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2.0 4 cyl with turbo and direct-injection on PULP | 106 | 30.55% | |
4.0 6 cyl with liquid injection LPG | 241 | 69.45% | |
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06-03-2011, 09:33 PM | #31 | ||
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For me, it's going to come down to cost of driving, i.e, fuel, and how it drives. The EB2.0 might be a better drive than the LILPG, or vice versa, but I won't know until both are released and my bottom has sat in the drivers seat for both of them.
Things like spare tyre and so forth also weighs on the decision, so we'll just have to wait and see. The decision can't be made until both cars are on sale at dealers.
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06-03-2011, 09:50 PM | #32 | ||
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Knowing how good the liquid injection is means its a no brainer for me.
CHeap to run and equal power to the petrol version.
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06-03-2011, 10:14 PM | #33 | ||
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The LPI Falcon will be a no-compromise solution. The tank will be hidden under the boot area and the spare wheel resides in the boot (but it is removable). Leave the spare at home, carry a pump and a can of tyre sealant, pay up your roadside assist, and say hello to cheap motoring without drawbacks.
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06-03-2011, 10:16 PM | #34 | ||
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2.0 4 cyl with turbo and direct-injection on PULP
My choice |
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06-03-2011, 10:23 PM | #35 | |||
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06-03-2011, 10:37 PM | #36 | |||
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I would rather a diesel straight six for some serious pulling power. |
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07-03-2011, 12:00 AM | #37 | ||
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I voted for LPG as I believe that it will be a big part of Australia's fuel future. But I would only get it if they fix the issue with the boot, I'm sorry but what Ford has currently done is BS and why I wouldn't buy one.
Also not having a spare in the car is not an option for me.
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07-03-2011, 12:46 AM | #38 | ||||
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07-03-2011, 01:28 AM | #39 | ||
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I'm not in the market for either, my next purchase will be the turbo 6 but my vote goes to the ecoboost 4.
Whilst I believe the lpg will be the more sensible solution there's something about the ecoboost that fascinated me, I can't help but believe it will be a big deal and am quite excited to test drive one.
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07-03-2011, 07:24 AM | #40 | ||
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EcoLPI will be more expensive option than Ecoboost and still has spare tyre in the middle of the boot.
EcoLPI will give around 12 l/100 klm while Ecoboost will give around 8 l/100 klm The fuel costs will be about the same but people buying Ecoboost will have no bothers with looking for LPG pumps, no 12 monthly gas inspections and no cab stigma. Last edited by jpd80; 07-03-2011 at 07:39 AM. |
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07-03-2011, 07:32 AM | #41 | |||
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12 month inspections? Don't know what you mean there. The only inspections you have are the 10 year ones. Unless you mean servicing the LPG system, but that will be a moot point on the LILPG as it would be part of the standard service routine on a factory system.
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07-03-2011, 07:41 AM | #42 | |||
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customers and i think Ford knows it too, so that's why they are going with both engines this time... The past sales rates are proof that private new car buyers do not buy E-Gas new, Ecoboost is here as an alternative to a good engine fuel that private new car buyers don't want.. If Ecoboost can get 6.5 l/100 km on the highway, people won't even look at gas... |
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07-03-2011, 08:38 AM | #43 | ||
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okay LPG (pre liquid inject) I personally have had much head trauma running this on later EFI model cars, it backfores through the intake blowing it to bits, on the EF I had the part that it would split was over a hundred dollars from the wreckers and one backfire would split it, due to this I got myself an XF utility (carby) and this just WORKS forever and doesn't backfire, A friend has a gas system on his BA futura with some "anti backfire setup" which perplexed me as the entire air intake pipework has been replaced with cast iron (lets see that blow up) and despite this gas system being the cats meow it STILL backfires and ruins his airfilter, needless to say my experience with LPG on EFI vehicles hasn't been good with any running cost savings being wiped out by repairs/parts
now 4 cylinder, no thanks if I want a turbo 4 cylinder I will go and get a subaru, I can't see this working in the falcon for anything other than fleets, so my choice is an older I6 falcon, B series thanks
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07-03-2011, 09:19 AM | #44 | ||
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4 cylinder for me.
Do not like LPG, never have never will. Weight saving of the ecoboost is a plus.
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07-03-2011, 12:24 PM | #45 | ||
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If I wanted a 4-cyl Ford I'd be happy with one of their other fine (Eurpoean-based) offerings. For a Falcon its nothing less than a 6-cylinder.
A four-cylinder Falcon? Don't tarnish the name .. at least call it a Cortina .. |
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07-03-2011, 03:45 PM | #46 | ||
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Are ford thinking their customers dont know whats under the hood? If they were too focused on economy wouldnt they have bought a camry during the last few years?
Offers falcon like space, reasonable performance and good economy. Or are we trying to bring over cardigan wearing camry buyers into a falcon? |
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07-03-2011, 05:06 PM | #47 | ||
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EcoBoost 2.0 Turbo:
Advantages: 1. Should definitely provide superior fuel economy to the I6, especially sitting at very low revs in Sydney traffic and idling... 2. Should be significantly lighter, I6 is about 190kg, I would expect a 2ltr all allow engine to cut that weight in ½, so even a 90KG weight saving should provide a massive improvement to handling and car balance as it will probably sit lower and deeper in the engine bay. 3. Should be significantly more refined that the I6 which is not the most quiet, smooth, vibration free engine. 4. Should provide great opportunity for cheap power upgrades, similar to an I6T. I think this will be a great alternative for people wanting a performance falcon with lower fuel consumption and cheaper entry price compared to an I6T. 5. Greener engine to run, would this make registration potentially cheaper in some states? Disadvantages: 1. Probably not as powerful or responsive in stock form compared to an I6. 2. Potentially more expensive than I6 completely offsetting the fuel economy advantage. 3. Could lead to upgradetitis due to being a turbo engine … Last edited by dimka100; 07-03-2011 at 05:14 PM. |
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07-03-2011, 05:13 PM | #48 | ||
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Liquid Injection I6:
Advantages: 1. Should definitely be significantly cheaper to run compared to petrol I6, gas costs a lot less … 2. Should be greener for the environment as gas burns much cleaner than petrol … Disadvantages: 1. Potentially still not as powerful or responsive compared to petrol I6 (especially 98 octane petrol). 2. Potentially loss of some boot space or spare tyre. 3. Potentially more expensive than petrol I6 completely offsetting the fuel savings advantage. 4. Potentially heavier due to the extra gas parts which might be installed by Ford due to some safety or whatever standards … 5. Resale value could become a major issue in the future due to the Taxi/Fleet perception … |
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07-03-2011, 05:42 PM | #49 | ||||
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07-03-2011, 05:47 PM | #50 | ||
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The one major risk with LPG is that the price is artificially low.
If it were taxed the same as other fuels there would be no advantage whatsoever and regardless of any of the political banter, as soon as they can tax it they will. We have the "tax party" in command under the defacto control of the "ban cars and we will all ride unicorns" partyette. Be afraid, be VERY afraid........ |
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07-03-2011, 08:49 PM | #51 | ||
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Some good responses and healthy debates. Keep it civil and all will be well.
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07-03-2011, 09:05 PM | #52 | |||
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I dont understand how the Ecoboost is better. Economically with LPG at 12L/100km. LPG is the equivalent of roughly 5l/100km on petrol financially... Significantly better than Ecoboost. |
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07-03-2011, 09:25 PM | #53 | ||
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Based on what we know, the ECOBoost engine has my vote. But I'm really not in the market for a large sedan and love a good four pot engine. The new Di-LPG sounds great from the rumors, but I don't know enough about it yet where the ECOBoost engine has a fair bit of buzz and info around thanks to US applications.
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07-03-2011, 09:44 PM | #54 | |||
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2)CO2 on a vehicle that averages 8 l/100 km is way better than LPG car with 12 l/100 km. 3) because of point 2 government fleets will be looking at I-4 Ecoboost ahead of I-6 LPG. |
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07-03-2011, 11:17 PM | #55 | |||
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The Ecoboost is the best option, I'd never touch an LPG, my opinion and you are all free to disagree with my pig headedness, is that it is a compromise, a fast burning, smelly, fuel which will always make any falcon look like a taxi with that red square on the plate. I don't get why people are so into it. The DI 4 is Direct Injection, Turbo and intercooled. With the same power and commodore beating performance and it runs (and runs economically) on REAL fuel, I am surprised to see so many here are not backing it, instead still flogging the I6 in LPG form like a dead horse with three legs... Private buyers will always choose Petrol or Diesel over LPG. Sorry, but it is just the way it is, unless you drive a pale yellow falcon with green checkerboard stickers draped over it. |
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07-03-2011, 11:57 PM | #56 | ||
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Personally I don’t get LPG either.. But hey, I don’t get Diesel either.. Petrol for me please!!
I’ve been considering selling my XR6T based on the fuel bill only.. LOVE it to piece, just drinks to much fuel. EcoBoost has my attention, but then I think, if I wait another 12 months after Falcon EcoBoost, I’ll be able to get the same engine in the Focus which might give me similar performance to my XR6T but at much lower fuel rate.. But I do like RWD too, just don’t know how I’ll go from XR6T to Ecoboost on performance wise.. Decisions, decisions |
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05-04-2011, 08:45 PM | #57 | ||
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Anybody want to change their vote now EcoLPi details have been released?
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05-04-2011, 09:02 PM | #58 | ||
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Easy choice, LPG... Shame they have no wagon to put it in! No sale...
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05-04-2011, 09:04 PM | #59 | ||
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I think the EB4 has potential to be a real world fuel sipper, so there's my vote...
Add in the 6T and Miami and fuel consumption would be the least of my worries! :P |
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05-04-2011, 09:08 PM | #60 | ||
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V8 for me please.
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