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https://www.beautyofbirds.com/wedgetailedeagles.html cheers, Maka
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I work in an industry that has a heavy union presence and the increases over the years have been healthy for the workers. I am staff and dont have the same support as the guys on my crew so I have only seen one minor increase in the past 6 years. Our yearly income is almost the same. As for whoever made the comment about Fairwork fining companies who underpay is a joke. Remember Kevin Rudds wife underpaying her staff by $70k? She was investigated and found not guilty of deliberately underpaying staff and not fined.
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The cost of just getting a model from the start of the drawing to the show room floor would be hopeless, the first Holden FX could be said of that it was the most advanced car in the world at the time. If only Australia was involved alone it would of been just a backwards 3rd rate rubbish car that they would of come up with. The Government were smart in them days and did the best thing, Australia benefited greatly for it all. Not only in only making cars but all the rest that really kicked Australia off and we got many people who became experience out of it all who went on to benefit others. it made Australia great and people could be proud of our nation. People who bag GM and Ford USA back in all them days are just fools, I hear crap about USA making money out of Australia, oh boo hoo ! someone makes an investment in something, should hope to make a return on that investment I would think, because if such did not, we would all be living in f ing wigwams. Oh some can't count past ones fingers and toes or one thinks someone is making more money than they are, well that's just to bad and that's the type of moron that would struggle to run even a chook raffle. When the head of GM was asked if they would invest in making a car in Australia he refused to bother because such a thing would of been a dead investment, so the gov came up with the plan so they would invest, so no fully Aussie company could of had a crack an make a go of it on such a scale. |
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That was way back & thanks for the history lesson lol.
We are in the present here & now with the future to look forward to. We have the people & the know how now, if we didnt why are the various auto design studios still here? We as a country will never do anything if fear mongers keep sprouting untruthful crap, think small - stay small, think big - be big. If Aussie people & companies present & past didnt have a go on a global scale, this country would already be 3rd world.. This is a nice link to read - https://www.smh.com.au/business/new-...13-gz097l.html Today, we as a country have everything to be successful on a global scale at anything we want to if we had the balls to do it. cheers, Maka
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Up until Friday, I was seeing a few Equinox and Commodore ads on free to air
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She was getting 1.5x the average wage the year after her graduation and it gets better over time now she has 10+ years.
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I’d call $65k a very poor wage. Not even factoring in the stressful conditions nurses can be required to work under. Nights, weekends, public holidays. Cleaning up blood, vomit, wiping up old guys who’ve crapped themselves. Watching children being diagnosed with cancer. Comforting patients today, watching their corpse being wheeled away tomorrow. Physical abuse from patients such as junkies. All for $65k? I wouldn’t even get out of bed for that money, let alone deal with that. |
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Really? I find that difficult to believe.
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There are a number of nursing grades with different levels of pay. Mercury Bullet’s niece is a grad, so she would be a registered nurse, and with overtime payments, she would earn a reasonable wage. It is a difficult job.
But back on topic, this article appeared in SMH today about Holden: https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p4z9gs.html The average number of car sales for Holden dealers last month was only 26.
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My daughter is a registered nurse in a NSW public hospital and her annual salary is well north of the $65K average that you mentioned. Your average is calculated from the wages of ENs, RNs and others. Which is why Mercury Bullet’s niece, who is an RN, earns more than the average. I agree that nurses deserve higher pay for what they do.
Why are we talking about nurses in a thread about Holden’s dire situation?
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That's because its a mathematical average and not a real world average.
By that I mean most people in the real world would be in the 50-60k bracket. The ones that are above are WELL ABOVE and as a result when its balanced out you get this misleading "average" wage. |
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Yes, the median provides a better indicator than an average.
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Some excerpts from that article:
https://www.smh.com.au/business/comp...13-p4z9gs.html “Furious dealers were among analysts who attended a recent crisis meeting at the Port Melbourne headquarters to formulate a plan for the future of the General Motors-owned brand. An unprecedented sales slump and a failure of much-hyped new imported models to fire has instigated discounting, degrading the brand.” “In February, Holden posted its worst monthly sales. It was followed in March by a record low market share of 4.8 per cent. Worse, Holden has slipped to 10th on the sales charts. Until 2018 the brand had never been below fourth.” “In the first quarter the average Holden dealer shifted just 26 new cars per month. In comparison, the average Toyota dealer sold 85 per month and the average Mazda dealer 72. Even Mercedes-Benz – a premium brand with higher margins – shifted 57 cars per dealer. Many of those sales were classified as demonstrators. (for customer test drives. In the case of Astra, demonstrator registrations outdid sales to private buyers, according to figures reported to the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries). Those cars end up being sold as near-new vehicles, often at big discounts. Sales were expected to dip post-manufacturing, but no one – including Holden – expected them to drop so dramatically. Holden’s market share has slumped from 7.1 per cent before the manufacturing shutdown to 5.3 per cent this year. The three most recent brands to cease local manufacturing in Australia – Toyota, Ford and Mitsubishi – experienced nothing like that plunge. It’s indicative of a brand that’s relied on locally-made large cars, which have been the backbone of Holden for 69 years. “They didn’t pay attention to the consequences of not having their flagship car and relying solely upon it.” “It was once families, farmers, business executives and middle class Australia lining up to buy Holdens. But in recent years it’s turned its attention to minorities – LGBTI and ethnic groups – “to better reflect and connect with today’s Australia”, none of which is a bad thing. In doing so, it turned its back on traditional Holden buyers, the people arguably most likely to give the brand a chance in its import-only form. Holden also focused on younger buyers, an odd move considering the average age of a new car buyer is 51. There was backtracking once Holden realised it had alienated so many. Despite the sales slump, orders were in and boats were on their way, leaving dealerships with excess and executives scratching their heads over how to clear the backlog. Panic appears to have set in – and sporadic extended warranties and discounting have been the solution. Holden is selling its small car – which when it launched last year was hailed as “stronger than ever” – for less than rivals are selling city cars.”
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Nurses may require a uni degree, but that doesn't mean all nurses are particularly highly trained individuals with significant responsibility. The nurses that do have significant level of autonomy and responsibility are paid well. Like any job, the number of people needed to do that job reduces as you climb the ladder. We cant all be managers, and nor are we all capable of being them. Supply/demand means that grunt work is cheap. |
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Car buyers don’t like uncertainty, Holden’s message has been mixed, they lack consistency. Growth categories are filled with GM sourced cars that are below average Trax-Underdone (I’m driving a work one now) Equinox-underdone, strange packaging Colorado-underdone even though it’s $10k cheaper than hilux They need a 7year warranty across the range as a minumum, they need a cheap headline interest rate to get finance customers over the line. I don’t think any of this will happen, the whole brand has the smell of death around it.
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I think Holden and its dealers are truly shocked at the moment and as much as we speculate what now,
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Nursing wages vary from State to State. My daughter as a first year solicitor was on $65k. That's Monday to Friday-8-5 no afternoon/nightshifts or weekend work. I am a nurse and our pay isn't good. Its only because of shiftwork/weekend work that makes it reasonable.
Nurses in nursing homes are badly paid. That's a disgrace, I would be on $5 an hour less in a nursing home than a public hospital. The really high paid jobs in nursing are very few. No Australian has had a decent pay rise in 10 years form Bureau of Stats. Except the Pollies !! My EB 10 is offering 2.5% !!! Spend a weekend in ED! and see what nurses Drs put up with. Now, Nurses have a Code of Conduct towards indigenous. end of rant, https://www.health.qld.gov.au/hrpoli..._rates/nursing
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danzvtil.. Equinox-underdone, strange packaging. Wheels March issue comparison between Escape Trend FWD and Equinox LS+. Trend outscores Escape by 1 point. Ford charge $1300 for AEB, blind-spot monitoring, lane-keep assist and active cruise control. (should be able to get it in a deal)All standard on Equinox. Escape is more expensive to own that Equinox, Servicing is $295 more in Trend over 3 years. Equinox can tow 2 tonne Escape 1800 tonne. They are both very close and its buyers decision to go blue or red.
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Supply/demand. Its comparatively easy to become a nurse, far less so if you want to be a lawyer. I see a lot of people currently whining about childcare wages too, but ignoring the fact that its probably the easiest option for someone with low skills straight out of school. The path to higher wages in an industry is to create barriers to entry, be they academic requirements, or higher professional standards.
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Back to the OP's question.
Nope. For Holden to re-start manufacturing here is not as simple as having parts ready to go...VF was gling to be replaced around about this time as it is... Not to mention the costs of re-negotiating supply deals, work force etc etc. There is no turning back.
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Law isn't easy 4 years to get the Law Degree then another a year for the Associate Diploma Right to Practice. Law degree doesn't qualify you as a lawyer. You need Assoc Dip. back to topic.
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Holden were expecting this thing to battle the market leaders in terms of sales. But it has absolutely bombed. The Holden brand is dirt atm. |
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it also buoyed all those other car and SUV sales that dealerships relied on....... It's really hit the fan over at Holden, big time. |
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