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Old 18-01-2006, 09:19 PM   #31
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Ugh.. and they are ment to be protecting us! :
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Old 18-01-2006, 09:23 PM   #32
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This thread is GOLD. I am looking forward to the day I get pulled over now for something stupid, I'll take great delight in waiting for him to say something stupid!!! Then again being in a Focus is hardly a magnet for burnouts or street racing. Maybe I should buy a Celica...
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I think the police need their recruits and current serving members to undergo extra training. It's unfair for people to be accused of certain defects when the officer doesn't know what he's on about. Or when they can't even identify a car - even when it's got the badges on the back of it. To check if it's rear wheel drive, they could look under the car for a diff and tailshaft. Nor should they be going around accusing people of doing burnouts unless they have actually witnessed that vehicle doing burnouts recently.
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yeh cops have been buggin me lately too, since gettin the xf on the road i got pulled over first on my way home from qld transporti got pulled up for a random check then the next day comin home from my friends i saw the police then they pulled me over along with the vs infront(they were actually speeding and he was drink drivin so the officer told me) then after 5 minutes i get let go, then later that day same thing but this time they took my licence back to there car waited ten minutes came back and sed seeya later and didnt even say y they took so long,lol they are fags
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It's like last week when I got pulled over for a drug & alcohol random test and also a license check.
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Well I've got a licence and wasn't under the influence of drugs or alcohol. I politely let them know that as I was driving home to my 3.5 week old baby, there was no chance I'd be silly enough to drink & drive and/or do illegal drugs
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Now that is funny.
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I know Hindsight is a good thing but you should have looked under the rear of the car and then say to the coppa "I want to report a theft - someone's stolen my diff"

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I remember getting pulled over in Thompson Road, Geelong, I was driving my XH XR6 at the time and the copper pulled me over in an EL XR8. He asked me if mine was an 8. As kindly as possible I pointed out the XR6 meant it had a 6 and the XR8 meant it had an eight. He left me alone. A Lot of police don't know much about cars. Some of us do though.
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I guess that just goes to show that their are ****ers in ever work place. He's partner was sitting in the car think oh no hear we go again. Some people really have no i dear what their on about. But good job in keeping your cool with the idoit.
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i got pulled over for doing 150 in a 100 ages and ages ago, (which im not arguing about because i was merely passing through that speed braket with the intent of much bigger numbers ;) )

anyway, i pulled over, got out and stood behind my car, where the "ford" and "XR6" badges are clearly visible, along with my number plate which is personalised and is a reference to the engine capacity of my car.

anyway, they gave me a ticket and left. i looked at the ticket, apparently at the time of the offence i was driving a red Holden Commodore....you have NO idea how dirty i was about that ticket! not that much because i got caught, but i couldnt believe that out of the 3 clues to the make and model of the car the officer still got it wrong. GRRRRR it burrs me up now just thinking about it!

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hahahahahaha man some cops are priceless thats wat happens when you change the entry to the cops to a uni degree to much brains for the wrong things and no common sense or street smarts and apparently a severe lack of car knowledge
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Nah, the copper made a mistake...........he thought it could of been one of those "death trap" Honda XR6's.
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this ИИИИ happens all the time. my dad was driving mum's camry to work at 3am and the cops pull him over. saked him if it was his car, he said no, it's mums. cops then said 'well her license is expired, we wanted to check if she was driving unlicensed.' all while his partner was looking over a stock camry ffs.

so dad told her and she rings the cop shop and checks with their computer systems only to be told her license is valid till 2009. useless pricks.
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i got pulled over for doing 150 in a 100 ages and ages ago, (which im not arguing about because i was merely passing through that speed braket with the intent of much bigger numbers ;) )

anyway, i pulled over, got out and stood behind my car, where the "ford" and "XR6" badges are clearly visible, along with my number plate which is personalised and is a reference to the engine capacity of my car.

anyway, they gave me a ticket and left. i looked at the ticket, apparently at the time of the offence i was driving a red Holden Commodore....you have NO idea how dirty i was about that ticket! not that much because i got caught, but i couldnt believe that out of the 3 clues to the make and model of the car the officer still got it wrong. GRRRRR it burrs me up now just thinking about it!
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That is classic. When I got caught speeding ages ago, the copper thought my plates were stolen, which there arn't. It has my initials and birthday, got issued from the rta. He thought they were stolen and checked my car, engine number and vin numbers. Sat on the side of the road for an hour at 4 in the morning. I asked him when they were supposidly stolen. He replied 2000. I got the plates in Jan 2003. Why would he rta reissue stolen plates. He promptly left then.
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Its as if some coppas get brain washed. They think we are the bad guys cause we drive in hot looking cars and are just out to get us no matter what. Even if weve done nothing at all. I must admit there are some ideots out there but the majority of us are respectfull to the road rules ect. So we take of a bit faster, brake harder and play our music louder, i don't see how that makes us the scum of society. I think its only some coppas, they are just arseholes. They should be out getting all the scum that are walking the streets harrassing people, breaking and entering. We have alotta indeginous gangs walking the streets of late. A number of innocent people have been severely bashed, it is this stuff they should be stopping. Its crazy really. We are afraid to walk the streets because we will get bashed for doing nothing, and we are afraid to drive the streets because cops are harrassing us for going for a cruise when they should be making it safe to be able to walk the street. :
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Its as if some coppas get brain washed. They think we are the bad guys cause we drive in hot looking cars and are just out to get us no matter what. Even if weve done nothing at all. I must admit there are some ideots out there but the majority of us are respectfull to the road rules ect. So we take of a bit faster, brake harder and play our music louder, i don't see how that makes us the scum of society. I think its only some coppas, they are just arseholes. They should be out getting all the scum that are walking the streets harrassing people, breaking and entering. We have alotta indeginous gangs walking the streets of late. A number of innocent people have been severely bashed, it is this stuff they should be stopping. Its crazy really. We are afraid to walk the streets because we will get bashed for doing nothing, and we are afraid to drive the streets because cops are harrassing us for going for a cruise when they should be making it safe to be able to walk the street. :
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Nah, the copper made a mistake...........he thought it could of been one of those "death trap" Honda XR6's.
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You think if the copper schools teach these idiots about what laws they can book us for. You think they would be taught about the difference in cars, FWD, RWD, Makes, Models to ensure they actually have some idea on what they are doing ?

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I think this is very much the end result of too many cops in cars, and not enough walking a beat. When you are driving, you are going to be more focused on the cars around you, then what may be happening on the sidewalk and in houses.

The end result is a focus on vehicle offenses, and a lack of knowledge of the people I bury in my front yard.
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I think this is very much the end result of too many cops in cars, and not enough walking a beat. When you are driving, you are going to be more focused on the cars around you, then what may be happening on the sidewalk and in houses.

The end result is a focus on vehicle offenses, and a lack of knowledge of the people I bury in my front yard.
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me and a mate went through the drive thru at KFC, drove into the carpark and was sitting in my car having a meal when a cop car slowing pulls up beside us gets out and asked for my licence...... i asked if he was joking as the vehicle wasn't even running and i was eating my meal,, he said no its a random check.........

i said can't you see im eating, why dont you go randomly check that guy over there. whos driving, i said even if i don't have a licence what can you do, im not driving im sitting down on the seat having a meal....cuz its the only shady part in the car....

asked for my licence again, i gave it to him.... he said is the vehicle yours i told him that i belive so.......even though its registered under my dads name......(concesional rego) heheheeh....

came back after 10 mins..... i asked is there any problems OFFICER... he said no.. and walked back to his car.....

Are they really allowed to do this? i felt like getting his details and putting a complaint in......just for the reason that i was having a meal and he decided to come an disturb me while i was sitting in a sationary car, in the car park.........
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If you had your keys in the ignition, technically you are driving. Ive seen people done sitting on the side of the road, engine off, talking on the mobile phone fined for driving while talking on a mobile phone, just for having their keys in the ignition.

Now if the keys are out of the ignition, and the car is legally not in motion, then im not sure if they can do a license check under those circumstances. However, legally they can ask you to identify yourself at any time, and you are obliged to comply.
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If you had your keys in the ignition, technically you are driving. Ive seen people done sitting on the side of the road, engine off, talking on the mobile phone fined for driving while talking on a mobile phone, just for having their keys in the ignition.
This just goes to show how stupid some part of the Law is. You do the right thing and still get busted for it, I mean whats the point of pulling over and stopping to answer a call if your gonna get booked anyway? :

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Bah what a loser...

Had a similar case the ohter day where a mate went infront of one at a roundabout, even tho there was heaps of room and the coppa was still only approaching the roundabout they pulled him up then abused the ИИИИ out of my mate for nothing, he had his young girl in the car to which wasnt a nice experience having a cop make him look like a criminal infront of his kid, lets just say that police officer is in alot of strife, however denies it as per usual.

Cops wonder why society hates them, they put more effort into giving people doing the right thing a hard time then those assholes out there doing hte wrong thing, its bloody wrong.
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sadly alot of cops are like him..there are a few good ones but they are rare as rocking horse ИИИИ
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My funnay incident with the cops, i was driving my suzuki Lj50 old softtop 4wd, it has a 3 cyl 2 stroke engine with like 26hp. I went round this corner coming off a downhill and the cops were down the road coming towards me.

They pulled me up and gave me a story about how i was goin to fast...wasnt goin fast cos it cant and tips over way too easy...anyway the cop proceeded to giv a big speel bout how dangerous it was n stuff if anything i drove to close to the kerb and the centre of road while exiting, i was in disbelief..lol anyway he said i'd recieve a summons for court.

Sure enough i did and in the report it said that i 'fishtailed' round the corner sliding right out to the right and then bak to the left. and the other female cop said she saw my black softtop bulge out to the side as i went round the corner, funny thing was i didnt hav a softtop on and its grey anyways.

The only thing i know of is the cop hates P platers (i was on them at the time) and the car is quite noisey as 2 strokes are.
But i'm being shafted cos the cops are backin each other up with there made up stories, heaps stuff in the report that i supposedly said when i didnt say anything to them, so who's the court goin to believe. after this incident i lost all respect for the police, i know the majority are good but it only takes one bad experience to hate them all cos u dont know what the next one that pulls u over will be like
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coming back from hols nth nsw to townsville qld. pulled into a rest area to take a leak. came back to find 2 young cops going over my car (xb hardtop well engineneered) lady cop,you passed us back there. yes officer you were doing under 110 in an overtaking lane, i passed u legally. is this a monaro? no its a ford.ok,what about these wheels they look too wide to me.well 7at the front and 8 at rear is legal in qld officer. ok it sounded loud is it standard? yes officer its 96db according to road side tests(its actually 102db)ok, show me under the bonnet and give me your licence.i lift bonnet. is this a 6 cylinder? no officer its a V8.what its like a Vtech?yes something like that.ok am going to check your rego, just wait here.goes back to cop car has conversation with other cop. in the meantime another cop car with a sargent pulls up and asks me whats going on?i reply im not real sure sarg.nice looking coupe mate( looking the old girl up and down) he goes back to speak to the other 2 cops.comes back LOL. ok mate he says, sorry for the grief, gives me back my licence, u can go.these 2 dopes( his words)were looking for a red monaro speeding up and down the highway between here and Rocky.thanks sarg, but those 2 need a bit of schooling in car recognition dont you think?sarg LOL, yep they need more than that mate. he says,leave to me, have a good day LOL. off i go shaking my head..( you just had to be there to appreciate the situation) just goes to show thre are good and bad in cops..
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If you had your keys in the ignition, technically you are driving. Ive seen people done sitting on the side of the road, engine off, talking on the mobile phone fined for driving while talking on a mobile phone, just for having their keys in the ignition.

Now if the keys are out of the ignition, and the car is legally not in motion, then im not sure if they can do a license check under those circumstances. However, legally they can ask you to identify yourself at any time, and you are obliged to comply.
what if my xf is push button start and no longer requires keys?? just an immobiliser? if i was caught doin burnouts, could i say the car was not being driven cuz the keys were not in the ignition??....i wish
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