Pit Bulls

[LOWAU]

Originally Posted by xceler8shun

Spoken like someone who knows absolutly nothing of the breed at all.

And what proof do you have of this, or are you going on media hype and your cousins say that it is correct?

Go and have a looks at some stats of the dogs that have bitten people the most. American Pit Bull Terriers and American Staffordshire Terriers wont be on the top of the list.

I admit I don't know a lot about the breed but as I stated these were my cousins "experiences" when he used to be a dog trainer.

Beleive it or not, I simply don't care.

[svo347]

[QUOTE=John McMaster]You have one very big Rottie,my bloke at his peak until cancer got him was 63kilos,might I suggest yours is a tad over weight,but then that depends on his/her height etc.
[QUOTE]
Sorry that should read 70kgs i didnt read the reply once posted.
Yes she is a very big dog.
What surprises me more is the size of her head Bloody huge, Her shoulders are just below my hips.
I get comments from people in how big she is for a female & alot of people asking me to breed their males with her.
Simply i love her.. but i pity the fool that tries to break into my home.
Todays thief is tomorrows rottie $hit

[xceler8shun]

Originally Posted by LOWAU

I admit I don't know a lot about the breed but as I stated these were my cousins "experiences" when he used to be a dog trainer.

Beleive it or not, I simply don't care.

well you admit you know very little about the breed, yet you say that they are the most common dog to attack based solely on another person experiences.

the fact you make comments like that and say you simply dont care is the problem

[Angry Beaver]

gees i must be in queensland again. This is total crap i actually cannot believe that the breed of dog is being blamed once again. because the statics rate the breeds like the blue cattle and german shepard ( if memory is correct, actually asked someone once). Its totally insane and has no thought behind it. i for one am against it. talk about genicide animal species.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by John McMaster

You have one very big Rottie,my bloke at his peak until cancer got him was 63kilos,might I suggest yours is a tad over weight,but then that depends on his/her height etc.

I am in total agreance my bloke was a big sook he would lick me to death or anyone else but if he felt threatened in any way he would communicate that as well.

What we have to remember is that dogs as with all animals can't talk and say.... hey **** off your giving me the shits or your threatening me.....they can only communicate with their actions.

My Aunty and Uncle used to breed Rotties. They have bred some Australian Champs. But after they decided to retire from the business they had (Boarding Kennels) they sold up and moved. They had 3 Rotties at the time that they took with them. They bought a place in McLaren Vale in the wineries. Shortly after the 3 dogs got cancer. Apparently something in the vine or the soil did this to the dogs. I went for a visit years ago and they only had left 1 dog. Adonis who a few years earlier was the Australian champ. Big strong dog. But as the bone cancer set in, he had trouble walking and was a real struggle to walk up one step. I remember his as a big dog. Stood with confidence and walked like this as well. You knew who was boss. To see him struggling to go up that one step, it breaks your heart. It really was very sad. Anyway, that was about 12 years ago. The blood line is all but gone. All the dogs have died so has my Aunty. But my uncle still gets around. Never owned another dog since. It's a shame. They bred Rotties i think for the best part of 30 years.

Bit of track, but I thought I'd post it anyway. Rotties are a geat breed. Gentle and loving.

[tickford302]

Hi all, Im tickford302 other half, we need to put pressure on the bloody politicans that think they can make these senseless laws without any consideration to the people it will effect, email, phone, fax, letters, whatever you can. At the moment they are intending on bringing the ban to NSW, QLD already has it and this is not going to stop at the APBT. Talks will be taking place in WA next week between the authorities and the RSPCA about placing bans there on the APBT and beleive it or not they are also next week looking at the rottie, doberman, german sheppard, bull terriers and staffys. HOW MANY OF US WILL BE DIRECTLY EFFECTED BY THIS.
All dog owners need to stick together on this because your breed will be in the firing line next if it isnt already.
The other thing we MUST do is be RESPONSIBLE dog owners. Keep our best freinds out of trouble. They are our best mates we owe it to them dont we.

My particular concern is with the idea of banning the Rottie, my big girl was devoted to protecting us and my children she was loving, loyal and proud even when she had bone cancer she didnt falter in her desire to serve and protect. There is no way on gods green earth will I allow the goverment to abolish this breed. And I dont want to see it happen to other breeds either.

Please do what ever you can to let the politicans know that this it not the way to solve the problem of a few dog attacks. There are better and more sensible workable solutions they need to look at.

[Casper]

in most cases I'd let my kids pat an (owner controlled) pit bull than an (owner controlled) silky terrier or maltese. Why? Cause the pit bull usually has less attitude and is much more sociable.
As a dog, they have a natrually laid back temprement.
As was said earlier:

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

There are no bad dogs, only bad owners.

[ferris01]

Correct me if I am wrong and sound daggy...

But didnt Burkesback yard do a top 10 in dogs and the 10 ten most aggressive dogs...

From memory in the aggressive section the German Shep and APBT didnt rate a mention...it was the maltese that got the gold medal...

I remember the Maltese getting the gold as we were going to get one...now we are looking at a Golden Retriever...

Anyway if anyone can find out that info it would be great...cheers

[philstoj]

Its very sad to see this happen all over again...
Its always the same old shit stories, "pitbull mauls" "pitbull attacks", but in reality, were they really pitbull's?
Anyways, its always happens, the actions of a few dickheads stuffs it up for the rest of the responsible people out there...
The banning of this breed is just plain wrong, and im sure it will get to the stage where they will ban every dog that looks like a dangerous dog because too many people are idiots..
And whats next? they will do the same with staffy's and make up some lame stupid excuse...typical..

[Racecraft]

After a quick google I found some interesting stats

Dog Bites: Up to 2 deaths and approximately 1,400 hospital admissions (Monash Uni study/report dated 2003)

Shark Bites: 2 deaths and another 30 hospitalised (SMH news:- year of 2004)

Horse Injuries: 5 deaths and 366 hospital addmissions (only children under 15 surveyed, so I would imagine across the whole age range it would be alot higher) (Franklin et al 2000)

Snake Bites: 4-6 Deaths per year and Between 500-3000 bites per year with between 300-500 requiring anti-venom (BurkesBackYard 1999)

Spider Bites:2000 people are bitten each year by Redback Spiders. (Sutherland, S K and Nolch, G- Year of 2000)


When you consider the number of dogs in Australia, I find it amazing the government can justify labelling any breed dangerous and malicous..

My solution that struck me when I found the number of snake/spider bites per annum is simple..

Instead of banning a breed of dog, how about an education campaign to teach people how to behave around all dogs.. Very similar to the way we are educated to be aware of snakes. "In 80% of cases when bites occur, it's usually because the snake has been surprised or cornered and the person is intruding upon its' territory or trying to catch or kill it." IMHO the same applies to most animals, there is a reason they bite, attack and show aggression.

If people were informed that dogs and even cats ffs think along the same way as 'wild' animals like snakes and spiders I'm sure the dog related incidents would dimish.

In context to most people being bitten (OK im generalising) I would hedge a bet that it is because the dog feels intimidated and not because the dog is trying to catch its next meal or hereditarily malicious. Considering the "fight or flight" instinct every animal possess we can't stop d*ckheads from owning any form of animal capable of inflicting injury but to then blame that animal for resorting to instinct (as it hasn't been schooled not to) or doing what it has been taught is simply narrow minded.


Sorry for the long post,,

[tickford302]

Originally Posted by useless

1 year ago I was walking my golden retriever along the street when a bullterrirer raced out of a house bit my dog on the hind leg,my dog terrified got off his lead ran on to the road and got hit by a 4wd.In the same instance the bullterrier growl at me ready to pounce.So with the steel lead I whipped that mofo so quick that he thought I was the bull terrier. The look in his eyes from the beginning was that he wanted to eat me.It was chilling.But what he didnt know is that he set me off and I wanted him for breakfast!!!

Exterminate the bloody things.

I am sorry to hear about your dog but as you can see it was not your fault for walking your dog nor was it the bullterrier for attacking your dog. The question has to be asked where was the OWNER and what the F%^K was the dog doing out on its own.If it had been enclosed properly than that instance would not have happend.If i were you i would want to seriously hurt the owner for letting the dog be in that situation in the first place.
BAN THE DEED NOT THE BREED.......

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by useless

1 year ago I was walking my golden retriever along the street when a bullterrirer raced out of a house bit my dog on the hind leg,my dog terrified got off his lead ran on to the road and got hit by a 4wd.In the same instance the bullterrier growl at me ready to pounce.So with the steel lead I whipped that mofo so quick that he thought I was the bull terrier. The look in his eyes from the beginning was that he wanted to eat me.It was chilling.But what he didnt know is that he set me off and I wanted him for breakfast!!!

Exterminate the bloody things.

So when people jump up and down about hoons and banning performance cars you jump down their throat, yet you want to just ban a breed of dog based on one ******** owner?

I've been bitten by more shitty little yap dogs than these so called dangerous dogs. I'll bet it's due to the fact the majority of the owners of these 'dogs' don't see them as dangerous so don't bother doing anything about training them, while the owners of 'dangerous' dogs know it's their responsibility to train their dog properly.

Our Shepherd is never outside without a leash (unless she gets through the gates and I'm chasing her down), she jumps a bit but when you tell her 'down' she gets down and stays down. It's just her way of playing. When I've moved into a place of my own I'll be getting another Shepherd, no one will be stopping me. Last two dogs have been pure breeds and they are one of the best, most loyal dogs around, hands down.

How about more enforcement of training and ensuring people have the proper additudes towards dog ownership? Oh shit, that'd cost money and doesn't grab votes from these do good ****ers who spend thousands grooming their runty little yap dogs.

[The MaDDeSTMaN]

This is a topic I feel EXTREMELY strongly about - just ask LuvinmyEB who has heard me rant since I heard about this.

Personally, I blame the media, they are the ones who have convinced the average Joh that particular dog breeds are "dangerous".

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

It's all bullshit. We've got a German Shepherd, she would lick you to death before she bit you. When I play with her we'll both get rough with each other, she'll growl and bark but she's NEVER bit me.

But hey, it's easy to just ban things baised on flawed evidence than find real solutions. It's all about getting votes and Pit Bull/Shepherd/Dingo/South American Testicle Eating dog owners don't count for shit in the sceme of things.

I Agree 100%, it's bullshit, but they think that there are more people (who vote) who will be for it then against it, simple as that. If they thought that the majority of people wouldn't agree to have a particular breed eradicated, then they wouldn't risk ****ing them off because it would be remembered at the next election.

Originally Posted by MotherNature

Its OK to say 'awwwwwww but little Johnnie didnt do a thing to the dog when it attacked ' ....... but what did he do to him last time he walked past the gate ??????

well said. Or maybe another person the same size as little Johnnie. It reminds me of the stories the media has shown of "family dog bites child", where the parents are interviewed and say something like "we've had the dog for 3 years, he's always been the family dog, and today he just 'snapped' and bit poor little Peter. Now we know that breed of dog is unsafe.". Ok, lets look at the bigger picture. How old was the dog when they got it? What sort of an enviroment was the dog in before they got it? How well has the dog been treated, and has the child always been supervised around the dog to ensure it's not doing anything like pulling the dogs tail? And many other questions. But no, that doesn't sell newspapers or get ratings does it? Shame on me for suggesting that the media could actually attempt to tell the whole story!

Originally Posted by svo347

The more important question to be asked here is which breed is next???

Indeed. Banning one particular breed like this sets a very worrying precident. Next thing you know, any breed of dog that barks is banned, because some idiot decides that barking is a warning that it's about to bite. Not only that, it could very well go 'underground' - how well did prohibition of alcohol in the US work?

I could write so much more about this, it makes my blood boil to think that idiots blame the dog breed when it's not the breed that is the problem...

[xceler8shun]

Originally Posted by ferris01

Correct me if I am wrong and sound daggy...

But didnt Burkesback yard do a top 10 in dogs and the 10 ten most aggressive dogs...

From memory in the aggressive section the German Shep and APBT didnt rate a mention...it was the maltese that got the gold medal...

I remember the Maltese getting the gold as we were going to get one...now we are looking at a Golden Retriever...

Anyway if anyone can find out that info it would be great...cheers

you are partially correct ferris01

this is the information you are referring to

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/200...friendly_pages

The 10 breeds most dumped due to aggression* are:
1. Maltese
2. Australian Cattle Dog
3. Fox Terrier
4. Alaskan Malamute
5. Rottweiler
6. Akita
7. Australian Silky Terrier
8. Old English Sheepdog
9. German Shepherd
10. Jack Russell Terrier

[MotherNatureVer2]

Mmmmm so having read that link you gave ..... .Why the hell are Maltese lapdogs not banned ?????????? Is it cause they look cute & cuddly to some(Not me though) ??????

I fully expected the Cattle Dogs to be up there in the lists ..... they are working dogs who need the proper attention from early puppy stage ie: from when their eyes open. They are NOT city dogs & this is part of the reason I refuse to live in the city......

I know my beloved breed will be on the hit list soon ,....... but that will be typical of how us coutry folk are treated .......... someone with a tie on who sits behind a desk all day will try to make our fate ..........

A thought for you all ................ Why the hell are Brown Snakes a protected species and they are trying to ban certain dog breeds ??????????????

My Old Cooper died protecting my family from these horrid fatal pests .................

[gunslinger]

<rant>
Great, just another example of the stupid bloody government pandering to popular opinion that is generated and hyped by bloody media who are not in the least bit interested in a balanced reporting of the facts but are as always driven by the ever important dollar which means ratings which means hot topics inflamed to stir peoples emotions. (hey, it worked)
And then the government, instead of doing its job and examining the facts and making an informed decision, jumps on the bandwagon to buy votes.
Great, hey, lets ban pitty's, rotties, shepherds, etc.., then everyone else can ban them, hey, weve just wiped out a species or three, great.
As people have so rightly pointed out, the main offenders are yappers, why? I dont know. Maybe because a) theyre so small they feel intimidated by anything and everything because its bigger than them and b) because their bloody owners dont discipline them and train because they can hold them back with one finger.
They can all get F@#$@d.
If they ban them, they will just go underground, and rightly so.
</rant>
Hmm, time for a lie down.

JB out :(

[Casper]

Originally Posted by useless

1 year ago I was walking my golden retriever along the street when a bullterrirer raced out of a house bit my dog on the hind leg,my dog terrified got off his lead ran on to the road and got hit by a 4wd.In the same instance the bullterrier growl at me ready to pounce.So with the steel lead I whipped that mofo so quick that he thought I was the bull terrier. The look in his eyes from the beginning was that he wanted to eat me.It was chilling.But what he didnt know is that he set me off and I wanted him for breakfast!!!

Exterminate the bloody things.

Well, when I was a kid I was walking my Grandmothers Fox Terrier along the road when guess what? Both of us were mauled by a Golden Retriever.
Better exterminate them too, go figure.

[Angry Beaver]

Heres one solution. You have to have a licence to own a gun. How about licencing owners of ALL pets. Hey i will pay for it i will also back it fully. But No that would be to simple to do that lets just make a mockery of ourselves and how far we have developed socially and morally since the stone age. Come on, Its about time we put aside the bigotry and start to look at the real facts. Sorry about the spelling but i am getting angry about the whole thing. As i said to casper its something my father and i used to debate about the whole entire time its the only thing we ever disagreed on.

[TICK4D]

I'm sure it has been said, but...

The Pit Bulls are great gentle dogs, but saying that they were breed for fighting other dogs. They are great towards humans, but terrible with other dogs.

All this can be avoided however with responsible owners who socialise their dogs with others, not just the ones in their own yard.

It would also help if people teach kids how to interact with dogs too.

Thats my two cents........

[LuvinmyEB]

I have to admit that I have never seen a pitbull that wasn't trained to attack or was a quiet and gentle dog. That is not to say that they do not exist.

On one show I was watching about Pitbulls or American pitbulls, they showed a dog that was very similar to my dog including markings. It was probably TT or ACA. :

The council have come to my house on 3 occasions telling me that he's a APBT, their jaws drop when I show them papers from the vet stating that he's a staffy/mastiff cross.

I used to have a pomeranian/chiuaha (one of those yappy dogs), that thing would bite you as soon as look at you. He was impossible to train and it wasn't just me that was trying to train it. With Max (my staffy/mastiff), I will never let anyone in the backyard alone with him (if you want to come in by yourself without my knowledge be my guest, you'll get what you deserve), because ANY dog can turn at ANY time.
He will just sit while I get his feed, I can take away his food while he's eating and he'll just look at me and wait. He is never walked without a strong lead, I've trained him to walk beside me and he has never tried to get away and he is always kept behind gates and a brick wall.

At night you sometimes hear a banging on the back screen door, when you go out to find out what's wrong with him, you'll usually find that the back light is off... a staffy/mastiff that doesn't like the dark. :

Other times he'll come around to the glass door where he can see you and sit there and whine. If you go out the back he just wants a pat or rub on the belly and then lies across your feet for five minutes. He just wanted some attention.

He's a big bloody sook!!


Could you say no to a face like that?

Too bad if they try and ban this type of dog because I'm going to take him to a guy around the corners house who has a female that is the exact same breed (he's been begging me to let them mate for ages). So there will be puppies on the way soon.

My aunties dog (a bitsa) was mauled by a greyhound, it chewed it's left hind leg off and at the same time was chewing on the owners arm (who was walking another five without muzzles at the same time). The owner needed microsurgery from his wrist to his elbow, I say it was his own fault. It took 30 minutes to get that greyhound to let go and that was with a hose up it's nose and it's backside!!

Hrmmm.. lets ban Greyhounds!!!

[Falcon Coupe]

Originally Posted by useless

1 year ago I was walking my golden retriever along the street when a bullterrirer raced out of a house bit my dog on the hind leg,my dog terrified got off his lead ran on to the road and got hit by a 4wd.In the same instance the bullterrier growl at me ready to pounce.So with the steel lead I whipped that mofo so quick that he thought I was the bull terrier. The look in his eyes from the beginning was that he wanted to eat me.It was chilling.But what he didnt know is that he set me off and I wanted him for breakfast!!!

Exterminate the bloody things.

A Magpie swooped and pecked me once, lets exterminate them as well,
not to mention a Bloke at a pup attacked me once, lets exterminate all blokes, they can't be trusted. :rolleyes:

[Psycho Chicken]

Max is a great dog! You were really lucky with him, he's a playfull little thing which is great considering the old owner was obviously a nuckle head.

[LuvinmyEB]

Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Max is a great dog! You were really lucky with him, he's a playfull little thing which is great considering the old owner was obviously a nuckle head.

He's still chasing that tail and catching it, but he still wont touch that Holden hub cap. :
He would have licked you to death before he bit you, but I think you saw that for yourself. I was lucky to get such a good tempered dog.

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

A Magpie swooped and pecked me once, lets exterminate them as well,
not to mention a Bloke at a pup attacked me once, lets exterminate all blokes, they can't be trusted. :rolleyes:

A drunk chick picked a fight with me at a nightclub once, lets kill off all drunk chicks! Oh and while we're at it lesbians too, they seem to hit on me whenever I go to a club.

Death to drunk chicks and lesbians!!!

Ooh now I'm gonna get flamed. :hihi:

[ferris01]

Just wondering how the poor child is going...Hmmmm

[tickford302]

I believe the child is doing alot better than the dog,the child is still alive.......and guess what the owner is off scott free!!!!!!!

[eb_5litre]

You cant educate idiots or irresponsible people.
So we can either ban dogs all together or restrict ownership of all dogs.
I dont care whether its the dogs fault or not... if it came down to a member of my family being in danger then the dogs going to cop it as I value human life more than an animals. Sure it sucks and isnt fair on the dog but thats life.... an owner may get punished, or probably wont and that doesnt make me sleep any better at night.
Ban dogs or Ban dickheads.... doesnt really concern me which one as long as my family is safe.

[GhiaEB]

I used to own a 70kg rottie... He was the biggest sook going we even let a 3yo walk him( he was walking beside me and the 3yo was only holding the lead) every time she dropped the lead he would stop and wait for her to pick it up.

Sadly he is now old and grumpy (14yo) and i don't trust him around new people. I now own a Rotti X ??? and anyone who has met him wants to take him home... he is the most loving dog out there yet he has had the council come around and said that they had heard he is a danger to the community (some mole rang up and complained because she had a dislike to me and my dog (Buka)). yet when the council bloke came round he reached over my fence and was patting him without me being there it was only when i arrived home and saw someone in my back yard that i went nutz.

That vid needs to be shown on Aca or today-tonight...

Dog owners need to be held more responsable for what there animals do...

Just my 2c

Cheers

Ben

[Racecraft]

Originally Posted by eb_5litre

You cant educate idiots or irresponsible people.
So we can either ban dogs all together or restrict ownership of all dogs.
I dont care whether its the dogs fault or not... if it came down to a member of my family being in danger then the dogs going to cop it as I value human life more than an animals. Sure it sucks and isnt fair on the dog but thats life.... an owner may get punished, or probably wont and that doesnt make me sleep any better at night.
Ban dogs or Ban dickheads.... doesnt really concern me which one as long as my family is safe.

So you don't drive a car atm or better still perhaps you shouldn't leave the house... We all have concerns for our loved ones but the arguement over this ban is that ANY breed of dog doesn't pose a great threat to our general well being. As I have stated total dog bites are such a tiny percentage of the dangers that we face everyday.
To single out A LIVING BREATHING CREATURE capable of loving and returning affection over the thousands of inanimate dangers and/or wildlife (that are protected by law) that we face in our everyday lives is ridiculous.

[Thornie]

Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

A Magpie swooped and pecked me once, lets exterminate them as well,
not to mention a Bloke at a pup attacked me once, lets exterminate all blokes, they can't be trusted. :rolleyes:

.:off topic:.
hell i agree to that i cant ride my pushbike past any of the intersections here because i get swooped the council thinks relocating them out of town near my area is ok

[Sourbastard]

Ive grown up with rottweilers, i was taught to walk by an afghan hound believe it or not, and the information that dribbles out of governments and most action groups can be summed in one word. Bull-Shit

If someone broke into my back yard, he better hope I get to him before the dogs, cause if they bite him, ill bury the bastard at sea before i put my dogs down for defending my territory. If i lay hands on him before the dogs, he atleast has a 50 50 chance of surviving his encounter in bastard land.

Governments know about as much on the subjects they legislate on, as a rather slow 6 year old in a special school. We know how much they get their facts wrong about our lifestyle, why trust what they say about any other subject they profess to be expert enough on to impose laws.

Usually it comes down to one equation, too many idiots owning dogs who think they know what they are doing, too many idiots writing laws who think they know what they are doing

And lets not forget the many idiots who would rather blame a dog for biting little johnny, then little johnny for stabbing the dog in the eye with a pen(And yes ive seen that happen)