Which Bathurst was this?

[deesun]

Those same set of rules helped DJR win at Willowbank when their car was in the sandtrap at the end of the straight. I think it was Larry Perkins crying fowl that day, I am unsure of the driver for DJR that day but I think it was Paul Radisich.

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

I remember that after the red and white shytebox crashed OUT of the race Dick drove past the wreck , crossed the finish line and was half way up mountain straight when the red flag was waved . dick was declared the winner by all and sundry at first , then there was a protest within a few minutes and then the race was declared over at the time the red flag was waved , minus the last 2 completed laps ! apparently the EUROPEAN rules were being used for the race and they stipulate after a red flaged race due to serious crash or dangerous race conditions the result will stand at the red flag minus 2 completed laps (Richards was first across the line). Normally Bathurst was run under our touring car rules the result would be taken back to the last completed lap ( which would have been Dick first across the line ) !

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

I remember that after the red and white shytebox crashed OUT of the race Dick drove past the wreck , crossed the finish line and was half way up mountain straight when the red flag was waved . dick was declared the winner by all and sundry at first , then there was a protest within a few minutes and then the race was declared over at the time the red flag was waved , minus the last 2 completed laps ! apparently the EUROPEAN rules were being used for the race and they stipulate after a red flaged race due to serious crash or dangerous race conditions the result will stand at the red flag minus 2 completed laps (Richards was first across the line). Normally Bathurst was run under our touring car rules the result would be taken back to the last completed lap ( which would have been Dick first across the line ) !

Bathurst 92 was run under World Touring Car conditions, if they were the rules, they were the rules for every car on track.
Those shyte boxes filled 4 0f the top 12 positions on the final standings, they couldn't have been too bad.

In fact they weren't bad at all.

What happened at Bathurst that year was the culmination for what was already in the minds of many race fans, no one liked the turbo charged Nissan as it was too bloody good.
Despite being handicapped (it was 2seconds off the previous years pace) it was still leading the race until it went into the wall.

It was in its own league.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Moby Vic

At Bathurst 2012 they showed an interview with Richards, and he referred to that as "My public speaking debut" with a sly smile.

He certainly got the audiences attention, and made a few headlines.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Nikked

So Dick shouldn't have won his first Bathurst in '81?

No ! Brock hit the rock as well.

Dicky boy hit it and big deal, if he missed it good on him but he hit it, to bad so sad. to be truthful.

Someone hit a roo once down conrod, gee that looked good !

If you crash to bad the race goes on in my book.

I have no favorites, it is what it is a race not a bloody idolatry of the drivers to me.

I do take my hat off to all of the drivers but i do like to see the small teams get a win, big boys crash good the little ones may have a chance.

[The FOMOCO]

Jim Richards had every right to be angry at the crowd that day it was very bad sportsman ship by the crowd .Also he is the best wet road driver that's gone around Bathusrt ever

[aussie muscle]

It's certainly not the only race that's been red flagged due to heavy rain.

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by The FOMOCO

Jim Richards had every right to be angry at the crowd that day it was very bad sportsman ship by the crowd .Also he is the best wet road driver that's gone around Bathusrt ever

Another thing that would have bothered Jimmy, was that earlier Denny Hulme passed away while driving in the race (heart failure I think?), Denny is a former Formula 1 champ. and a Kiwi.

[TC200six]

There is a belief from import fans that the reason why Nissan was "banned from V8 Supercars" was due to the fans reaction to this event.

That isn't really true, no?

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by TC200six

There is a belief from import fans that the reason why Nissan was "banned from V8 Supercars" was due to the fans reaction to this event.

That isn't really true, no?

No its not.
Group A had become unsustainable. The manufacturers had to build 500 homologation specials during a recession.
They were complaining they couldn't sell them and that it was consuming too much of their engineering budget.
Not to mention rampant cheating....500 not made, illegal fuels, capacity of motors.

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by The FOMOCO

Jim Richards had every right to be angry at the crowd that day it was very bad sportsman ship by the crowd .Also he is the best wet road driver that's gone around Bathusrt ever

A yobo threw a can of beer, that's what set him off..I was there..
The crowd did settle after ..

[FTE]

Originally Posted by TC200six

There is a belief from import fans that the reason why Nissan was "banned from V8 Supercars" was due to the fans reaction to this event.

That isn't really true, no?

International Group A finished in 1988 but continued until 1992 in Australia before the switch to V8 Supercars. The formula was already going to change well before the Nissan GTR even entered racing here.
The VN Group A was allowed to race because of this. They only made 302 of the 500 required to be eligible

[69XWGT]

Wasn't just the race that got the fans going.

Everywhere the Nissan team went so did the booing. That had been going on all year.

I've seen a photo of a couple of the Nissan team members flipping the bird to the crowd and apparently it was taken around 11am in the morning. So by races finish you would have had a heap of angry fans and then it was like trying to put a fire out with petrol when Richo buried it in the wall.

To the clown that said Dick shouldn't have won in 81. Slight difference.
In 81 the track was completely blocked. In 92 it was far from blocked and the rain had stopped at the top of the mountain when the race was called

[staity]

Group A died in Aus because the fans were loosing interest. Most of the cars the average Aussie couldn't identify with as they were foreign and hella expensive (with the exception of some cars of course). Hence the introduction of V8 supercars and going back to Ford V Holden.

[2011G6E]

Can't believe people are still so upset about it.
Ran was too heavy, track was dangerous, race was called. Rules said that whoever was leading at last complete lap was declared winner. Simple as that.

Literally the ONLY reason for the furor is that a Falcon or a Commodore didn't get declared winner, and the bogans didn't like it...one of them funny high tech furrin cars was declared the winner! the very idea! And it wasn't a V8!!!! That was the worst part I think.
If it had been a Falcon or Commodore, not a peep would be heard and people would have by now pretty much have forgotten all about the race, and now, 22 years later, no one would even raise an eyebrow about it or get all narky about the result.

Big part of the start to push towards changing the formula to "V8 only"...and then only Australian made ones, reducing it even further to Commodore versus Falcon.

Basically, people couldn't stand that something without a V8 won, and that it had a Nissan badge on it. That's about what it boiled down to.
I really don't think they could see that the future was coming where technology was going to mean that simply the number of cylinders just didn't matter that much anymore, and something with relatively low engine capacity (2.6ltr in the case of the Godzilla Skylines) and proper chassis development and modern drivetrain advances meant just having a V8 didn't guarantee victory.


God I miss the real Bathurst races with different class of car all racing together, big cars, small cars, fours, sixes, and eights (and occasionally 12's and rotaries), and you literally had no idea who was going to win and what upsets were going to happen to allow some unknown cars and driver to win. That was true exciting racing, not just an endless procession of Falcodores all fitted the virtually the same running gear and a shell on top...

[2011G6E]

One more thing...
If Tricky Dicky had been declared winner, remember this: he would have been driving a foreign car...a foreign car with a turbo...a foreign car with four cylinders and a turbo...

Hell, if most of the "V8's are the only engine that has ever existed and will ever exist, so help me god" bogans there that day had actually thought about what they were demanding, their heads would have exploded at the facts of it...

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Can't believe people are still so upset about it.
Ran was too heavy, track was dangerous, race was called. Rules said that whoever was leading at last complete lap was declared winner. Simple as that.

Literally the ONLY reason for the furor is that a Falcon or a Commodore didn't get declared winner, and the bogans didn't like it...one of them funny high tech furrin cars was declared the winner! the very idea! And it wasn't a V8!!!! That was the worst part I think.
If it had been a Falcon or Commodore, not a peep would be heard and people would have by now pretty much have forgotten all about the race, and now, 22 years later, no one would even raise an eyebrow about it or get all narky about the result.

Big part of the start to push towards changing the formula to "V8 only"...and then only Australian made ones, reducing it even further to Commodore versus Falcon.

Basically, people couldn't stand that something without a V8 won, and that it had a Nissan badge on it. That's about what it boiled down to.
I really don't think they could see that the future was coming where technology was going to mean that simply the number of cylinders just didn't matter that much anymore, and something with relatively low engine capacity (2.6ltr in the case of the Godzilla Skylines) and proper chassis development and modern drivetrain advances meant just having a V8 didn't guarantee victory.


God I miss the real Bathurst races with different class of car all racing together, big cars, small cars, fours, sixes, and eights (and occasionally 12's and rotaries), and you literally had no idea who was going to win and what upsets were going to happen to allow some unknown cars and driver to win. That was true exciting racing, not just an endless procession of Falcodores all fitted the virtually the same running gear and a shell on top...

The fact that it was a high tech sports car that probably shouldn't have been allowed to compete against touring cars really didn't help.

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by MethodX

The fact that it was a high tech sports car that probably shouldn't have been allowed to compete against touring cars really didn't help.

Dicks Sierra Cosworth was just as high tech...as were a number of cars in the field at the time. For a while, it had become apparent to thinking people that a simple rear drive naturally aspirated V8 was on the wane, and would soon be nothing more than an interesting technical piece of racing history.

Something had to be done to change that...and it was...resulting in the boring as bad guano racing series we have at the moment. The only "change" is that they are finally and begrudgingly letting in a few other badges to the field.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by 69XWGT

l.

To the clown that said Dick shouldn't have won in 81. Slight difference.
In 81 the track was completely blocked. In 92 it was far from blocked and the rain had stopped at the top of the mountain when the race was called

The point is, both races were red flagged and cut short...both under respective rules. It is what it is, one win was not more fair and just then the other.

The reason why people still sook about it is because they need someone to blame when things don't go there way...the GT-R was the easy target because it didn't have a Ford or Holden badge on it.

One of the most idiotic things I've heard is from Nissan fans about the Altima..."they'll win and get banned like the old days"

[2011G6E]

Originally Posted by Nikked

The point is, both races were red flagged and cut short...both under respective rules. It is what it is, one win was not more fair and just then the other.

The reason why people still sook about it is because they need someone to blame when things don't go there way...the GT-R was the easy target because it didn't have a Ford or Holden badge on it.

Precisely...even though the Sierra that Dick drove was every bit as high tech and even more foreign than the Skyline. At least if you had the cash you could go into your Nissan dealer and buy a GTR...but Sierras were unavailable in this country and couldn't even meet our emissions requirements.

One of the most idiotic things I've heard is from Nissan fans about the Altima..."they'll win and get banned like the old days"

It is an understandable sentiment though, because it's happened before in a quite blatantly obvious way, and history does have a way of repeating itself.
Although I would say, I'd be really interested to see what would happen if the Nissans (and Volvo and others coming soon) started winning regularly over the Ford and Holden...

[4stanger]

Originally Posted by 2011G6E

At least if you had the cash you could go into your Nissan dealer and buy a GTR.

Same statement could be said for the Sierra......
If you had the cash you could have a Sierra (not from a local Ford dealer)

Dick had one as a road car in this country, a couple of other wealthy people would have imported them as road cars back then too, sure you would have a difficult time making a warranty claim at your local ford dealer, Kiwis sold base sierras brand new back then also.

Dick was going to a cosworth all wheel drive escort to take on Godzilla next.
But as others have previously said the interest was going off a bit with the general public and cars they were struggling to identify, history will show that the right decision was made at the time, the right decision for all the $takeholders that is.

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by Nikked

So Dick shouldn't have won his first Bathurst in '81?

Originally Posted by castellan

No ! Brock hit the rock as well.

Dicky boy hit it and big deal, if he missed it good on him but he hit it, to bad so sad. to be truthful.

Someone hit a roo once down conrod, gee that looked good !

If you crash to bad the race goes on in my book.

I have no favorites, it is what it is a race not a bloody idolatry of the drivers to me.

I do take my hat off to all of the drivers but i do like to see the small teams get a win, big boys crash good the little ones may have a chance.

WTF? Your response to what you quoted makes no sense, unless you think Dick hit the rock in 1981 instead of 1980...and that after hitting the rock Dick was declared the winner rather than a DNF.

As for "if you crash too bad the race goes on in my book" - you really do have no idea what happened in '81, do you? Maybe a monster truck could have continued racing that day.

Makes your earlier post where you reference "the real fans" quite laughable.

[Mulga]

Originally Posted by supershifty

I didn't think my simple question would spark a debate - all good!

I gave up on youtube and went in search of a dvd, all I found were highlights and histories - not the full race. I did find one fella that would burn me a 5 disc set for a small fee + postage. Another bloke would download the entire Bathurst races to a 1tB HDD that you mailed to him. Hmmm, nope.

I turned to fleabay hoping for a 2nd hand set. I've found a seller in the UK with some new ones and have asked him some questions about run time, what's on it etc. Haven't heard back as yet.

Here's the link: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Bathurst-...item1e77c80bb7 If any of you has the actual DVD box set, does the pic in the ad look anything like it? Details about number of discs and running time would be appreciated as well.

Cheers!

I have the boxed DVD called "The Great Race" which covers the period 1960-2001 and has 6 DVDs, with highlights of each race.

The Turbolent Years DVD covers 1986-1992 and includes the podium presentation of 1992. Each race highlights package goes for about 20mins. The pic in the ad is different to the one in the box set that I have, which has a pic of the DJR Shell Sierra #17.

There's one on eBay for $15.00....Bathurst The Great Race Vol 4 - Mount Panorama 1986 - 1992 - DVD - Free Postage.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Iggle Piggle

WTF? Your response to what you quoted makes no sense, unless you think Dick hit the rock in 1981 instead of 1980...and that after hitting the rock Dick was declared the winner rather than a DNF.

As for "if you crash too bad the race goes on in my book" - you really do have no idea what happened in '81, do you? Maybe a monster truck could have continued racing that day.

Makes your earlier post where you reference "the real fans" quite laughable.

I did not refer to it as 1981 did i, but old mate was talking about the rock bro. that is what i thought he was on about any road but thanks bro that all fine to ask.

If you seen the Bathurst race for years it's a joke when ever there is a crash or brakedown out comes the tow trucks and they all drive around lap after lap like taxi's. some race boring and backward and corupt ! the track is so out of date it needs a in road so there is no need for a tow truck on the track stoping and destroying a good race. you can have a big crash blocking of the track and all you do is wipe them of the track and go for it again, it's called a 1000 km race bro, so 1000 km it is i don't care who crashes.
I like to see a good race not boring crapy socialist type rubbish. I race my self bro. and i have no intrest in points at all, that's not racing, who wins wins at the end of the day in my book not panzie politics.

As for real fans yep i know a lot who were and they do not even bother to watch nowdays because it's boring and a load of USA type of big money rubbish that lost the plot with the true holden vs ford thing, bring back good old aussie raceing i say, the people loved it back then, it stoped all of australia once with an intrest, not now bro.
V8 sound good and that is what people went up to hear not 4 cyl and turbos farting around, it was just un australian you know. the crowd loved v8's end of story.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by castellan

I did not refer to it as 1981 did i, but old mate was talking about the rock bro. that is what i thought he was on about any road but thanks bro that all fine to ask.

Wasn't talking about the rock, but the '81 race where a huge pile up blocked the track and red-flagged the race on lap 122. DJ's XD had a oil leak and who knows what would have happened if the race continued.

End of the day, Dick won is first Bathurst, nothing short of well earned...


So you can imagine when Jim and Skaife won, Bathurst in the same way (red flagged race, 2 lap count back to allow all cars to be included in the results), they were 100% in there own right to say what they did about the tired and drunk crowd...who seem to forget that the same paring won the same race a year before.

You can say what you like about "the car being unfair" etc etc...but until the home grown 5l formula came into effect, there was always a factor of having the best equipment over the opposition.

Brock and Johnson also were "guilty" of having the little "unfair" edge on competitors...

[Iggle Piggle]

Originally Posted by castellan

[lots of crap and contradictions]...end of story.

And a cool story it was bro.

[castellan]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Wasn't talking about the rock, but the '81 race where a huge pile up blocked the track and red-flagged the race on lap 122. DJ's XD had a oil leak and who knows what would have happened if the race continued.

End of the day, Dick won is first Bathurst, nothing short of well earned...


So you can imagine when Jim and Skaife won, Bathurst in the same way (red flagged race, 2 lap count back to allow all cars to be included in the results), they were 100% in there own right to say what they did about the tired and drunk crowd...who seem to forget that the same paring won the same race a year before.

You can say what you like about "the car being unfair" etc etc...but until the home grown 5l formula came into effect, there was always a factor of having the best equipment over the opposition.

Brock and Johnson also were "guilty" of having the little "unfair" edge on competitors...

The mob had every right to say and do what they did as so did old mate as well big deal. how can you bag the mob they were in there right to do what they did and they were not tired at all but p ed off. and old mate had his 2c worth.

There was always a factor of having the better equipment so what, it's holden vs ford not ford vs ford with badges holden ford.

Idiots destroyed the true aussie ford vs holden as you could not go and support ford or holden being the better car unless you were a fool. it lost it's aussie spirit and became just people idolising drivers only and big money powering corruption.

1981 crash and a oil leak ? i think i have seen oil leaks before, that's what the flags are for, no big deal. 1000 km come hell or high water that's the real winner.
It puts a real downer on the race when they stop the race as people came to see a true 1000 km race. anything other could be seen as corruption.

[Raptor]

The OP had his question answered in post 2.

Since then this has gone off in a whole different tangent and is now just going around in circles (lol, that's circuit racing for you).

If you want to keep debating rules, who should have won what when or even what it means to be a true Aussie racing fan go start another thread.

This ones run it's course.

CLOSED.