F6 or GT? What's your opinion

[onfire]

I own a Boss 260, I'm going with the V8.

F6 is a great car, as is any of the Falcon Turbo variants. But I enjoy the V8 more, the sound, the rumble, the look and the driving is great.

I said, when I owned an XR6 the only model I'd trade up for was a turbo version, one drive of the V8 and it changed that.

[f6mark]

thats easy mate.. GO THE F6..

[nomnomxr6]

Originally Posted by Rockape

Just get 1 of each

truee true!!

[Mr Hardware]

my opinion on the matter however, is that cars are personal. i've never driven either, so i don't know what i'd choose.

[FDCOOP]

Currently im driving an FG F6 (auto) as my daily and before that my daily was a BA mk2 GT-P (manual)

The F6 is just as they say stupid fast!!! and will hold it's own against most that you meet on the street.......... in stock trim! And we've seen what can happen when tuned, however.....

IMO the GT is the balls I loved driving it despite it being slower than the F6 it was more fun to put through corners and it loved being pushed, IMO the F6 has a s@&thouse suspension setup for the money you hand over to be an FPV owner the GT.....well the P anyway was excellent and I'm sure has only improved since my 05, now don't get me wrong I love the F6 it's a hoot to drive but you don't have the control of the motor that you have like in a V8, once you let off the gas on the F6 the boost goes and there is always a delay in getting it back on with turbo cars, I've grown to not like that it doesn't suit my driving, the V8 always has a consistent drive, and now that they finally have a GT with a blower the choice is obvious........Game Over!

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by flappist

Owned both, currently own neither.

Both are capable of performing above the skill set possessed by more than 95% of drivers.

On the drag strip or circuit both will get thrashed by someone who can drive in a $5000 track toad regardless of how much you spend on mods. They are road cars not race cars.

On the road both are capable of going as fast as you are game where ever you want to go.

Both can be as overt or as subtle are you want.

You can either buy the one YOU like or the one that OTHERS like, it just depends on who you are buying the car for and why.......

how is the new GT looking Flappy............

[TATT2]

F6 for me....

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

how is the new GT looking Flappy............

have you got yours yet ? must be getting close .

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

have you got yours yet ? must be getting close .

i catch and keep.. three is enough for me....

[mcouldrey]

Do you want fun or to tell people you own a v8. driven both, f6 is great fun, gt has a great sound. But for me, neither...both overpriced with poor resale value.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by mcouldrey

Do you want fun or to tell people you own a v8. driven both, f6 is great fun, gt has a great sound. But for me, neither...both overpriced with poor resale value.

not many free rides in life.. you have to pay to play....

[martyk54]

Originally Posted by mcouldrey

But for me, neither...both overpriced with poor resale value.

Since when does resale come into play for someone with this predicament, or any car enthusiast for that matter? Go buy some coins or stamps, those who can afford to buy new cars will continue to and enjoy it.

[SVT8]

Gt all day everyday, finally ford has a powerfull reliable v8 with heaps of after market power potential and no issues with a supercharger and EPA. F6 turbo is addictive though

[dimka100]

And what would be the price difference between the two cars?

The F6 is now selling very poorly for FPV, and based on their 2011 run out deals you might be able to pick one up for 20K less than the GT ...

The question is how much are you prepared to pay extra for a V8 considering than the rest of the car is basically identical in every way ...

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by mcouldrey

Do you want fun or to tell people you own a v8. driven both, f6 is great fun, gt has a great sound. But for me, neither...both overpriced with poor resale value.

Have you seen the % of resale for GT335's, its pretty impressive, way better than a GTS. 72% Vs 59%.

72% is very good for any type of car let alone a locally made one.

[Elks]

GT (or GS, GTP. GTE). The Miami V8 is awesome, smooth fast, reasonably fuel efficient, absolutely tuneable, and still sound fab at 1/2 throttle.

Originally Posted by mcouldrey

.......But for me, neither...both overpriced with poor resale value.

Right. Based on what. Is it worse than any other $70k car? In fact show me a "luxury" car that doesn't depreciate rapidly in its 1st few years..

[jackson105]

V8 all the way, but the F6 is sick. If it were me I'd grab an xa or xb gt instead. May not be as fast but way more classier

[Kynan]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

not many free rides in life.. you have to pay to play....

Second that! You only live once

[Mr Brooksy]

I am toying with this question now. Not for new (can't afford) but for the Bseries GT and F6. Im going with the F6. Something untamed about them. But that's just me. Don't get me wrong I would love a GT but to have to decide the F6 is my pick. Maybe in a few years Ill drive a 5.0 SC and the tables will turn. But I haven't so...

[Rodge]

Below is a copy of a post I made earlier on this subject about a year ago after getting my GT-P. The only thing I miss about my F6 is it was about 15% cheaper on fuel, (Euro 3 versions only, Euro 4 is only about 10% more efficient than a GT from what I've heard)

F6 v GT-P Owners Review

I'd like to think having owned a couple of F6's and had two track days at Hampton Downs racetrack and a half day test drive of a dealers GT I have some sort of handle on the differences between these two brilliant cars but the truth is whilst I can certainly review the F6's attributes at some length I'm really only scratching the surface with the new SC engine as I've only done 330 km's in my GT-P so this is really only indicative intitial thoughts regarding my GT-P and feedback on their respective track performance, so I hope that's of some value to people considering the merits of these two brilliant cars.

F6 - Strengths

Slightly less weight 1812 kg's with full tank Autocar N.Z. (27kg's less than GT)
Boost arrives earlier with max 565nm torque @ 1950 r.p.m. (2,200 r.p.m. for SC engine)
Searing mid range punch, effortless part throttle torque delivery due to its long stroke engine, relative fuel efficiency, especially Euro 3 versions which were rated at only 12.1 litres per 100km's combined, explosive acceleration with a dramatic transition between on and off boost making it both an extremly exciting car to drive whilst also being very challanging to drive quickly and lighter front end making it slightly more nimble through the tight stuff.

F6 Room for improvement - Unstable idle on start-up, relativly unsupportive XR6 seats with very modest bolster support on the seat cushion or back, concerns regarding transmission shunt at low speed.

Background and comment on F6 ownership experience
My first F6 was a bright Neo blue BF2 Typhoon purchased brand new in January 2007. I was immediatly smitten with its good looks, outstanding handling, performance and brakes and so began a three year love affair with "bluey". BF2's have the 270KW 550nm engine making 9 p.s.i. of boost and they had a reasonable degree of turbo lag which was subsequently significantly reduced in the FG F6 models. No DSC was fitted back then so it was all on you to control the beast which I found very exciting. There is some suggestion that these cars have superior torque delivery in the 2,000-4,250 range compared to FG F6's and personally I subscribe to this theory, its was turbine smoothe, jet like flat line torque that seemed to really lock into the ZF box and was delivered in a manner that suggested there was little if any intervention from the electronic power control module.

Power delivery in standard tune in the BF2 model goes a bit flat from 4,700 r.p.m. or thereabouts, which is obviously easily fixed with a re-tune.

Bluey also had some other attributes sadly absent from FG F6's and most noteable amoung them are the wider and much more supportive seats, (BF2'a have very firm special bolsters on the seat cushion and back and more realsitic real feel suede inserts), and a proper sports steering wheel.
Its obvious there has been a cost cutting programme wround the interior of the Typhoon between BF2 and Fg F6's models with F6's now having what would appear to be standard XR6 Seats tarted up with cheap and very obviously fake suede fabric on the so called bolsters.
Bluey performed totally flawlessly through the three years I owned her and in many ways I still miss that car.

I first drove an FG F6 shortly after the Dash press car EMB218 arrived in N.Z. I think it was May 2008. To be honest I was really surprised at the performance increase over my BF2 Typhoon. Its well known that Typhoon and F6 power figures have been ultra conservativly stated for some time and whilst I thought that Bluey was making more than 270kw's it was abundently clear that the press car was making far more than the official 310 Kw's. Frankly I put the differecne between bluey and the press car at around 100 kw's at the rear wheels. There were a number of rumours circulating, (not on this site), at the time of that press car, and speculation that it had a "special tune" that Ford N.Z. ran it on race fuel and so on, not sure about the latter but it had a special tune allright, there's little doubt about that now.

This press car went on to achieve a best time of 0-100 of 4.82 seconds and 80-120 of 2.64 seconds running BP Ultimate in Autocar N.Z.'s hands but that 4.82 second time was in the reverse direction on Meremere's ultra sommth dragstrip and the best time they recorded on normal roads was 4.99 seconds. Other magazine testing shows a best of 5.00 seconds for the sedan so I thin its safe to say the very best is 5.00 seconds and 2.64 seconds for the rolling acceleration 80-120 k.p.h. time.

In February 2010 I finally decided to make the move to a FG F6, noticeable improvements over the BF2 were a stronger top end performance slightly better handling with the new front end steering set-up, DSC to back me up in case I messed up and that's about it. Detracting somewhat were the signifcantly inferior seats, lack of proper chunky sports steering wheel and I wasn't as keen on the colour (Viper) chosen because it was a demonstrator and i got $10,000 off the RRP.
As time went on I became addicted to the ballistic rush on the new F6, its almost manic power delivery and searing mid range and top end are all heady stuff, but was muted by probems which may be peculiar to my model but included, rough idle on start-up, having to wait a full 2 minutes after start to get a stable and happy idling engine was always a pain the ****, jerky ZF box when coming to close to a standstill, which is another common problem with these cars and the lack of bolster support was ever present when blasting through the tight and twisty stuff, so there were down-sides to the new FG F6 and the seats in particular ****ed me off, which brings me to the SC GT-P.

SC GT-P - Strengths

More Power - There's no question these new SC engines make huge top end power, regular dyno reports of circa 310rwkw's can't all be wrong and arn't in my opinion. My track day experiences lead me to believe the SC cars are indeed making circa 30 -40 rwkw's more than an F6 at the top end.

More sound - Its truly wonderfully addictive stuff, the sound of the supercharger whine and the bombastic explosive sound of the V8 as the bi-modul exhaust opens up over 3800 r.p.m., (for someone who's never had a Ford V8 before), is truly addictive and totally compelling stuff.

More control - The V8 goes about delivering its power in a more linear and more easily controlled manner, it doesn't climb all over you with a parabolic powerr delivery that's hard to modulate mid corner, its far, far easier to drive quickly than an F6. The biggest problem with driving an F6 car quickly which is both increbily exciting and difficult is that of power modulation through and exciting corners.

Lets unpack this a bit becuase this is the biggest difference between these two cars.
The F6 is similar to a light switch, its either on boost or off and these little in the middle and trying to get mid levels of boost and modulating the almost manic power delivery is difficult. Suppose you're mid-corner in a long sweeping corner, you washed off the correct amount of speped on entry, but find youself really struggling to maintain the correect speed through the corner, so you apply more throttle, suddenly the boost grabs on and you're in trouble. On the other hand power modulation in the new V8 is soooo easy, it doesn't seem to want to boost unless you give firm instructions and therein lies the main difference bwteen driving the cars, the boost is all over you in the F6 and its there when asked for in the SC.

My over-riding impression after the first track day with the SC cars Ford N.Z. put on was how incredibly easy these SC cars are to drive fast, followed by where's the boost explosion feeling so they didn't intially feel as fast as my F6.

This was followed up by an opportunity I had in February for a half day drive of a dealer principals GT where I really worked the tiptronic out in the back country and really explored the SC cars wonderful 4,000 r.p.m.-redline performance capability, fantastic stuff blasting from one corner to the nest maintaing high revs, no turbo lag or on-boost off boost issues to deal with the SC engine feels like driving a big naturally aspirated 8.0 litre free revving engine.

Better Seats - GT-P seats are just brilliant, highly supportive, heaps of lumbar support on the seat cushion and back, the perforated leather is soft and supple.

Six Pot Brembo's - Love em, can be optioned into F6 but at signifcant and surprisingly high extra cost.

Finally I love the new GT-P rims, bigger rear spoiler, side stripes and just having the inscription Boss 335 on the side makes me feel good.

GT-P Weaknesses
Some extra fuel consumption over an F6 - nothing much else to report at this stage. Slightly heavier weight of the GT-P seems to be well managed by the new suspension settings, perhaps not quite as nimble as an F6 through the corners but this is truly "splitting hairs" stuff because it feels well "planted" perhaps aided by a lower centre of gravity in the engine department due to the V configuration.

Car feels slightly better balanced overall and I note the front rear weight distribution of the SC cars is slightly more even on the V8 compared to the F6 according to Autocar N.Z. at 53.5/46.5 as compared to 54.7/45.3 for the F6.

So how do they drive and how do they compare on the road
F6 feels really really quick due to its manic all over you power transition.
SC feels less dramatic but isn't any slower.
Everyone has their own favourite methodology by which they measure whether one car is faster than another, for some its there 0-100 km's stats after all that's basically the maximum speed allowable by law so that's what really counts right ? not for me. For others its their quarter mile times, that's the average performance speed of the car over the quarter so the quicker the time the better right ? not necessarily....

For me the best objective measure I use is real world acceleration and in my opinion best real world rolling acceration, (that blast you ask from your beast as you power from one exciting corner to another) is best measure by the time exposed to danger or the 80-120 k.p.h. testa s its more commonly known.

Funnily enough on this meausre both FPV cars have HSV completly shot to bits with most reports of HSV times for the 80-120 in the low to mid 3 second range and when you consider that it takes legendary beats like the twin turbo over 400KW Audi RS6 2.58 seconds and the 375KW Jaguar XFR 2.50 seconds to get into the mid 2 second range it puts the alomost supercar rolling acceleration of the FPV cars into perspective at 2.64 seconds for the F6 running BP98 Ultimate and 2.51 seconds for the SC GT running Shell 95 Octane into perspective.

There's no question that both FPV cars offer extreordinary bang for your buck, okay they're missing some of the latest electroic gadgety, I'm not for a moment going to pretend otherwise, but for the money they both offer exceptional performacne and we are very fortunate indeed to have access to vehicles of these abilities for the price we do.

For me personally i've come to realise the benifets of having a more linear power and torque delivery, (I don't care what FPV say in their marketing speel, the SC cars have a more linear torque delivery than an F6), the bombastic sound and extreme top end power are there whenever the occassion permitts it, a meaty mid-range is always on hand and low end performacne is also fine.

2.51 seconds rolling acceleration for the 80-120 time speaks for itself, (probably even more astonishing times are achievable on BP98 Octane with a well run-in engine) and with no turbo lag to juggle, the bombastic sound, addictive supercharger whine and proper supportive seats I'm smitten with my new beast.

F6 is still one heck of a car though, and really exciting to drive there's no question about that whatsoever. If the guy who bought "bluey" off me is reading this and wants to sell her back, I'd be happy to have her back provided I could keep my GT-P so I'd make room in the garage and my finances somehow to make this happen, (that probably says best how I feel about the F6).

Sorry about the grammer and spelling mistakes, I havn't got the time to edit this much so hopefully it looks allright and you guys get the main gist of it as it comes out.

[Smoke Pursuit]

GT ofcourse....

F6's are a great car but the GT is the king... Depends whether you want cheaper buy in, cheaper rego and cheaper fueling however, I can see the benefits there in the F6 especially with respect to fuel economy, they are as good as a standard I6 on the highway!

[barra240t]

I used to be F6 all the way when it was the 5.4L days, now with the 5.0L s/c my opinion has changed, I'd be happy with either but the 5.0L exhaust not pushes me over the edge to say I like the V8 better, and that sweet supercharged response and slight whine. Love it.

[TC200six]

I'm the same with barra240t, back in the 5.4 days I preferred the F6. Now that Ford have a quicker V8 (thanks to the supercharger), I would take a GT any day, although the F6 is still cool though.

[Windsor342ci]

Originally Posted by TC200six

I'm the same with barra240t, back in the 5.4 days I preferred the F6. Now that Ford have a quicker V8 (thanks to the supercharger), I would take a GT any day, although the F6 is still cool though.

The F6 looks cool, sounds cool and goes like a damn gun! But the days of the mighty heavy and a little sluggy 5.4L days are behind us! Yes, go back to the BA/F era you really couldn’t look at anything else. But now, with the new 5.0 Miami. It is a game changer. A new era that has once again placed the V8 as supreme and the rest and a "close" second best.

For those that haven’t sat behind the wheel of the new ones you can’t be blamed for thinking the F6 is the superior of the 2. But my brother in law has a new GT-P and it is absolutely out of this world. He gave it to me the 2 day of owning for the weekend. It was beyond great! For a factory car to do what this thing done, and so easily? Surely this product must be illegal!

[Powdered Toast Man]

I love the sound of an 8 so I would normally say GT..... But if I was to buy one right now I would seriously consider the 6T, Id be looking at the GT-E vs F6-E.

The blown 5.0L is hard to ignore.

Can't afford either so its moot.

[Crazy Dazz]

What’s interesting is just how many people want to buy into such questions, and forcefully argue their point of view like they’re going to convince somebody.

I would easily choose one over the other, no hesitation, and if you read a few of my posts you’ll know which one that is. But I can’t explain that to you in any rational way because it’s all about personal choice.
I will say that in regards to the two, they are both exceptional choices. Sad to think that the Falcon is struggling for sales when we have some of the most exceptional cars ever built in Australia.

I will however add that I think Ford should have kept the Typhoon name.

[dkpioe]

il go for the f6. better, more efficient. the only thing going for the v8 is sound - but then it sounds crap compared to many older bigger v8s with half the power, and the v8 sound in the modern era represents slow, heavy, inneficient, slow revving and expensive to many people. i prefer the sound of a v-twin bike - which can make a meaner sound with 1/4 of the cylinders and 1/5 the engine capacity. f1 cars and ferrari road cars run v8s, but they have a totally different mechanical configuration which allows for much faster revving then the farm-hacks that ford uses in their v8 road cars.

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by dkpioe

il go for the f6. better, more efficient. the only thing going for the v8 is sound - but then it sounds crap compared to many older bigger v8s with half the power, and the v8 sound in the modern era represents slow, heavy, inneficient, slow revving and expensive to many people. i prefer the sound of a v-twin bike - which can make a meaner sound with 1/4 of the cylinders and 1/5 the engine capacity. f1 cars and ferrari road cars run v8s, but they have a totally different mechanical configuration which allows for much faster revving then the farm-hacks that ford uses in their v8 road cars.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by dkpioe

il go for the f6. better, more efficient. the only thing going for the v8 is sound - but then it sounds crap compared to many older bigger v8s with half the power, and the v8 sound in the modern era represents slow, heavy, inneficient, slow revving and expensive to many people. i prefer the sound of a v-twin bike - which can make a meaner sound with 1/4 of the cylinders and 1/5 the engine capacity. f1 cars and ferrari road cars run v8s, but they have a totally different mechanical configuration which allows for much faster revving then the farm-hacks that ford uses in their v8 road cars.

HEHEHE , your funny looking forward to your return .

[anto]

wow thats some solid advice right there....