The Today Tonight Crusade Continues - Page 2

Work Horse · 01-06-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by digitalpunk

I am ethnic (Maltese background), live in Western Sydney and have an interest in cars. So I am the big stereotype, but funnily enough, I have never been a hoon.

Your not kidding anyone digitalpunk, your obviously a hoon, and the sooner you are locked up the better :Reverend:

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I only watch ACA/TT so i can see what the boys on the Chaser are talking about when they tear strips off the current affairs programs.

LOL I never watch ACA/TT but still get what the Chaser team are on about because it never changes, hoons, fad diets, questionable medical break throughs, "adformation".

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Perhaps if the chaser was as popular in suburban Australia as ACA was, some people might have a clue???

Essential viewing!!!!! Chaser and media watch, should not be missed!!

EDManual · 01-06-2006, 11:14 AM

Yeah, i couldnt believe what that dirty cop said!@

Saying "all the guys in the done up cars are on drugs, are in middle eastern gangs, are beating people up..." And thats why they are taking their cars!!!!! teach them a lesson.... Really, a done up car doesnt hurt anyone.

The other day in Geelong a lady in a new mercedes didnt give way in the fog and killed a motorcyclist. Thats worse or equal worse than anything any "hoon" "drunk driver" or whatever has ever done. Why dont the cops watch out for these people......why doesnt she go to jail for 4 years, get her car taken off her....

Many cops boil my blood...

HOW CAN YOU HAVE ANY RESPECT! YOU CANNOT.

brenx · 01-06-2006, 11:55 AM

Although Today Tonight keep regurgitating old footage and is very annoying. I don't really see the issue with the police. Late model cars have many limitations on what you can modify. What can be modified is actually very little. Most of the cars down are instant EPA for noise. Fiddle with the camshaft or turbo/supercharge is instant EPA. Pollution laws is what people either have no idea about or they choose to ignore them. Once caught out there is no excuse for ignorance.

Don't want to comply with pollution laws? Buy a non pollution car it's very simple.

Then you have ADR on wheel sizes. What tyre or rim dealer complies or informs the purchaser that their $2000 wheels aren't legal? None it's not in their hip pockets interest.

There are quite a few generalisations about people from particular cultures driving a particular type of car. Generally in the modified car scene it's true. Why they are sheep? I'll never know.

There are the few that get defects for silly reasons. The otherside of the story is they are generally cruising with a club that is known to police to cause issues on public roads. They agrue with police about issues. Your better off shutting up and copping it on the chin. It's easier to sort a r/w place than it is to sort a police officer.

I've been canaried for a few strange items which when checked out the car was actually r/w. Now I have the paperwork to prove it, if I'm stopped for the same things?

Stay in the right crowds and don't make too much noise is the best advice you'll ever get.

nb : P plates on a modified car isn't good idea. Speaking from experience and getting pulled over at least once a day in a virtually stock 1980 2dr Escort Rally pack that had nothing but a sports exhaust on it.

4.9 EF Futura · 01-06-2006, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by brenx

Although Today Tonight keep regurgitating old footage and is very annoying. I don't really see the issue with the police. Late model cars have many limitations on what you can modify. What can be modified is actually very little. Most of the cars down are instant EPA for noise. Fiddle with the camshaft or turbo/supercharge is instant EPA. Pollution laws is what people either have no idea about or they choose to ignore them. Once caught out there is no excuse for ignorance.

Don't want to comply with pollution laws? Buy a non pollution car it's very simple.

Then you have ADR on wheel sizes. What tyre or rim dealer complies or informs the purchaser that their $2000 wheels aren't legal? None it's not in their hip pockets interest.

There are quite a few generalisations about people from particular cultures driving a particular type of car. Generally in the modified car scene it's true. Why they are sheep? I'll never know.

There are the few that get defects for silly reasons. The otherside of the story is they are generally cruising with a club that is known to police to cause issues on public roads. They agrue with police about issues. Your better off shutting up and copping it on the chin. It's easier to sort a r/w place than it is to sort a police officer.

I've been canaried for a few strange items which when checked out the car was actually r/w. Now I have the paperwork to prove it, if I'm stopped for the same things?

Stay in the right crowds and don't make too much noise is the best advice you'll ever get.

nb : P plates on a modified car isn't good idea. Speaking from experience and getting pulled over at least once a day in a virtually stock 1980 2dr Escort Rally pack that had nothing but a sports exhaust on it.

Having recently been defected for "questionable" modifications to my late model vehicle (which i took square on the chin and have no hard feelings about) - i agree with your sentiments.

Now there is possibility that some of the guys contained within your description have full compliance on their vehicles and are considered by the transport authorities to be "as good as a manufacturer's design" (i.e. secondary manufacturer's compliance with ADR) - in which case they are having it ruined for them by those who dont follow the rules. It would simply be another case of "bad eggs ruining it for others etc etc".

Cry me a river - that's the way the world works (unfortunately) and if you havent accepted this fact by the time you're old enough to drive a car then chances are you'll be a whinging little turd for the rest of your life.

Having said this.

I do think its dangerous for the police to be teaming up with commercial networks and their current affairs shows to be portraying the message that "modified car drivers are a bunch of drug dealing/taking foreigners". They're in a statuatory position of power - i think its extremely inappropriate for them to be putting those kinds of messages to the public. Whilst i get frustrated with political correctness in day to day life - this is one instance where I think it should be excercised.

I dont have any specific concerns with the way they go about their police work... but i do have concerns with this kind of publicity... what happened to all being equal in the eyes of the law?

kyro_02 · 01-06-2006, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

As long as the car is safe, then yes.
If get defected for insufficient water in the windscrean bottle, then that's wrong.

yeah there are fair defects and ridiculous defects... i know someone who got done for having a strand of fabric stich from his head rest.. in a toyota(lol) and he also got done for strand coming from passenger seat belt(seat belt Wasn't ripped) guess the cops had a bad day heh.

edit: the car was lowered, but passed the 'test' so they had to get him on something... everything else was good .. oh and are they allowed to shake your front seats like they're having a fit? what if they brake it deliberately... like if the cop was huge he could brake any seat lol

Zephyr · 01-06-2006, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

I do think its dangerous for the police to be teaming up with commercial networks and their current affairs shows to be portraying the message that "modified car drivers are a bunch of drug dealing/taking foreigners". They're in a statuatory position of power - i think its extremely inappropriate for them to be putting those kinds of messages to the public. Whilst i get frustrated with political correctness in day to day life - this is one instance where I think it should be excercised.

I dont have any specific concerns with the way they go about their police work... but i do have concerns with this kind of publicity... what happened to all being equal in the eyes of the law?

The police are definitely contributing to the negativity towards them. Then police members ask why they are looked at like this! Hooning is bad and I am 100% against it and support the enforcing of anti-hooning laws however, the police need to be able to determine the difference between a hoon and an enthusiast. Obviously they can not.
Also police should look at non safe cars more than the modified cars, more often than not, modified cars are safer than a non modified car, I am tired of seeing beaten up cars on the road that are dangerous, where a lower car with rims is defected, no logic!
ACA/TT fuel this and sent an incorrect message to their viewers.

Miss_XR6 · 01-06-2006, 01:38 PM

u guys all seem to be complaining if no one noticed its for middle easterner's who they are targeting as they are the "hoons" driving modified cars mostly and its part of the riot crack down.. u guys need to listen to the whole story not just one sentence

clontarf_x · 01-06-2006, 01:56 PM

No, if any Current Affairs program runs a story on "modifieds" it will always have some bigwig saying they are cracking down on similarly "hoonish" and "outlaw" road users.

It's always the same crock of s**t and there is no point in defending their articles. The sooner someome kicks them up the and FORCES them to do a good-news story on car enthusiasts and clubs we will never have a say... and the retards who's lives hinge on the information from these shows will stick to their guns like glue...

castek · 01-06-2006, 02:20 PM

i must admit, this was the worst hoon story i have seen thus far. i usually watch em to get my daily dosage of burnout vids, and there were barely any.
I used to be part of Commodore cruise club, and we were targeted by newspapers and had some footage stolen off our forums and used on TT. so we put together a video of our cruises and meets showing the family friendly environment and people appreciating everyone elses legal mods. we sent them the footage and surely enough they didnt play that. the media will always be one sided on certain things, and as ifd they are gonna side with "hoons" and bag the cops. they dont show us the cops illegally parking their cars, speeding etc do they?

Miss_XR6 · 01-06-2006, 02:38 PM

of course there not going to shop the cop's doing illegal stuff TT has a big thing aganist anyone that drives a car that is slightly modified

Bobman · 01-06-2006, 03:43 PM

mms://203.84.216.26/video/0606/060601093220_tt_310506_crackdown2_h.wmv

Chuck that link in WM player to play.

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New hoon approach, June 1st.

They should worry more about drug/drink driving and this is obviously about the demographic of the driver/nationality and the type of car they drive.

Has anyone else noticed in Melbourne at St Kilda or Moonee Ponds Police Stations always have at least 5-6 cars out the front at any given time with Moonee Ponds cars parking on footpaths, rather than out on beat.

djjase · 01-06-2006, 03:50 PM

So if your all concerned about it, write a letter to your local MP or to TT/ACA. At the end of the day if you have something illegal on your car you deserve to be picked on. If your car is all legal then what have you got to worry about ? If you drive like an idiot or play your music really loud or have really loud exhaust, you will get picked up. I have driven a number of cars that were very low, extremely dark tinted windows and have had coppers sit next to me, the car looked nice, they didnt bother me.

Bobman · 01-06-2006, 03:53 PM

In a part of it, the policeman books a WRX for having "steel showing" on the inside edge of the front tyres and says it is because the wheels are too big.

Could more likely be an aligment problem in my mind.

IMHO if they are going to be doing road blocks etc they should have a mechanic & engineer there too as many officer's don't have much interest or knowledge of cars, the one's I've talked to just think of it as transport, "it's only a car".

Interesting none-the-less but typical of current affair propoganda.

Smoke Pursuit · 01-06-2006, 04:10 PM

Most of the they brought up was spoton.

As for the damage to the tyres that was a rubbing on the inside of the guards issue, as he said, regardless the tyres were ed and had to be replaced.

Other issues brought up like the blonde chick with the broken seat was also standard, it didnt look to me like they were getting too picky, just finding the faults and making people rectify them.

To me it wasnt that they were picking on cars for being done up, it was a basic assessment of the cars based on the relevant law, if a car isnt roadworthy then it shouldnt be on the streets, simple. If the people that own these cars dont wanna attract attention from the police then its pretty simple, don't act like tools and you won't be bothered. It seems they are doing justice to the owners by finding these faults and making them repair them before they either get serious hurt or killed because of them.

Bobman · 01-06-2006, 04:21 PM

Shockwave, hehe no more XR6 eh?

Agree with what you write, but they should still target older & smoky cars more rather than "rice mobiles". However its true that if they choose to modify their cars in such way where it attracts attention and stands out they will be putting themselves out to be pulled over. Sooner or later the confiscation of vehicles will begin in Victoria, think there was a budget announcement of $12m towards it. Should be interesting how this goes but just like prostitutes car "hoons" will never go away & it would be sad to only see boring white boxes on the roads.

That said, I can't remember the last time a loose seat or worn inside edge tyres have hurt or killed someone. A brand new cheap tyre can be worse than a half worn good quality brand name tyre, especially in wet conditions.

Check out fowles auctions for the latest list of damaged police cars too

the one's we don't hear about on TV.

Smoke Pursuit · 01-06-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by wicked

Shockwave, hehe no more XR6 eh?

Agree with what you write, but they should still target older & smoky cars more rather than "rice mobiles". However its true that if they choose to modify their cars in such way where it attracts attention and stands out they will be putting themselves out to be pulled over. Sooner or later the confiscation of vehicles will begin in Victoria, think there was a budget announcement of $12m towards it. Should be interesting how this goes but just like prostitutes car "hoons" will never go away & it would be sad to only see boring white boxes on the roads.

That said, I can't remember the last time a loose seat or worn inside edge tyres have hurt or killed someone. A brand new cheap tyre can be worse than a half worn good quality brand name tyre, especially in wet conditions.

Check out fowles auctions for the latest list of damaged police cars too

the one's we don't hear about on TV.

Its still here in the garage till i get rid of it!

Your not wrong about all the old bangers on the road that the police also need to concerntrate on, but at the same time most of these people driving old bangers dont push their cars to the limits the Rice burner brigade do. Some things maybe worse then others but a poorly restrained seat is as bad as no seatbelt, which could possibly mean life or death depending on the severity of the accident, something I dont think id be taking a gamble on either way.

As for Alcohol its also something that needs to be further enforced upon, theres too many drink drivers on our roads that shouldn't be, you only need to go to your local pub and have a look at blokes coming and going, they certainly don't seem to care about the risks they are putting on their own lives and others on the road.

mustang · 01-06-2006, 04:35 PM

i completly agree the cops are just out for publicity and i hate it my dad agrees but it bull

Miss_XR6 · 01-06-2006, 04:44 PM

just wait till next weekend when its double demerits there going to have a field day.. make plenty of money so they can buy there KK's to pig out on every day

ltd · 01-06-2006, 04:47 PM

The targeting of the middle eastern people in this story is merely to placate the public for the fact that none, and I mean none of those involved in the revenge attacks on Sydney in december were charged and convicted. Over 20 million dollars damage, untold assaults and the police had all the power of a wet lettuce leaf. The public have been outraged by the favouritism given to this group, a group which houses our states premier as their local member. The public have been demanding answers for this lack of action against one particular community and as such, channel 7 have given the NSW gov a springboard to an election spiel. The election is 9 months away, but already we are getting budgetary promises for their return to government.

It's the same as that gaffe that Morris dilemna made about the cross city tunnel fiasco; and saying the head of the tunnel corporation was an f wit. Morris ensured the mic and camera were on when he said it, and the ploy worked where it shifted the blame from the government for the abysmal deal they made. One round of ICAC later and the gov were the ones at fault, but the public was no longer angry..

Walkinshaw · 01-06-2006, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4.9 EF Futura

Whilst i get frustrated with political correctness in day to day life - this is one instance where I think it should be excercised.

There is a diffrence about not being "politicaly correct" and lieing.

I mean,

"all the guys in the done up cars are on drugs, are in middle eastern gangs, are beating people up..."

If I was there in that crowd that day I would be fronting uo to my local cop shop and turning myself in for

a) being involved in an unlawful organisation - gangs
b) assault

Ask to be personaly arrested and charged by the 1/2 witt that made the statement in the first place.

clontarf_x · 01-06-2006, 06:15 PM

Not to mention a lot of smart people drive old bangers to and from work, saving fuel at the small cost of greenhouse emissions (gotta love those 400,000km old rings), while they keep their pride and joys at home

Windsor220 · 01-06-2006, 06:35 PM

I saw this last night. Didnt see a problem in defecting some cars but then some guy starts going on about cleaning up the streets from violence and stuff like that. What has someone driving a modified car got to do with that?

LethalLeigh · 01-06-2006, 06:38 PM

Was it just me or was it an interesting note that the 'Hoon' squad is teamed up with the Middle East Organised Crime Squad. Jumping the gun a bit isn't it?

Bobman · 01-06-2006, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by LethalLeigh

Was it just me or was it an interesting note that the 'Hoon' squad is teamed up with the Middle East Organised Crime Squad. Jumping the gun a bit isn't it?

You saw well there, the MEOC squad are targetting cars, people etc every week.

I think the squad was organised after the riots?

Bobman · 01-06-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ShockWaveXR6na

Its still here in the garage till i get rid of it!

Your not wrong about all the old bangers on the road that the police also need to concerntrate on, but at the same time most of these people driving old bangers dont push their cars to the limits the Rice burner brigade do. Some things maybe worse then others but a poorly restrained seat is as bad as no seatbelt, which could possibly mean life or death depending on the severity of the accident, something I dont think id be taking a gamble on either way.

As for Alcohol its also something that needs to be further enforced upon, theres too many drink drivers on our roads that shouldn't be, you only need to go to your local pub and have a look at blokes coming and going, they certainly don't seem to care about the risks they are putting on their own lives and others on the road.

Very constructive reply, thankyou.

Too true though about the above points. The drink driving message never goes through, however it seems to be an ongoing and growing issue as more people take to alcohol in large numbers with their car keys in hand.

460cixy · 01-06-2006, 08:10 PM

"yeah we have seen cars fitted with av gas fuel systems" what drugs are those tools on. apart from the dumb blonde thay were all fully sick dumb *****. seems to me there more out to pick on the wogs than modded cars. but wogs also seem to have cars with the most dodgy mods

djjase · 01-06-2006, 08:58 PM

So much for saying that Australia is not racist. Come on, I am not a wog, I am an Aussie and creating a special division to combat Middle Eastern is just another way of saying that we are. I have a few good mates who are wogs and let me tell you someone of them are more loyal than some of my aussie mates. People need to grow up and accept everyone for who they are. There are a lot of aussie p platers who do these types of things too. If your going to pick on car hoons then pick on all car hoons and dont single out Middle Eastern only, thats just asking for another Inter-racial debarkle.
I have been doing up cars since I was 14, its about time the cops spend more time catching the real crims like murderers, robbers, rip off artholes, those ripping of the tax payers etc. All of my HOON cars have always been way better than a lot of the crap on the roads - better suspension, better brakes, better tyres

XRchic · 01-06-2006, 09:33 PM

Did anyone see the very one sided story tonight about the bank (NAB I think) and that bloke who claimed he had $91K put in his account and that the bank didnt want to know when he tried to give it back?

Well thats how they marketed it for the last week, anyway. Turns out that the real story was quite different and that all that had happened was that the bank just took its time in sorting it all out, tracking down the problem and organising to get it back... to put it simply anyway....

I dont like banks and I dont think they are good corporate citizens at all, in fact I loathe them. However, that story was marketed all week as something very different to the acutal segment. Just sucked people into watching a story about a big bad bank... when it was just a bit of inconvenience...

Not sure if anyone else would have seen this in other states...

Aeron · 01-06-2006, 09:36 PM

That chick they pulled over was hot but..

ltd · 01-06-2006, 10:32 PM

Guys the reason for the MEO is that the Middle Easterners in Sydney have become a real big problem. For the last ten years we've had a state government with it's head in the sand and now there's an election coming up we have a chance of getting something done about it. Racism comes from both sides too, so it's not ozzies ganging up on others. Live in sydney for a while and you too will see the problems with this group and in particular the anti social behaviour/crime that follows them around.