Happy Birthday Barra! - Page 2

BAWITHLOT · 03-12-2017, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The Barra name was, as mentioned, in reference to the whole BA programme but was later used to name the engine line up. If we want to be technical, the naturally aspirated engines were code named "Dingo" and the turbo was "Gull".

I don't seem to remember Ford making any reference to Barra for FG onwards, both at the time of launch or in promotional stuff like brochures and website specs.

So what was the Barra 220 code name?

**DFB FGXR6** · 03-12-2017, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

So what was the Barra 220 code name?

Not sure. Most of the media information at the time focused on the locally developed 6.

**GO FURTHER** · 03-12-2017, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

The Barra name was, as mentioned, in reference to the whole BA programme but was later used to name the engine line up. If we want to be technical, the naturally aspirated engines were code named "Dingo" and the turbo was "Gull".

"Gull" was the shortened name.
"Seagull" was the full code name for the Barra 240T because "Seagulls soar high and they **** on everything". ... True story.

chrisandsharon · 03-12-2017, 09:53 PM

Ford Barra .......

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Barra_engine

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Bossxr8 · 03-12-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

The BA was the first 'Barra'. DOHC plus VCT.

Same bottom end as all previous 4.0 SOHC so just the head design was totally new.

There were significant revisions to the ba bottom end. The oil pump was crank mounted and it copped a redesign of the block, crank and timing cover to do it. Pistons got new valve reliefs for the 4 valve heads and the conrods got oil squirters.

The changes were big enough to basically call it an all new engine. There was only a handful of carry over parts.

I reckon i must have had a hand in building at least 800,000-1,000,000 of these things between 2002-2015. At a rough guest.

Syndrome · 04-12-2017, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Seems roughly around 15 years ago Ford released the XR6 Turbo.
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Always been a massive fan of it and now own one, some interesting stuff i didnt know in the below article.
https://www.motormag.com.au/features...t-supercharged

Picked up the magazine aswell.

It was released 20 years too late!

Dr Terry · 04-12-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Mechan1k

Yeah ... its still known as the Barra 195 in the non-turbo guise at least.

Yes but by whom ? It doesn't seem that it was an official Ford term.

Dr Terry

Dr Terry · 04-12-2017, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by BAWITHLOT

So what was the Barra 220 code name?

This was my point, the Barra 220 (BA) & Barra 230 (BF) were 5.4 V8s, not 6-cyl engines.

Dr Terry

ford_17 · 04-12-2017, 09:33 AM

Good article here...wow where has 15 years gone ?

http://www.autospeed.com/cms/article...ar-Leap&A=1523

Mercury Bullet · 04-12-2017, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

This was my point, the Barra 220 (BA) & Barra 230 (BF) were 5.4 V8s, not 6-cyl engines.

Dr Terry

Being fully imported wouldnt it be the yanks giving it a codename?

No foa input on this motor as far as I know.

**GO FURTHER** · 04-12-2017, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

This was my point, the Barra 220 (BA) & Barra 230 (BF) were 5.4 V8s, not 6-cyl engines.

Dr Terry

The code name Barra applied to both six cylinder & V8 3V engines manufactured by Ford Australia between 2002 and 2016.

GASWAGON · 04-12-2017, 09:28 PM

Well i'll be damned i've been majorly corrected.

I always thought the 'Barra' name was for 4.0 DOHC straight 6's only.

Dr Terry · 05-12-2017, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CoolBFWagon

Well i'll be damned i've been majorly corrected.

I always thought the 'Barra' name was for 4.0 DOHC straight 6's only.

Well it does appear from the posts above that the Barra name was for the BA/BF platform, not the the 6-cyl engine.

Dr Terry

**GO FURTHER** · 05-12-2017, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Well it does appear from the posts above that the Barra name was for the BA/BF platform, not the the 6-cyl engine.

Dr Terry

... and the FG / FG X platforms including Sprint 6.

**DJM83** · 05-12-2017, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

The code name Barra applied to both six cylinder & V8 3V engines manufactured by Ford Australia between 2002 and 2016.

Correct.
Spotted this at a DSI Auction a few months ago, looked like it has hardly been used aswell.

Dr Terry · 05-12-2017, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

... and the FG / FG X platforms including Sprint 6.

Yes, but it doesn't seem to rate a mention in any FG or FG-X literature.

Dr Terry

chrisandsharon · 05-12-2017, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yes, but it doesn't seem to rate a mention in any FG or FG-X literature.

Dr Terry

In what way Dr Terry - the Barra was manufactured through to 2016 which covers the FG/FGX

chrisandsharon · 05-12-2017, 11:44 AM

The Barra 270/310/325 is also mentioned in the link in post #36.

The link ford 17 put up in #39 is a great read too

Dr Terry · 05-12-2017, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

In what way Dr Terry - the Barra was manufactured through to 2016 which covers the FG/FGX

Yes, but where ? They get several mentions in BA & BF sales brochures, but nowhere in FG etc. or anywhere else that I can find.

I'm happy to be corrected on this but I believe the whole Barra name for 6-cyls up to 2016 is just a colloquial nickname & not official Ford usage at all.

Dr Terry

Dr Terry · 05-12-2017, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisandsharon

The Barra 270/310/325 is also mentioned in the link in post #36.

The link ford 17 put up in #39 is a great read too

Both of those are just magazine articles. This is were most myths & falsehoods originate.

So what we are saying is that a nickname coined by a motoring journo becomes fact if enough people use it, no matter how incorrect it might be.

Dr Terry

commodorenutt · 05-12-2017, 01:32 PM

It's 48-215 vs FX all over again.....

Bossxr8 · 05-12-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Being fully imported wouldnt it be the yanks giving it a codename?

No foa input on this motor as far as I know.

Not entirely true. Manifolds were specific to Falcon. Plus a few other things to suit the Falcon engine bay. Although the engines were from the US.

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yes, but where ? They get several mentions in BA & BF sales brochures, but nowhere in FG etc. or anywhere else that I can find.

I'm happy to be corrected on this but I believe the whole Barra name for 6-cyls up to 2016 is just a colloquial nickname & not official Ford usage at all.

Dr Terry

I tend to agree with you on this. I think the Barra term was just carried over from BA by the public, but from what I can remember the internal codename for the engine was Orion, just like the FG was referred to in development. And at that stage the Barra engine was internally known as Copperhead due to the upgrades done for BF. Barra was used a lot through the whole life of the DOHC 6 but I don't recall Ford using the name officially for FG onwards. It's just that the public and the media still called it that.

**GO FURTHER** · 05-12-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yes, but where ? They get several mentions in BA & BF sales brochures, but nowhere in FG etc. or anywhere else that I can find.

I'm happy to be corrected on this but I believe the whole Barra name for 6-cyls up to 2016 is just a colloquial nickname & not official Ford usage at all.

Dr Terry

Well the BA engine blocks had the Barra name cast into the block.
Would be interesting to see if the FG or FG X blocks have also carried it over.
If so, that would be conclusive proof.

Can anyone who has a hoist or wants to crawl under their car with a torch confirm this?

P.S. - My mate with his FG Ute definitely has a Barra.... He calls it the Wheelbarra

**DJM83** · 05-12-2017, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GO FURTHER

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Well the BA engine blocks had the Barra name cast into the block.
Would be interesting to see if the FG or FG X blocks have also carried it over.
If so, that would be conclusive proof.

Can anyone who has a hoist or wants to crawl under their car with a torch confirm this?

P.S. - My mate with his FG Ute definitely has a Barra.... He calls it the Wheelbarra

Hahaha that's my Ute's name too

**DFB FGXR6** · 05-12-2017, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Not entirely true. Manifolds were specific to Falcon. Plus a few other things to suit the Falcon engine bay. Although the engines were from the US.

I tend to agree with you on this. I think the Barra term was just carried over from BA by the public, but from what I can remember the internal codename for the engine was Orion, just like the FG was referred to in development. And at that stage the Barra engine was internally known as Copperhead due to the upgrades done for BF. Barra was used a lot through the whole life of the DOHC 6 but I don't recall Ford using the name officially for FG onwards. It's just that the public and the media still called it that.

This.

From FG onwards Ford stopped officially using the Barra name for its engine line up. This didn't stop the media or enthusiasts using the name to describe FG I6's. And why not, it's a unique nickname and instantly recognisable what Barra means to those who love these magnificent engines.

https://fordforums.com.au/vbportal/v...?articleid=432
The above is the official press release for the FG series powertrains, again no reference to Barra in the naming of these engines.

FG50T · 05-12-2017, 05:50 PM

If the BarraT was available to Americans and Japanese it would be the #1 engine in the world no ifs or buts about it.

chrisandsharon · 05-12-2017, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr Terry

Yes, but where ? They get several mentions in BA & BF sales brochures, but nowhere in FG etc. or anywhere else that I can find.

I'm happy to be corrected on this but I believe the whole Barra name for 6-cyls up to 2016 is just a colloquial nickname & not official Ford usage at all.

Dr Terry

I’m following your angle.

So the BA was the official Barra, but I’ve got the unofficial better Barra and the FGX SPRINT blokes have the unofficial best Barra.......and the best of all - GO FURTHERS
mate - the wheelbarra