Post Falcon

[fgpsi]

Stuff da turass

hideous thing

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by Sabantien

I'm hoping to get a good few years yet out of my Falcon.
Based on what's around at the moment? I pretty much want a Mustang.
I'd like the 8, but that's closing in on 1k rego here in Queensland, so I think the EcoBoost would do me just fine.

I also like the look of the new Mondeos, and the Trend is better specced than my G6E.
But I don't know how i'll go with a slower car. It feels like the only way is up, and I may not enjoy driving it.

Actually, the lack of digital speedo bugs me too. I've really come to enjoy having one!

I'd love a Mustang too, but there's no way I can have two toys and for me the Typhoon trumps the stang every day of the week, so no Mustang.

Mondeo looks nice has lots of kit, but it isn't a 'desirable'car for me. So why spells money on something that I don't 'want'? I'm not an A to B kind of guy, which means I want something I don't want to get out of.

And an SUV, only for the wife! And that's only because she 'wants one' just that little more than a V8 falcon. And it has to be a performance luxury SUV at that. F6X is the desired SUV for her or the Ghia Turbo. Otherwise again, is a German SUV with get up and go.

[jimt3te50]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Taurus is LHD only, and Ford Australia have already ruled out a replacement for Falcon, Mondeo will be the big car.

Yay??

[Cav]

What about motoring magazines?

I find that I am not interested in many of the cars featured in motoring magazines. It seems they either SUVs or more expensive European cars.

I didn't realise how much I read about Falcons and Commodores and after the final cars from these manufacturers are gone I probably won't be buying the car magazines.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

Stuff da turass

hideous thing

Really? Sure, it's a bit 'Americanised' but I still think it looks pretty good...

[fgpsi]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

Really? Sure, it's a bit 'Americanised' but I still think it looks pretty good...

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The asian version looks better, more like the falcon

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

The asian version looks better, more like the falcon

7th gen made in China Taurus looks like a stretched Fusion/Mondeo, both are built from the same platform. but its 4" longer even that the American Taurus

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...led-for-china/

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

7th gen made in China Taurus looks like a stretched Fusion/Mondeo, both are built from the same platform. but its 4" longer even that the American Taurus

http://www.automobilemag.com/news/20...led-for-china/

Interior space is a huge selling point for the Chinese! That's why Audi offer the (L) versions here amongst other manufacturers with lengthened versions.

I wonder where the extra 4 inches actually is. Before the rear wheels for cabin space, after for boot space or a bit of both? Anyone know if the Chinese Taurus is FWD, AWD or RWD (highly doubt it's RWD though, even though Chinese like RWD too)

[superroo]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

7th gen made in China Taurus looks like a stretched Fusion/Mondeo, both are built from the same platform.

No, different platforms. Fusion/Mondeo are CD4.1, Taurus is CD4.3
Same Family but different.

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

I wonder where the extra 4 inches actually is. Before the rear wheels for cabin space, after for boot space or a bit of both? Anyone know if the Chinese Taurus is FWD, AWD or RWD (highly doubt it's RWD though, even though Chinese like RWD too)

Rear Doors. It is also wider.
FWD only.

[Vesper Martini]

Originally Posted by superroo

No, different platforms. Fusion/Mondeo are CD4.1, Taurus is CD4.3
Same Family but different.

Fair enough, just quoting the article. I guess its a variation because of the length change.

So why do the Chinese prefer the bigger back seat?
I would generalise that they are shorter than Americans, but they did have that giant 7ft6 basketball player..

[Bossxr8]

High numbers of chauffeured owners isn't it?

[Mr Brooksy]

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Fair enough, just quoting the article. I guess its a variation because of the length change.

So why do the Chinese prefer the bigger back seat?
I would generalise that they are shorter than Americans, but they did have that giant 7ft6 basketball player..

Yes, they are generally shorter. The south is shorter (where I live) about 5 foot 5 inches and the closer to Russia you get the taller they are! I literally walk around and the top of their heads reach my arm pit.

The space in the back is about luxury feel. The more room in the back seat (many with money will have a driver) the more they feel it's a status symbol. Sports cars are not nearly as sort after as we are used to in Australia. They want the status symbol.

But we digress...

[superroo]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

High numbers of chauffeured owners isn't it?

Correct. Not many owner drivers.

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by fgpsi

The asian version looks better, more like the falcon

And so it should considering Ford Aust sketched it....

[Qwerty321]

That Chinese Taurus actually looks really nice, wouldn't mind one of those myself.

Honestly speaking, post falcon I'll probably be looking at whatever sedan ford's offering or an Insignia. I definitely can't do with any less than a 6 cylinder, that's for certain.

Ideally speaking a Taurus would be a great replacement for the falcon. Especially the SHO, with the 3.5L V6 AWD.

[roddy1960]

G'day all....watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUEQHn7GtGA This is a review that says it all...."Trying to satisfy a Global market doesn't work for all"...My point from this is this....IF Ford indeed do bring the Mondeo to Australia to replace Falcon the they'd better leave the ****y little ecoboost engines out of it and focus on the V6's , 2.5's ecoboosts etc..not on stuff like this in the review...PLEASE LISTEN FORD...Cheers Rod..

[danzvtil]

Looking in the ford global portfolio for a falcon replacement is just wishing upon a star, its not going to happen. Why engineer the chinese Taurus for AU when they will sell less than 5k a year?
Mitsubishi never replaced the 380, and holden, well, holden keep smiling and nodding their heads when talking about a commodore replacement, all we will end up with is insignia/Malibu based which no commodore driver will buy.

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

NUP...Can't ever consider a Hyundai...they sponsor Carlton..No way can I have that..It's bad enough my Tigers have Jeep on their guernsey...The Jeep joke is ..Salesman says as you drive from the dealership "Do you want a tool kit with that ". Here you go fella's Mondeo Titanium AWD There she is !!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaOgPe9aUbM Then ,get your suits on boys and try this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORrluPgi828 ..You can stick your bowler hat on the back seat . Then there's this one..0-400 metres timed with an hour glass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Bz...o#t=608.704717 Already hankering for the old days of the 4.0 litre six. There'd better be a V6 in there somewhere if Ford does bring this to OZ ... What do you think of that ? .....Cheers Rod..

Roddy! You Tasmanian dingbat , Numbat ... whatever .. LOL
Nobody in their right mind ties their car purchase to a footy guernsey! ... unless you're a Broncos supporter.

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by danzvtil

Looking in the ford global portfolio for a falcon replacement is just wishing upon a star, its not going to happen. Why engineer the chinese Taurus for AU when they will sell less than 5k a year?
Mitsubishi never replaced the 380, and holden, well, holden keep smiling and nodding their heads when talking about a commodore replacement, all we will end up with is insignia/Malibu based which no commodore driver will buy.

Holden wants to satisfy fleet buyers with a commodore replacement and it's working. Holden said they'd keep the commodore going and the NZPF renewed the contract for 2017 onwards. The police are keen to keep the patrol cars commodore's and thats whats happening.

Mind you the insignia isnt a bad piece of kit. Sure I would never take and Insignia or Mondeo over a falcodore. But once the falcodores are gone, you can't buy something that doesn't exist. If everything in the market is the same imported V6 or Turbo 4 and there's no homegrown V8s or large sedans (aside from the 300C, which I'd never get cause there isn't enough spare parts) then I might as well buy a car with a badge I like.

P.S. have you ever driven an Insignia VXR? They're not too bad! They're actually really good. Hate how the cars look though.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Roddy! You Tasmanian dingbat , Numbat ... whatever .. LOL
Nobody in their right mind ties their car purchase to a footy guernsey! ... unless you're a Broncos supporter.

..G'day Pedro...Not unless it's Carlton..There are standards you know..If Hyundai stopped supporting Holden their sales would increase by 50% straight away...God , I hate Carlton..even more than Collingwood if that's possible...Would not buy a Hyundai either ..nice cars just not for me...GOD I HATE CARLTON...Cost me block after block of chocolate for years and years..The groundsman and I have a Family Block on the Carlton -Richmond game each time for the past 15 years...It would have been cheaper for me to buy out Cadbury's such was Carlton's winning streak..Only in the past couple of years have I got a couple back..GOD I HATE CARLTON..Quess what though..Brendan Bolton the coach is actually my first cousin Diane's son..but I still hate Carlton..The scars of the 1972 and 1982 Grand Finals run deep...Cheers Rod...

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

That Chinese Taurus actually looks really nice, wouldn't mind one of those myself.

Honestly speaking, post falcon I'll probably be looking at whatever sedan ford's offering or an Insignia. I definitely can't do with any less than a 6 cylinder, that's for certain.

Ideally speaking a Taurus would be a great replacement for the falcon. Especially the SHO, with the 3.5L V6 AWD.

G'day Qwerty..I agree totally but everyone seems to think it'll be Mondeo..If it is Mondeo I hope they give us the bigger engine options at least..I would NEVER buy a 1.5 Ecoboost in a pink fit..Might be okay for Europe but not for our temperatures and vast distances..The Taurus 3.5 litre V6 twin turbo AWD...Now we're talkin'..That just might bring sales back a little bit..Somehow I reckon though it'll be limited numbers "test the waters" a bit like Mustang for a while if and when Falcon is replaced..Cheers Rod..

[MethodX]

Taurus SHO is a nice bit of kit.... but why would they bring it when the sedan market is cactus here?
Performance market is covered by the Mustang.

Insignia looks tempting.... OPC version please.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Taurus SHO is a nice bit of kit.... but why would they bring it when the sedan market is cactus here?
Performance market is covered by the Mustang.

Insignia looks tempting.... OPC version please.

G'day..I'm not convinced that the sedan market is cactus..I think that since open market basically since import taxes declined there are so many different sedan/hatch choices and draw off each other..and probably why , coupled with the glut of small SUV's all over the place why Falcon and Commodore have suffered so badly..If and only if Ford introduced an attractive Taurus/Mondeo in limited numbers AND...marketed it enthusiastically you never know..No way though will anyone sell anything in the heyday of Falcon (70-90,000) units a year. Those days are long gone I'd suggest..Re rebadging ..we call it Holden Barina but in the US pretty much the exact identical car made by Chevrolet is the Sonic/ Spark..In this country just say an Australian ised version of the Taurus was re badged as Falcon ..would it make any difference or Commodore name stayed on Malibu ..I have absolutely no idea...Cheers Rod...

[Qwerty321]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day..I'm not convinced that the sedan market is cactus..I think that since open market basically since import taxes declined there are so many different sedan/hatch choices and draw off each other..and probably why , coupled with the glut of small SUV's all over the place why Falcon and Commodore have suffered so badly..If and only if Ford introduced an attractive Taurus/Mondeo in limited numbers AND...marketed it enthusiastically you never know..No way though will anyone sell anything in the heyday of Falcon (70-90,000) units a year. Those days are long gone I'd suggest..Re rebadging ..we call it Holden Barina but in the US pretty much the exact identical car made by Chevrolet is the Sonic/ Spark..In this country just say an Australian ised version of the Taurus was re badged as Falcon ..would it make any difference or Commodore name stayed on Malibu ..I have absolutely no idea...Cheers Rod...

I wish Ford would keep the falcon badge going. Lets just look back and realise that the falcodores started of imports, were even mid sized cars (had 4 banger at one point) and are now V8 large sedans. It's all just the evolution of a car to suit it's market. If the next Taurus or whatever is imported here as the "replacement" for the falcon, then I'm all for them badging it as a falcon. At the end of the day, if I'm driving the same car, I'd much rather call it a falcon than a mondeo/taurus.

[danzvtil]

Originally Posted by Qwerty321

Holden wants to satisfy fleet buyers with a commodore replacement and it's working. Holden said they'd keep the commodore going and the NZPF renewed the contract for 2017 onwards. The police are keen to keep the patrol cars commodore's and thats whats happening.

Mind you the insignia isnt a bad piece of kit. Sure I would never take and Insignia or Mondeo over a falcodore. But once the falcodores are gone, you can't buy something that doesn't exist. If everything in the market is the same imported V6 or Turbo 4 and there's no homegrown V8s or large sedans (aside from the 300C, which I'd never get cause there isn't enough spare parts) then I might as well buy a car with a badge I like.

P.S. have you ever driven an Insignia VXR? They're not too bad! They're actually really good. Hate how the cars look though.

But Kiwi, that's the point, the fleets don't even want them anymore.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

IF Ford indeed do bring the Mondeo to Australia to replace Falcon the they'd better leave the ****y little ecoboost engines out of it

Originally Posted by roddy1960

If it is Mondeo I hope they give us the bigger engine options at least..I would NEVER buy a 1.5 Ecoboost in a pink fit

Is it still 1980 in Tasmania?

1. The Mondeo IS here, there's no "if" about it.
2. The "****y little ecoboost" engines have 20kW more power than your AU and will leave it for dead at the lights.
3. We're not getting the 1.5 Ecoboost in the Mondeo. It's either a 2.0-litre Ecoboost or a 2.0-litre diesel.

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by NX74205

Is it still 1980 in Tasmania?

1. The Mondeo IS here, there's no "if" about it.
2. The "****y little ecoboost" engines have 20kW more power than your AU and will leave it for dead at the lights.
3. We're not getting the 1.5 Ecoboost in the Mondeo. It's either a 2.0-litre Ecoboost or a 2.0-litre diesel.

G'day.. No it's 1986 in Tasmania actually , were only 30 years behind the rest.not 36 years .we have two heads , and we just got electricity..AND no the deisel , 0-62 mph quoted in that video I was referring to in 12 plus seconds would NOT leave my AU at the lights.but even if it did how can you possibly know the reliability , repair and suitability of Mondeo will rival AU or anycomparable Falcon model yet. .Come back and tell us that in 15-16 years .You totally missed my point.. No offense but the Mondeo currently on the Ford Vehicles listing is not recognised as Falcon replacement..yet...and that's what we're talking about here..Read the whole thread mate..IF Ford officially announces that the Mondeo or Taurus WILL BE targeting the Family large car market once the last Falcon rolls off the assembly line on October 7th..then fair enough..No matter how good the 1.5 litre engine in the vid I watched is..and IF it was optional for Australia you'd have to wonder how it'd cope with Aussie conditions over time..We don't like small capacity engines..so the V6 has to have a better chance of selling here surely..Lot's of AFF comments already say this..Cheers Rod..

[BFGasUte]

Hello,

I hope there is something coming we havnt been told about. I like RWD, all serious Cars are that or AWD. Tow bar, every 2nd Falcon has one. FWD are scary to drive at the best of times, put some weight on a Tow Bar and see how you go. ( without all the electronic rubbish they fit to try and make them safe )

[Giant Cranium]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

G'day.. No it's 1986 in Tasmania actually , were only 30 years behind the rest.not 36 years .we have two heads , and we just got electricity..AND no the deisel , 0-62 mph quoted in that video I was referring to in 12 plus seconds would NOT leave my AU at the lights.but even if it did how can you possibly know the reliability , repair and suitability of Mondeo will rival AU or anycomparable Falcon model yet. .Come back and tell us that in 15-16 years .You totally missed my point.. No offense but the Mondeo currently on the Ford Vehicles listing is not recognised as Falcon replacement..yet...and that's what we're talking about here..Read the whole thread mate..IF Ford officially announces that the Mondeo or Taurus WILL BE targeting the Family large car market once the last Falcon rolls off the assembly line on October 7th..then fair enough..No matter how good the 1.5 litre engine in the vid I watched is..and IF it was optional for Australia you'd have to wonder how it'd cope with Aussie conditions over time..We don't like small capacity engines..so the V6 has to have a better chance of selling here surely..Lot's of AFF comments already say this..Cheers Rod..

😵🔫 you kill me.

[Sabantien]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

. No offense but the Mondeo currently on the Ford Vehicles listing is not recognised as Falcon replacement..yet...and that's what we're talking about here..Read the whole thread mate..IF Ford officially announces that the Mondeo or Taurus WILL BE targeting the Family large car market once the last Falcon rolls off the assembly line on October 7th..then fair enough..

Kind of like this?

Instead of introducing traditional large cars, Ford will focus on the new generation Mondeo as its largest passenger car presence. Marginally larger than its predecessor, the high-tech hatch and wagon range is expected to launch in February 2015.

“The new Mondeo is clearly a new generation car and it is a good sized car. It won’t replace Falcon [directly] but it will be our medium to large car entry,” Wilkinson said.

http://www.motoring.com.au/mondeo-is...big-car-47701/