years - we cannot even imagine

Falc'man · 17-12-2008, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by gtfpv

i cant help wondering . ( and i hope it doesnt) go the way of the GT 40TH LIMITED EDITION, now selling at around 35K.

Where on earth will you find a 40th LE for 35k??? Maybe one with about 250,000km on the odo. A normal BF GT with lowish km is worth more than 40k.

4vman is right, they should have shut up about the quantity.

Airmon · 17-12-2008, 09:09 PM

Just as the new 7.4lt Crate motor becomes available and after someone already did the R&D to fit it in a Commodore. Buy the motor, 'borrow' the idea and bang, new model with a bigger motor, a bigger number, and a bigger price.

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 09:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Airmon

Just as the new 7.4lt Crate motor becomes available and after someone already did the R&D to fit it in a Commodore. Buy the motor, 'borrow' the idea and bang, new model with a bigger motor, a bigger number, and a bigger price.

I don't follow, what do you mean?

crYnOid · 17-12-2008, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

The next one will have the LSA or LS9.....

And good on em for at least trying. At least they can put new wheels on a car unlike the rubbish we have to deal with from FPV - sticker pack specialists.

LS9 is corvette only. LSA is only for the caddy chassis. The Holden chassis version of this engine is supposed to be the LS8, which is a slightly cut down LSA. About 520hp....

FPV+fteT3 · 17-12-2008, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Airmon

Just as the new 7.4lt Crate motor becomes available and after someone already did the R&D to fit it in a Commodore. Buy the motor, 'borrow' the idea and bang, new model with a bigger motor, a bigger number, and a bigger price.

Describing the 2010 model SS commo to a T

Buzz Box · 17-12-2008, 09:52 PM

Its worth it purely on a marketing side.

Think how many magazine covers its been on and we are still talking about it and everything else how much would it normally cost to get on those covers etc

So even if it lost $2M thats proberly what the publicity is worth so its breakeven and like people are saying if they costed it on 200 cars and they sell 200 well then in theory its made a profit because they got X amount of marketing for free.

Make sense?

Airmon · 17-12-2008, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I don't follow, what do you mean?

An American tuning company, an arm of GM I think, can't remember, put Chevs new 7.4lt crate motor into the G8 in the states. All HSV have to do is borrow the techniques used in the Concept car, ship the motor in and they have a new hero car.

burnz · 17-12-2008, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Airmon

An American tuning company, an arm of GM I think, can't remember, put Chevs new 7.4lt crate motor into the G8 in the states. All HSV have to do is borrow the techniques used in the Concept car, ship the motor in and they have a new hero car.

they are all small block's, LS2 will go 8.5ltr if you wish.
gm stopped making the big block's in the late 80's.

so their is zero development in fit and finnish.

**DJM83** · 17-12-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

They struggled to sell all 300 Phase 3's too in 1971.....

I will concede though the W427 will never win Bathurst or have any racing pedigree...

Worthless then eh?

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 10:24 PM

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Worthless then eh?

How so?

b2tf · 17-12-2008, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

I Don't agree, motorsport pedigree has been the sole criteria for top end "collectability" of cars in Australia since day 1.

Nothing has changed, its still the top box to tick today, if that changes in 20 years time i don't know, realistically we no longer race our road cars so the available models for collectors isn't getting any larger, but as it stands today there are no signs of that selection criteria really changing.
Like i said though.... in 20 or 30 years i don't know how we will view todays cars compared to how we currently view the older Bathurst specials....

Go and iron your flannie and have a winnie blue whilst sipping a VB.

Then bend over and get your prehistoric dinosaur head out of the sand. You and your "any car made post ADR27 that has never gone on a racetrack is crap" bull is really wearing thin.

I can name plenty of cars that Id love to have in my garage that have never even been close to a bloody racetrack and just because they dont meet your own personal standards, doesnt mean they dont meet other peoples.

Bloody flashlube - you're supposed to put it in the car, not drink it. That's about the only explanation I can think of for your posts.

Auslandau · 17-12-2008, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Go and iron your flannie and have a winnie blue whilst sipping a VB.

Then bend over and get your prehistoric dinosaur head out of the sand. You and your "any car made post ADR27 that has never gone on a racetrack is crap" bull is really wearing thin.

I can name plenty of cars that Id love to have in my garage that have never even been close to a bloody racetrack and just because they dont meet your own personal standards, doesnt mean they dont meet other peoples.

Bloody flashlube - you're supposed to put it in the car, not drink it. That's about the only explanation I can think of for your posts.

XA GT HO for one? Then there are quite a few Mustangs I wouldnt mind ...... for starters.

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4Vman · 17-12-2008, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Go and iron your flannie and have a winnie blue whilst sipping a VB.

Then bend over and get your prehistoric dinosaur head out of the sand. You and your "any car made post ADR27 that has never gone on a racetrack is crap" bull is really wearing thin.

I can name plenty of cars that Id love to have in my garage that have never even been close to a bloody racetrack and just because they dont meet your own personal standards, doesnt mean they dont meet other peoples.

Bloody flashlube - you're supposed to put it in the car, not drink it. That's about the only explanation I can think of for your posts.

Geeezzz..... before you go off on a hissy-fit tantrum have a read of what i wrote, its fact, prove me wrong, show me any australian buit car fetching 4,5,6 upto 20 times its original purchase price i.e blue chip premium collectable cars that don't have direct racing pedigree... its not my opinion its a fact.
That's not to say people don't want or like other models, im just pointing out they don't command the dollars and interest of the "bathurst specials"....
AGAIN... like i said, im not sure how todays cars will be viewed in 20 - 30 years like the current "bathurstld specials" are today...

b2tf · 17-12-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Geeezzz..... before you go off on a hissy-fit tantrum have a read of what i wrote, its fact, prove me wrong, show me any australian buit car fetching 5,6 upto 20 times its original purchase price i.e blue chip collectable cars that doesnt have direct racing pedigree... its not my opinion its a fact.
That's not to say peopele don't want or like other models, im just pointing out they don't command the dollars and interest of the "bathurst specials"....

You're not 'pointing out' anything. You're stamping your bloody foot down as per usual dictating to the rest of us how the world works according to 4vman.

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I Don't agree, motorsport pedigree has been the sole criteria for top end "collectability" of cars in Australia since day 1

You let me know when you start working in Shannons auction dept then I might listen to you, until then you are proving yourself to be a self-proclaimed authority on all things with wheels and it's getting very, very old.

4Vman · 17-12-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

You're not 'pointing out' anything. You're stamping your bloody foot down as per usual dictating to the rest of us how the world works according to 4vman.

You let me know when you start working in Shannons auction dept then I might listen to you, until then you are proving yourself to be a self-proclaimed authority on all things with wheels and it's getting very, very old.

Im not dictating anything, im sharing an opinion using readily available evidence...

ea90gl · 17-12-2008, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by b2tf

Go and iron your flannie and have a winnie blue whilst sipping a VB.

Then bend over and get your prehistoric dinosaur head out of the sand. You and your "any car made post ADR27 that has never gone on a racetrack is crap" bull is really wearing thin.

I can name plenty of cars that Id love to have in my garage that have never even been close to a bloody racetrack and just because they dont meet your own personal standards, doesnt mean they dont meet other peoples.

Bloody flashlube - you're supposed to put it in the car, not drink it. That's about the only explanation I can think of for your posts.

I have to agree with what 4Vman is on about yes you have your collectables that will gain value and collectabilty but without the racing history it will only come to a certain point much less than if the car did have that race cred behind it. Chuck in the race cred and the value/collectability shoots up. I believe this is the reason the E49 Charger would not go for how much/is as much sought after as any original PHASE 3 would go for/is. In regards to the W427 I don't take anything away from it but I believe it will never have the appeal/charm that any HK Monaro/Phase 3/A9x etc etc has 30 years down the track. I suppose this is a whole different topic but just my 2 cents

FPV+fteT3 · 17-12-2008, 10:50 PM

All the T series cars and FPV's are worthless going on what some people think but show me a prehistoric gt that goes stops and handles like a new performance vehicle they don't and thats a fact. The old gt's are worthless to todays 20y.o because they don't have a blow off valve so using that criteria jap puss is collectable.