Reasons Not to let people drive your cars. - Page 2

mike_nofx · 18-01-2013, 09:42 AM

I was worried about having to give up the keys to my 7 year old wagon for valet at the hotel I'm currently in. Hoping when they bring my car back in a couple of hours its undamaged/unscratched etc

Hate to think the feeling if I had a car actually worth something!!

**Polyal** · 18-01-2013, 09:43 AM

Yeah Ive even crossed my brother off now, lent him the car while out of the state only to get a call that it hit a tree. As above, its a very very small list.

FGII-XR6 · 18-01-2013, 09:46 AM

so it's ok to steal someone's car, damage it and as long as you say sorry it all ok? this guy needs to be taught to leave other peoples cars alone. If he took my car without permission he'd be in court for being the car stealing oxygen thief he is

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Originally Posted by Djrystofer

I wouldn't take it that far mate, yeah he did take the car and immobilize it in the process, but he's agreed to pay for the damages & I'm sure he's said sorry.

Streets · 18-01-2013, 10:37 AM

It's not theft if he didn't intend to permanently deprive him of his car

Still wrong to borrow without asking though.

XR6_661 · 18-01-2013, 11:58 AM

I'll let anyone (within) reason drive my car if I am in the passenger seat.

The list for people to drive it without me is very limited.

I had no choice over the Christmas period when the exes mother (Yeah, I live with my ex's parents) and my ex (who was visiting) used the car as I was out on a boat.

They couldn't seem to understand why I was peeved when I discovered the dogs had been on the backseat AFTER being at the beach and that my ex had had her feet on the dash/touching the windscreen.

Werd. · 18-01-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_661

I'll let anyone (within) reason drive my car if I am in the passenger seat.

The list for people to drive it without me is very limited.

I had no choice over the Christmas period when the exes mother (Yeah, I live with my ex's parents) and my ex (who was visiting) used the car as I was out on a boat.

They couldn't seem to understand why I was peeved when I discovered the dogs had been on the backseat AFTER being at the beach and that my ex had had her feet on the dash/touching the windscreen.

Some people just don't understand the clean thing..???

I clean my car every 2-3 days, it's never not spotless, there's no way anyone could sit in it and not think "Hmm clean!"...

For some unknown reason though, everyone forgets this and must leave thinking they hopped in a pig sty to begin with lol.

mike_nofx · 18-01-2013, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Streets

It's not theft if he didn't intend to permanently deprive him of his car

Still wrong to borrow without asking though.

I doubt that's the definition of theft.

If I "borrow" your car from your front yard without telling you, but with full intention of returning it, is that not theft?

XR6_661 · 18-01-2013, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Werd.

Some people just don't understand the clean thing..???

I clean my car every 2-3 days, it's never not spotless, there's no way anyone could sit in it and not think "Hmm clean!"...

For some unknown reason though, everyone forgets this and must leave thinking they hopped in a pig sty to begin with lol.

It's unreal. The other weekend, spent half the day detailing my XR6, the little crap of a 15 year old walks out and asks me what I'm doing and points at the car, touching the freshly cleaned window....Told him not to touch the windows as I had just cleaned them.....so he rubbed his greasy mits across the window.

Thought it was a huge joke.

I know it's a 94 model Falcon...But geez, have some respect.

EF_Shark · 18-01-2013, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6_661

It's unreal. The other weekend, spent half the day detailing my XR6, the little crap of a 15 year old walks out and asks me what I'm doing and points at the car, touching the freshly cleaned window....Told him not to touch the windows as I had just cleaned them.....so he rubbed his greasy mits across the window.

Thought it was a huge joke.

I know it's a 94 model Falcon...But geez, have some respect.

Your location says Tom Price. I'm actually working at the Western Turner mine at the moment. Small world.

**SSD-85** · 18-01-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

Except for rego inspection? Or during servicing?

Nope.

1: In QLD only 1 inspection is required for rego

2: I service my cars.

Djrystofer · 19-01-2013, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

I doubt that's the definition of theft.

If I "borrow" your car from your front yard without telling you, but with full intention of returning it, is that not theft?

It's not like he spat in his face and said deal with it.

while I admire your opinion, and I'm sure at the end of the day you'd end up feeling better about yourself in the same situation if you were to do so,

There's really no need, the damage is done. Taking him to court and 'getting him back' isn't going to fix the car.

I'm not condoning flogging other people's cars in any way, it was wrong of him to do so in the first place, but he's stepped up and taken responsibility by paying for the damages.

Psi-Pop · 19-01-2013, 09:10 AM

The list of people who can drive my car is, best mate who built it with me, my dad and my girlfriend. All get the boost turned way down.

I wont let tyre joints test drive it anymore, had new fronts put on it years ago when it was only a crappy turbo setup, watched it pull out into traffic and boost off down the road. Not taking that risk now.

mike_nofx · 19-01-2013, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Djrystofer

It's not like he spat in his face and said deal with it.

while I admire your opinion, and I'm sure at the end of the day you'd end up feeling better about yourself in the same situation if you were to do so,

There's really no need, the damage is done. Taking him to court and 'getting him back' isn't going to fix the car.

I'm not condoning flogging other people's cars in any way, it was wrong of him to do so in the first place, but he's stepped up and taken responsibility by paying for the damages.

That post of mine was more in general than specifically about this case

Djrystofer · 19-01-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by mike_nofx

That post of mine was more in general than specifically about this case

Apologies, I had quoted the wrong person

FGII-XR6 · 19-01-2013, 08:01 PM

how wrong you are if you take a car without permission it is car theft . don't believe me? next time you see a car with the keys in it jump in and drive off the next day return it and see what happens.

CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 154A Taking a conveyance without consent of owner
154A Taking a conveyance without consent of owner

(1) Any person who:
(a) without having the consent of the owner or person in lawful possession of a conveyance, takes and drives it, or takes it for the purpose of driving it, or secreting it, or obtaining a reward for its restoration or pretended restoration, or for any other fraudulent purpose, or
(b) knowing that any conveyance has been taken without such consent, drives it or allows himself or herself to be carried in or on it,
shall be deemed to be guilty of larceny and liable to be indicted for that offence.

(2) For the purposes of this section "conveyance" means any cart, wagon, cab, carriage, motor car, caravan, trailer, motor lorry, tractor, earth moving equipment, omnibus, motor or other bicycle, tank or other military vehicle, or any ship, or vessel, used or intended for navigation, and "drive" shall be construed accordingly.

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Originally Posted by Streets

It's not theft if he didn't intend to permanently deprive him of his car

Still wrong to borrow without asking though.

brycieboy · 19-01-2013, 09:57 PM

very similar thing happened to my girlfriends bother. both his house mates (they live in his house) decided to do some burnouts one night in both his cars when he was not home. one was in his VE Maloo the other in his nissan patrol. the maloo ende up with popped tyres the belts had worn the inner guards out, ripped off mudflaps, abs fault on the dash etc etc... they then decided to call him at 4am to tell him what the did. they then hid the tyres so he couldnt see them and wnt and got them replaced. unfortunatly the tyre man is a mate and kept the wheels for him to look at.

Ben73 · 19-01-2013, 09:58 PM

What if his mate returned the car in good working order with extra fuel in the tank, but only told him he borrowed it afterwards, should he still try to get him done for auto theft?

If I trust them I tell them if they are in an at fault crash they will need to pay my $1000 excess and then pay my 65% No claim bonus next time my insurance premium is due.
When the price of a minor mistake is that much they start to think whether its worth it or not.

But If I didn't trust them, I would straight out tell them NO It's for me only.

XrRabbit · 31-01-2013, 11:11 AM

I was never big on letting people drive my car. I let my girlfriend drive it once, and it came back with the brand new 20's all gutter rashes and dented. We broke up after I got the car back and saw that. There is only 1 mate I let drive my car and he is my best mate and he treats his au III T xr6 better then anything.

T-Pak Addict · 31-01-2013, 11:43 AM

My wife always goes on about how **** I am with my car and cracks the ***** when I dont let her drive it or if I do then with reservations. Its only a Xcab but I have spent countless hours in the shed working on it, maintaining it & cleaning it..... Kids have only driven it when I am in the passenger seat (usually on trips).... I lend it to no one... Keys always stay with me. It does drive the wife nuts when mine is last in the driveway and I move it so she can het ger AU out instead of just taking my car....

I would be pretty miffed if someone did that to my car and "just borrowed" it for whatever reason unless it was an emergency (life & death).

ryeman · 31-01-2013, 11:58 AM

T-Pack, how tight/loose is the body?

xisled · 31-01-2013, 12:05 PM

Basically, not to worried who drives the GT, it is insured, so if anything happens it is covered. I have better things to worry about than stress about my car.

**MercurySilver** · 31-01-2013, 12:51 PM

well i would be
if a mate drives it and prangs it making it a complete write off, and he is not listed as a driver on the insurance
you will not get a penny
and you wont have a car.

its why friends dont drive my cars
full stop

in fact
when it goes to ford for a service i record the kms on a piece of paper and stick it to the dash
just so they know im aware, and that im making them aware, that im aware
nothing like getting it back from a service and its got 15 extra kms on it
i went ballistic when that first happened in the old ba xr8 ute
its never happened again

T-Pak Addict · 31-01-2013, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ryeman

T-Pack, how tight/loose is the body?

Pretty good actually... Just replaced the whole rear IRS cradle & diff a few months ago after it decided to start whining after a nice drive thru the hills... Son has a BF Fairmont, we both agree mine drives better than his (he has 140k on it) but obviously he has more power.....

EF_Shark · 22-02-2013, 09:26 PM

Well after a long time of being busy with other things like helping a sister move and mainly weeks at work away from home i've managed to strip the new engine down to the block. Plan is new bearings a set of Hastings rings, Welch plugs and every gasket and seal replaced. Maybe even a spray in Ford blue if I can be bothered.

The crank is out and looks good with no scores on it but it has the same red paint that the valve springs, head and cam had sprayed on it. Does anyone have any idea if the tickford bottom end was any different than a standard falcon? The head surely was when you sit it next to a standard one. The exhaust valves are bigger by about 2mm, the chambers are different shapes and there is less metal around the valve guides.
The Head is off getting decked but only 20 thou now, having bigger exhaust valves fitted and ported out to match the wade cam.
Have no idea what this combo will make once it is J3 tuned but it should move ok.

Streets · 22-02-2013, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

how wrong you are if you take a car without permission it is car theft . don't believe me? next time you see a car with the keys in it jump in and drive off the next day return it and see what happens.

What happened in the OP is nowhere near opportunistically jumping in a car and driving off in it. Again, theft is taking with the intent to deprive. If you went to the police and said "my mate took my car but he brought it back" you'd be laughed out of the station.

EF_Shark · 22-02-2013, 10:32 PM

The Mate has been forgiven and has bankrolled the rebuild. The main thing now it making it faster than it ever has been.

NX74205 · 22-02-2013, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by brycieboy

very similar thing happened to my girlfriends bother. both his house mates (they live in his house) decided to do some burnouts one night in both his cars when he was not home.

He should've taken his car keys with him.

Whenever I'm not home - even if I'm just walking down to the shops for 5 minutes, I take my car keys and lock my spare key away. If I'm going interstate/overseas, my keys (including my spare) comes with me. I'm not taking the risk of leaving them at home.

XR6WGN · 22-02-2013, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by EF_Shark

Does anyone have any idea if the tickford bottom end was any different than a standard falcon?

I've always believed that the bottom end of a Tickford motor was the same as every other and all the modifications were in the head, fuel pressure regulator and ECU.

I was just looking at the position of the oil pressure switch - hmm mine is playing up and needs replacing - that's going to be an interesting job with the head and inlet manifold in place. Might be better to leave it until the next service and get it from underneath on a hoist.

What you have been forced to do is something I would love to do to mine - my head was done last year but now I'm noticing blue/grey smoke under acceleration - I'm thinking AUIII bottom end maybe.

Cheese3 · 22-02-2013, 11:45 PM

I have no issue lending mates things ect I just tell them one rule . . .

You break it , you buy it or ill break you . . . simple and they know ill stand by those words

FGII-XR6 · 23-02-2013, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Streets

What happened in the OP is nowhere near opportunistically jumping in a car and driving off in it. Again, theft is taking with the intent to deprive. If you went to the police and said "my mate took my car but he brought it back" you'd be laughed out of the station.

If you are going to quote me have the integrity to quote me fully and in context you left out my section pointing to the crimes act and the definition of theft just to try to make you look like you know what you are talking about ( when you don't).
if you went into a cop shop and said a mate took your car without permission and without you handing the keys over and you want to lay charges they are legally obligated to charge the low life who stole your car regardless if he returned it or not, regardless if he intended to permanently deprive you of the use of the car. in fact in this case he caused excessive damage to the car and despite the fact that he has offered to pay up he will do it again as he received no punishment for stealing a car. just because he knows the owner does not give him the right to drive his car without consent.

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Originally Posted by au3xr6

how wrong you are if you take a car without permission it is car theft . don't believe me? next time you see a car with the keys in it jump in and drive off the next day return it and see what happens.

CRIMES ACT 1900 - SECT 154A Taking a conveyance without consent of owner
154A Taking a conveyance without consent of owner

(1) Any person who:
(a) without having the consent of the owner or person in lawful possession of a conveyance, takes and drives it, or takes it for the purpose of driving it, or secreting it, or obtaining a reward for its restoration or pretended restoration, or for any other fraudulent purpose, or

(b) knowing that any conveyance has been taken without such consent, drives it or allows himself or herself to be carried in or on it,

shall be deemed to be guilty of larceny and liable to be indicted for that offence.

(2) For the purposes of this section "conveyance" means any cart, wagon, cab, carriage, motor car, caravan, trailer, motor lorry, tractor, earth moving equipment, omnibus, motor or other bicycle, tank or other military vehicle, or any ship, or vessel, used or intended for navigation, and "drive" shall be construed accordingly.