waste of money?

[XRchic]

His Dad is a tool for a) selling his kid a V8 and b) selling his kid a car which is illegal for him to own/drive.

Yes, he could drive it if it was the only family car available but I dont know if he would be allowed to register it.

Dont fall for not putting uo P plates, that is stupid. So many people get caught with that, and in Vic at least, its a 3 point loss and a decent fine too.

In SA, there are no P plate restrictions either. Its stupid to have those restrictions. While I dont like the idea of my kids driving V8s at a young age, I know they could still kill themselves in a Festiva. And often the bigger cars are safer: bigger, stronger body, better brakes, airbags are more common, better tyres and suspension etc...

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by JC

Given all the P plate idiots that kill themselves and their friends in their low powered VNs and EAs, older skylines etc, does it really matter what they drive? But, the law says he can't drive it, so I say his dad is irresponsible for actually selling it to him. His dad will be the first to ask "Why" if his son turns up on the 6.00pm news wrapped around a pole/tree/other car.

I went to a mate's 21st last night and at about 8pm a girl got a call saying that a car headed to the party had a head on, killed him. I didn't know him but one of my mates happened to be behind and saw it happen, he wasn't in a real good state for the rest of the night.

My mate said he lost it on the wet road coming around a corner over corrected and pulled straight into the path of the other car, had nothing to do with the type of car just inexperience on a wet road. 6 teens in the last year thats been lost in the small area.

[86XFFairmont]

Originally Posted by eb2monty

It's his decision but I like his dad's attitude. Too many parents rescue their kids. His dad his stated his opinion, now it's up to your friend to deal with any consequences that arise. I don't think the cops will be fooled with it being claimed to be a 6.

Spot on.... But not knowing how bad the po po is there, id say provided he dont drive like a nut then they will leave him alone for a while...

[poolkeeper]

He should of bought a 89 corolla, while saving up to get a big V8 donk or turbo (like everyone else).
Then when he/everyone gets the car they want, they will not be use to that sort of power.
See how stupid these restrictions are...

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by Steffo

I had the option of an AUII TE50 and I really wanted one. But the law stuffed me up. Rather then buy an unsafe POS and wait it out (3 years is a long time to drive a POS) I instead bought a brand new Ford Fiesta Zetec, and I'm loving every second of it. Of course once I'm on my full licence I'll most likely own something large, rear wheel drive, of inline-six cylinder and turbocharged configuration. 100 points to guess what it'll be :

A TYPHOON???

[Ford_Boy]

[QUOTE=D1XR2C]He should of bought a 89 corolla, while saving up to get a big V8 donk or turbo (like everyone else).
Then when he/everyone gets the car they want, they will not be use to that sort of power.
See how stupid these restrictions are...[/QUOT

exactly. how can they expect young teens to get the experience they need

[70caprigt3k]

It doesn't matter what the kid ended u buying he would still have the means to kill himself and others on the road, i think its safe to say that any car the kid would have bought is capable of doing 100km/h all that will change from car to car is the amount of time it takes to reach that speed.

I can't be certain of this but obviously the father must deem the kid a) intelligent enough b) responsible enough to be in control of the vehicle as no parent in their right mind in doubt would hand over the keys to a car of reasonable performance teenage stupididity aside.

I for one have both owned and driven "high performance" cars though out the last year i have had my license, for example throughout my learners period the main car i drove was my fathers VY Clubsport with a few bolt-ons pushing 300kw and my first car was a heavily worked 1970 gt3000 capri which had around 220hp at the tyres in a 900kg car so it was quick and had no safety features whatsoever and i was in exactly the same scenario with people calling my parents idiots and irrisponsible for letting their 17 year old p plate son drive that car around reguardless of the fact that i have been riding motor bikes since i was 3 years old and started driving dungers around the backyard when i was 10 so i have at least had experience.

Over the 12 month period a number of those who had "sensible cars" for their first cars to prevent them from having accidents and doing stupid things have had accidents, lost their licenses and in some cases both in varying degrees of severity and i have not had an accident yet and have had 1 speeding fine losing me 1 point (10km/h over the limit and completely my fault) although my record isn't perfect who is the idiot now?.

Simply put to a certain degree the car does play a part in young peoples deaths on the road but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what car it is they still have teh same opportunity to kill themselves and others on the road. If the kid is going to be smart about it and respect his car and other drivers on the road and know his limits i don't see why it would be a waste of money.

[Bluehoon]

at what age do you draw the line of who is responsible, as the kid is now driving, he should be of mind to make his own decisions.
Whether they be right or not.

Plus if he loves the car so much, hold onto it, and have a pos rolla for a few years........

[XRQTOR]

Originally Posted by 70caprigt3k

It doesn't matter what the kid ended u buying he would still have the means to kill himself and others on the road, i think its safe to say that any car the kid would have bought is capable of doing 100km/h all that will change from car to car is the amount of time it takes to reach that speed.

I can't be certain of this but obviously the father must deem the kid a) intelligent enough b) responsible enough to be in control of the vehicle as no parent in their right mind in doubt would hand over the keys to a car of reasonable performance teenage stupididity aside.

I for one have both owned and driven "high performance" cars though out the last year i have had my license, for example throughout my learners period the main car i drove was my fathers VY Clubsport with a few bolt-ons pushing 300kw and my first car was a heavily worked 1970 gt3000 capri which had around 220hp at the tyres in a 900kg car so it was quick and had no safety features whatsoever and i was in exactly the same scenario with people calling my parents idiots and irrisponsible for letting their 17 year old p plate son drive that car around reguardless of the fact that i have been riding motor bikes since i was 3 years old and started driving dungers around the backyard when i was 10 so i have at least had experience.

Over the 12 month period a number of those who had "sensible cars" for their first cars to prevent them from having accidents and doing stupid things have had accidents, lost their licenses and in some cases both in varying degrees of severity and i have not had an accident yet and have had 1 speeding fine losing me 1 point (10km/h over the limit and completely my fault) although my record isn't perfect who is the idiot now?.

Simply put to a certain degree the car does play a part in young peoples deaths on the road but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what car it is they still have teh same opportunity to kill themselves and others on the road. If the kid is going to be smart about it and respect his car and other drivers on the road and know his limits i don't see why it would be a waste of money.

Show me a car that isn't capable of doubling most speed limit's, nearly all new car's are capable of doubling the max 11ok speed limit in aus. It's not how fast you can get to a speed that creates problem's, it's being about to judge distances at that speed, judge breaking distances at and so fourth.

My first car was an EF xr8, i bought it before i got my licence. I got my licence in s.a and got my L's and P's on the same day and was driving the car straight away. Now my old man knew i had zero driving experience on the road but knew i could drive, for the first 4 weeks i wasn't allowed out at night and wasn't allowed to have a car full of mates. After i got a bit of experience i was allowed to do what i wanted. I bought my MKII Ba xr8 when i was 19 and had it modded 8 months later.

Regardless of what people drive if they want to be stupid they will. 9o% of death's on the road in this age bracket is caused by driver error, thats fact.

[needaXYGT]

silly idea. on saturday night i was drving behind a VS SS. we was going about 55kmh and he spun the wheels up, WTF. anyway he was on his P's and got caught by cops. he didnt drive home that night. the reason i know is because he is my mates friend.

[AnthonyQLD]

Originally Posted by brenx

Some people have to learn the hard way inc parents. My mum and dad made my buy a good car for my 1st car, same with my sister. It's best to buy a crapper when you 1st get your p's. 3mths, I'd written it off and had a few other dents. My sister? She also wrote her car off. Her 1st car cost $10,000 and didn't last 12mths.

Many people I know have done similar to the above. It's just the experience of learning to drive.

Not every one crashes there first car. I never put a mark on mine.

[Ford_Boy]

this guy basically learnt on the ss he has now bought. he has already owned 2 cars previous. he drives his new car to work. yesterday he went out in his mates car because he didnt want anything to happen to his car. he is pretty responsible. its so unfair that they brought this rule out. i really wanted an xa v8 but im not allowed by law so ill never be daring enough to try and buy it. not everyone dies on their ps and its rarely behind the wheel of a hig performance car. what about the man who died in a skyline with his cousin and his baby son lived? he had his full license.

[brenx]

Originally Posted by AnthonyQLD

Not every one crashes there first car. I never put a mark on mine.

True but many do. Hence higher insurance costs for 18yo's.

[70caprigt3k]

Originally Posted by XRQTOR

Regardless of what people drive if they want to be stupid they will. 9o% of death's on the road in this age bracket is caused by driver error, thats fact.

Thats the point, the government the parents everybody are looking for an easy answer which in this case happens to be high performance cars but also in this case acting upon this easy answer has done next to nothing, give the kid a bugatti veyron or give the kid a hyundai excel the chances of them killing themselves is the same, at what speed is a different story.

[Steffo]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

A TYPHOON???

Good guess

[BENT_8]

Are you sure his old man didn't get a trade in price below his expectations and suck the kid into paying more for it.
What parent in their right mind would knowingly sell their own child a vehicle that is clearly not within the liscence requirements, without motive.
What happens if he accidently kills some poor buggar, driving a vehicle he is unliscenced to drive.
ABSOLUTELY REDICULOUS is what it is!

[XR8-260]

I just realised that everyone who voted "good idea (who cares about the law)" are in their teenage years.

[JiShWa]

hey thats a bit bold to say. Im on my p's and i didnt vote that. you should read my big huge rant on this stuff just a couple days ago. Agree or not i tihnk i made a point hehe :

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...&page=10&pp=25

Hmmm personally i dotn think changing what cars we can/ cant buy will do the trick, i tihn kit comes dow nto policing. If people ar such dickheads why arent they off the road?? They need more thana slap on the wrist (more a punch in the face from me sometimes i wish i could...) I was already targeted in my small town because i have a v8, but they have stopped pulling me over lately cause they know i am one of the few with a faster car that can control themsleves in really dangerous places like busy streets or corners?? carparks?? the list goes friggin on...Actually, the copper waved to me yesterday...im in the good books :P

[Mutley]

Originally Posted by 30487256

You're right it is unfair. I'm very surprised why WA hasn't take the same steps like the eastern states have.

We get rid of Nanny's before we turn 18 and send the extra's to Mr Bracks. HeHeHe

[Mutley]

Originally Posted by Steffo

I had the option of an AUII TE50 and I really wanted one. But the law stuffed me up. Rather then buy an unsafe POS and wait it out (3 years is a long time to drive a POS) I instead bought a brand new Ford Fiesta Zetec, and I'm loving every second of it. Of course once I'm on my full licence I'll most likely own something large, rear wheel drive, of inline-six cylinder and turbocharged configuration. 100 points to guess what it'll be :

Errr A Kenworth? :

[brenx]

Originally Posted by JiShWa

im in the good books :P

Sounds like my younger days. My pb for getting pulled over for a license check was 3 times in one day. I took my p's off the car after 2 years and I instantly stopped getting pulled over. Still drove the same car.

Prior to my vehicle ownership days I used to ride. Quite often I'd hear my name called out. I turn around for a quick look and guess who it was :P

[Outbackjack]

When I was on P plates, long ago, I used to call them Persecution plates. Sounds like nothing has changed.

[Abacus]

Just out of interest, does anybody know where this guy stands with insurance - both CTP and compehensive?

[jimt3te50]

Originally Posted by 30487256

I love WA... No P Plate restrictions :

Even better, no emission laws (yet)........

No forced induction V8's though- it's not all great, but it isn't bad...........

[AUIII XR8 MAN]

I think he's been stupid, just asking for trouble. He'll have no insurance & if some thing did go wrong & he would be up the creek without leg to stand on.

[AC]

Sounds like another P Plater that will have a date with a tele pole... One he wont miss. :rolleyes:

[Cespenar]

Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

my dad grew up driving an lj torana xu1. he lost his license but turned out fine. now he has a gt. i cant see why people in the past could have grown up with these powerful cars but now all of a sudden this generation is deemed irresponsible because a small minority of people wrap themselves around poles. not everyone with a turbo or v8 are going to die on the roads. you could be any age and in any car to have an accident. if its such a big deal then why arnt all the states following these rules? his dad isnt that irresponsible. he trusts his driving and he warned him that he will lose out if he is caught. he is letting him make his own mistake. the guys 18 he is an adult and if he wants to risk it then he will be punished by the law like an adult. his dad can always give his money back when he loses his license lol

Oh Yes! The idiots who hoon around in Dubbo all seem to drive ricers of some description or other. The V8 drivers just seem to enjoy the music. The exhaust music, that is.
If a kid is gonna be irresponsible then he'll be irresponsible. A Dubbo-ite was driving for seven years without a licence or rego, and she got picked up. She's about 40. And they say men never grow up. Sheeesh! :thebirds:

[Ryan]

Waste of money, I reckon.

It'll be like wearing a really big purple hat.

Should just stick with an older Commo or Falcon 6. Plenty of power, without something stupid.

[poolkeeper]

Originally Posted by Ryan

Waste of money, I reckon.

It'll be like wearing a really big purple hat.

Should just stick with an older Commo or Falcon 6. Plenty of power, without something stupid.

You serious - plenty of power??

[XR8-260]

Originally Posted by D1XR2C

You serious - plenty of power??

A manual XR6 shouldn't be too bad :