Apparently this is the Commodore's replacement - Page 2

**russellw** · 03-03-2016, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

It should not be called a Commodore if it is not RWD or have V8 as an option.
What are Holden smoking if they think the public will buy this.
Rest the name until something comes along that warrants the name at least.

The public will buy it for the same reason they buy the Cruze which is hardly a world beater by any standards you care to apply. The absence of a V8 will have some impact to volume but not the majority of it and the larger percentage of the buying public couldn't care (or even know) which end was driving.

Cheers
Russ

MethodX · 03-03-2016, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

surely you troll, the mondeo is a great looker for its price point and above. that other thing is just a mess of angles,

take off your holden blinkers.

on a side not that was nearly a complement for a import, thats a lot of growth for you

The Mondeo is ok, just a tad ummmmm plain.
not helped by those fugly wheels.

the insignia, even the current one looks better

**Giant Cranium** · 03-03-2016, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tempted

Holden blinkers pffft, what's that got to do with anything?
I was comparing the looks of two cars on face value, nothing more nothing less.
Just about everyone I speak to about cars comments about how ugly the Mondeo and whale mouthed Fords in general are, so I don't think I'm the one with the blinkers.

but you are nothing but praise for holden, even ugly ones, i definitely am open minded, my next car will be a vf ss wagon or a ranger. i take all cars on their merits and judge accordingly.

it looks like even russ has had enough of your posts

Vesper Martini · 03-03-2016, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tempted

Just about everyone I speak to about cars comments about how ugly the Mondeo and whale mouthed Fords in general are, so I don't think I'm the one with the blinkers.

I recon every car manufacturer should get your advice. and then do the exact opposite.

oh wait they already are

Olbucko · 03-03-2016, 12:58 PM

Comment from the Drive website on Commodore replacement, classic!

"I saw a guy polishing his Epica in his driveway once. I had to stop for a look as I've never actually seen anyone polish a **** before."

Windsor220 · 03-03-2016, 01:38 PM

I find it bizarre someone would spend so much time on a forum for a car manufacturer they hate. It would be like me joining a Great Wall site and just bagging the crap out of them every day. Surely there are better things to do.

Trump · 03-03-2016, 01:50 PM

Play nice kids.

Trump · 03-03-2016, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tempted

You never know, maybe if Ford actually listened to people like me they could improve their mediocre sales in this country.
How they thought that anything with a face like the Mondeo could sell here is beyond me.

Tempted, the product was only a small part of the problem. The Ford name is toxic in Australia primarily due to the the dealers. Their "they all do it" attitude when it came to warranty concerns is still leaving a sour taste in many mouths.

The next problem was (and I contend still is) marketing; it is non-existent apart from a few advertisements for Focus and the odd Ranger one. They could have been no.1 had they made the most of the momentum gained with the B-series Falcon and Territory. Yet they rested on their laurels and this is the result.

The perceived lack of quality from the local product didn't help Ford. There are numerous examples of B and F-series Falcons rusting way too early (boot lap joint in the BA/BF's and overall poor body preparation in the FG) which contributed to this perception. The perception of the local product being a gas-guzzler also contributed, despite the BF and FG product having way above average fuel economy.

So before you go and rant about the "whale mouth" being the death of Ford, please reconsider.

GTP534 · 03-03-2016, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

it looks like even russ has had enough of your posts

Is it possible to be able to "like" the comments made when a post is deleted?

**GasoLane** · 03-03-2016, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTP534

Is it possible to be able to "like" the comments made when a post is deleted?

Kinda hard to 'like' something that's not there.

Vesper Martini · 03-03-2016, 02:38 PM

If the Mondeo doesn't sell in Australia then its not the Mondeos' fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naMdNlwYX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A0M8JS3_Pk

What does this new commodore replacement have that the Mondeo doesn't do better.
and IMO is a great looking car.
That face is copied from the DB9. nuff said

T-Pak Addict · 03-03-2016, 03:35 PM

Has anyone actually looked around on their daily commute??
All I see are sad faces in 4 cylinder ****boxes and soccer mums in there SUV's....

In china you can buy LPG for 9 cents a litre.... Yes 9 cents a litre!!!
And its Australian LPG exported to them!!!! We are getting ripped on so many levels....

**Fordman1** · 03-03-2016, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Giant Cranium

surely you troll, the mondeo is a great looker for its price point and above. that other thing is just a mess of angles,

take off your holden blinkers.

on a side not that was nearly a complement for a import, thats a lot of growth for you

Well done by Russ to delete the Holden trolls' post.

The troll has nothing to add here.

The Mondeo is a good looking car - I think the hatch is a bit too swoopy through the tailgate though. Just my opinion.

MethodX · 03-03-2016, 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

If the Mondeo doesn't sell in Australia then its not the Mondeos' fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naMdNlwYX6o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A0M8JS3_Pk

What does this new commodore replacement have that the Mondeo doesn't do better.
and IMO is a great looking car.
That face is copied from the DB9. nuff said

If you like Aston Martins ok.
personally I don't, so copying it for every ford car even on ones it doesn't suit is a bit much.

JC · 03-03-2016, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by superroo

Never let facts get in the way of a good story

Mondeo
Length 4871 (mm)
Width 1852 (mm)
Height 1482 (mm)
Wheelbase 2850 (mm)

Falcon
Length 4949 (mm)
Width 1868 (mm)
Height 1494 (mm)
Wheelbase 2838 (mm)

Also, Insigna width isn't that wide. That measurement is with the mirrors out

70mm or less than 3" isn't much difference in length (that's what I tell the missus, anyway) - the rest of the measurements are line-ball, so I'd say Mondeo is a large car, perhaps sold here currently as mid sized to make it seem like it fits between falcon and laser.....oops, focus.

Ford should bring the V6 turbo AWD Interceptor from the US and stick a falcon badge on that.

Falcman0o7 · 03-03-2016, 10:30 PM

This will be good! :P
I'm so glad ford just stopped with the falcon and preserved it as it was and didn't do anything like this!

The mighty falcon soon to be with the valiants.
The commodore will be remembered as a front wheel drive cruze lemon by the time it ends.

malazn mafia · 03-03-2016, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JC

70mm or less than 3" isn't much difference in length (that's what I tell the missus, anyway) - the rest of the measurements are line-ball, so I'd say Mondeo is a large car, perhaps sold here currently as mid sized to make it seem like it fits between falcon and laser.....oops, focus.

Ford should bring the V6 turbo AWD Interceptor from the US and stick a falcon badge on that.

Now that the Australian government has completely wrecked our motor industry, finish what they started and start treating us like adults and scrap ADR, allow us to import whatever vehicles LHD/RHD from wherever we want and allow LHD cars to be driven on our roads freely, even if it means needing to stick a Left Hand Drive sticker on the rear.

. pretty sure the only people to oppose this would be Mercedes-Benz Australia who will be dragged kicking and screaming that they no longer have the right to print money.

MethodX · 03-03-2016, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

This will be good! :P
I'm so glad ford just stopped with the falcon and preserved it as it was and didn't do anything like this!

The mighty falcon soon to be with the valiants.
The commodore will be remembered as a front wheel drive cruze lemon by the time it ends.

4wd twin turbo sounds good to me.
So that's why Mondeo, fiesta's, kugas and ecosports don't sell... fwd festiva lemons.

Falcman0o7 · 04-03-2016, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodX

4wd twin turbo sounds good to me.
So that's why Mondeo, fiesta's, kugas and ecosports don't sell... fwd festiva lemons.

4x4 twin turbo commodore? No..It doesn't. Besides it will just bust like the other crap holden import.

MethodX · 04-03-2016, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

4x4 twin turbo commodore? No..It doesn't. Besides it will just bust like the other crap holden import.

4wd, twin turbo sounds great... bring it on, for the performance variants.

Bust like those Thai Fords huh....

Falcman0o7 · 04-03-2016, 05:03 PM

People buy rear wheel drive V8 commodore's for a reason. A weird looking twin turbo 4x4 commodore is stupid, and I seriously doubt the thai fords would bust as much as the Korean crap holden shove their badges on.

tapeworm · 04-03-2016, 05:28 PM

many peeps will think it's Australian. I'm sure it will be marketed with kangaroos hopping around in the background to give this impression, ha!

**Giant Cranium** · 05-03-2016, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodX

If you like Aston Martins ok.
personally I don't, so copying it for every ford car even on ones it doesn't suit is a bit much.

you don't like aston martins?

to me its like saying margot robbie is rough.

Maka · 05-03-2016, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tapeworm

many peeps will think it's Australian. I'm sure it will be marketed with kangaroos hopping around in the background to give this impression, ha!

There are hefty penalties for false advertising lol, I expect Holden to trump up the German angle when released, ie quality, strength, innovation, etc. Time will tell if its a good thing or not.

cheer's, Maka

P6LTD351 · 05-03-2016, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maka

There are hefty penalties for false advertising lol, I expect Holden to trump up the German angle when released, ie quality, strength, innovation, etc. Time will tell if its a good thing or not.

cheer's, Maka

If GM were smart, they'd get rid of the Holden name altogether...unless they want to start up a new horse drawn carriage subsidiary.

P6LTD351 · 05-03-2016, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MethodX

4wd, twin turbo sounds great... bring it on, for the performance variants.

Bust like those Thai Fords huh....

Are you and Tempted girlfriends or the same person? Fact is...the next Commodore is FWD...sure the performance variants MAY be 4WD...but the damage is done. It's not a Holden and it's not a Commodore. I can remove my Falcon badge and stick a Mustang badge on it. Still not a Mustang. LS1 Forums getting boring these days??? Or is it sour grapes that there will not be a HOLDEN V8. Even if Corvette or Camaro come over here...they will be Chevs...not Holden. The Holden V8 is dead.

**thefargo** · 05-03-2016, 03:53 PM

Whilst I wouldn't buy it, I think the paint scheme on the first post pics looks better than the red paint scheme on the later post.

Tassie f100 · 05-03-2016, 03:58 PM

When you look at the photos of the real vehicle it,s a nice looking bit of gear.Problem with the Mustang is that only being a 2 door Ford are only going to get about 10-15% of the potential sales that they would have got with a 4 door version alongside the 2 door

Sprintey · 05-03-2016, 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

The mighty falcon soon to be with the valiants.

It will be in VALHALLA! It will get to race and burn rubber all day, and feast on fuel every night!

Tassie f100 · 05-03-2016, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by P6LTD351

Are you and Tempted girlfriends or the same person? Fact is...the next Commodore is FWD...sure the performance variants MAY be 4WD...but the damage is done. It's not a Holden and it's not a Commodore. I can remove my Falcon badge and stick a Mustang badge on it. Still not a Mustang. LS1 Forums getting boring these days??? Or is it sour grapes that there will not be a HOLDEN V8. Even if Corvette or Camaro come over here...they will be Chevs...not Holden. The Holden V8 is dead.

Well the first Commodore was really a rejigged Opel so I guess GM Australia has done a complete circle.Must remember the first Falcon was an American copy