Woman pulled over for driving too slow

[SensationFG8]

Well the way I read the article the contrary view is that she didn't stab in defence of the saucpan hit. She stabbed afterwards when they were only in a verbal confrontation, that's probably not proportional. Also if he'd made any decent contact with that pan there's no way she'd be walking around. Not condoning hitting anyone at all but there does seem to be some gaps in the story here.

End of the day she was found not guilty and that's the only thing that matters.

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

Don't shoot the messenger... I'm only telling you what the law is.

But you're wrong, that lady was found not guilty.

Originally Posted by Bevsta007

Did you read the article to the end? the contrary view is from the dead mans family.

Of course they have a different view. Violent men aren't usually violent infront of other people, they're usually on their best behaviour and noone can believe that they're such a monster behind closed doors. It's not until there's noone around to witness them assaulting their partners.
The families of people who kill their partners almost always don't know that their son/brother/whoever is violent.

Originally Posted by Pedro

If that's your opinion, you should seek help.

Oh? Assuming that you're a man.. if another man attacked you by hitting you over the head with a blunt object and then starting coming towards you again, what would be your next step? Ask them nicely to please not do that again?

Originally Posted by SensationFG8

Well the way I read the article the contrary view is that she didn't stab in defence of the saucpan hit. She stabbed afterwards when they were only in a verbal confrontation, that's probably not proportional. Also if he'd made any decent contact with that pan there's no way she'd be walking around. Not condoning hitting anyone at all but there does seem to be some gaps in the story here.

End of the day she was found not guilty and that's the only thing that matters.

The article says he hit her over the head, so then she picked up a knife and he started walking towards her.


It's not a difficult concept. Don't violently assault your partner, whether they're male or female it doesn't matter. If you strike at someone, why on earth would you be surprised if they strike out in return?

That's probably not proportional.

She was found not guilty so apparently it was proportional. Anyone who disagrees with the outcome of that trial is in denial regarding the state and severity of domestic violence in this country. There's a lesson here - don't attack your partner.

[JAJH]

Originally Posted by leesa

She was found not guilty so apparently it was proportional. Anyone who disagrees with the outcome of that trial is in denial regarding the state and severity of domestic violence in this country. There's a lesson here - don't attack your partner.

By the sounds of it, you are a woman, and possibly someone who has experienced domestic violence. I'm not going to debate whether the crime was justified or the defence was proportional, but what I would like to suggest is, if the roles were reversed and the woman attacked the man with a saucepan and the man responded by stabbing the woman to death, I think it fair to say the legal system would have taken a different view to the self defence being proportional or justified. It's not just women who experience domestic violence.

[SensationFG8]

You're clearly passionate about the subject and taking things out of context.

I doubt anyone here thinks violence towards partners is acceptable. Again the way I'm reading the comments most people are talking about balance and proportion, there is only one person who has said that more violence is a good response to violence, I'll leave it to you to guess who that is...

[Mercury Bullet]

Originally Posted by leesa

But you're wrong, that lady was found not guilty.

No I'm not wrong. She was charged with murder was she not?

My missus hit me over the head with a saucepan once...after I came home from the strippers rotten drunk and covered in baby oil.

I think I went and had a lie down.

Originally Posted by JAJH

I'm not going to debate whether the crime was justified or the defence was proportional, but what I would like to suggest is, if the roles were reversed and the woman attacked the man with a saucepan and the man responded by stabbing the woman to death, I think it fair to say the legal system would have taken a different view to the self defence being proportional or justified. It's not just women who experience domestic violence.

That's not true. Phillip Bracken was also found not guilty a few years ago for shooting his wife who had been physically abusing him for years.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law...c92ad2ac4388cc

I have been quite clear in my comments that it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, that threatening the life of your partner is not on.

Originally Posted by Mercury Bullet

No I'm not wrong. She was charged with murder was she not?

Charged but found not guilty, so not convicted of anything.

[Blue Shadow]

Not sure where a proportional response comes into it, If she was claiming self defence then she had to prove that the conduct was a reasonable response. No one here knows how the defence was presented.

[JAJH]

Originally Posted by leesa

That's not true. Phillip Bracken was also found not guilty a few years ago for shooting his wife who had been physically abusing him for years.

I have been quite clear in my comments that it doesn't matter if you're a man or a woman, that threatening the life of your partner is not on.

I'm not arguing with you but I am confused about your response, "That's not true". What are you referring to?

[Syndrome]

Originally Posted by LG17

I agree.
I set my cruise on 100 and downhill it usually only creeps up to about 103/104. Too slow for the ******** behind so he passes. Up the hill he slows down to 80. Meanwhile on my cruise control...

I HATE when that occurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by JAJH

what I would like to suggest is, if the roles were reversed, <snip> I think it fair to say the legal system would have taken a different view to the self defence being proportional or justified.

Originally Posted by JAJH

I'm not arguing with you but I am confused about your response, "That's not true". What are you referring to?

I could probably have made that part clearer. It was in reference to the first bit above where you say it's fair to say the legal system would have taken a different view. They also took the view that Peter Bracken shot his wife in self defense.

[Fordman1]

This thread has gone off topic.

I think sensible people agree this driver got her medicine - the problem is she doesn't get it.

Keep to the left - problem solved.

[.:4:.]

My worst case of cracking it with slow people in the fast lane was when I towed my boat (1600 odd kgs behind a bf) from the south coast back to sydney. On cruise sitting on 80 half way up Mt usley rd, trucks doing 40 in the left lane, I was overtaking where necessary to keep momentum. Then a guy towing a caravan was in the middle lane overtaking semis at 50. That's fine. But in the right lane was a guy towing a pop top camper behind an old land cruiser doing 52. It took him what seemed like an eternity to pass. He got past at the top of the hill. At the top. After I got past so did the now long line of traffic. It ruined my 2 and a half hour drive getting tailgated by a boat.

[Pepscobra]

Her behaviour and attitude is probably typical of a lot of drivers today.
Proper driver training and regular 're-training' has gone down the toilet... or maybe never existed in the first place?
Young people are taught to 'pass the test', not to actually drive.
And once we have our licence, there is really no way of monitoring or retesting.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by Pepscobra

Her behaviour and attitude is probably typical of a lot of drivers today.
Proper driver training and regular 're-training' has gone down the toilet... or maybe never existed in the first place?
Young people are taught to 'pass the test', not to actually drive.
And once we have our licence, there is really no way of monitoring or retesting.

I agree. Whilst I have much greater road sense and driving ability then on my P's, I'd probably fail the L's test if I had to sit it tomorrow. Some rules have changed.

[LG17]

She killed someone and got off, she committed a driving offence and didn't get off.

I think she needs to understand when she's well off and just shut the **** up.

[.:4:.]

Originally Posted by LG17

She killed someone and got off, she committed a driving offence and didn't get off.

I think she needs to understand when she's well off and just shut the **** up.

That poses a business question, why would any lady buy a wedding dress designed by a lady who murdered her husband? Wouldn't that be a bad start to a marriage?

Originally Posted by .:4:.

That poses a business question, why would any lady buy a wedding dress designed by a lady who murdered her husband? Wouldn't that be a bad start to a marriage?

Check out her google reviews, holy christ!

[sly_ba]

Leesa, find something else to do other than comment in this thread... You are way off topic and clearly have an axe to grind.

[Tom Tucker]

Originally Posted by JAJH

I have made it known before since moving from Vic to Qld ten years ago, Qld drivers are some of the worst I have seen in 40 years driving. Just today, I drove north from Burleigh to home south of Brisbane, a distance of around 60klms. I cam across a tradie in a ute (Holden, of course) who sat in the right lane all the way. Although he sat on the speed limit, he had no consideration for anyone else on the road. Everyone was forced to go around him to the left and dispite the flashes he get from other drivers, he just sat there in the right lane. I think most people have no idea what the rule is in most states relating to the right lane, they figure, "I'm sitting on the speed limit, I don't have to move".

100% QLD drivers are the worst in this regard. But strangely the 'keep left unless overtaking' rule, doesn't apply, and isn't enforced in QLD. That's why even large trucks think it's ok to hang in the right lane. The rules literally state that you can be in any lane above 80km/h. It's retarded

[Trump]

What if leesa is the lady in the aforementioned video...

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by leesa

Check out her google reviews, holy christ!

got a link to the reviews, I can't find them

[Tassie f100]

I thought the topic was about getting booked for driving in the right lane,not about being guilty or otherwise of killing her husband

[Tom Tucker]

Originally Posted by Syndrome

I HATE when that occurs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Me too. 100km/h cruise setting is more like 96km/h, so you're holding me up

[Blue Shadow]

Originally Posted by Tom Tucker

100% QLD drivers are the worst in this regard. But strangely the 'keep left unless overtaking' rule, doesn't apply, and isn't enforced in QLD. That's why even large trucks think it's ok to hang in the right lane. The rules literally state that you can be in any lane above 80km/h. It's retarded

QLD RULE

Keeping left and overtaking
Keeping left

On single-lane roads, you must stay as close as practical to the left side of the road.

On multi-lane roads, if the speed limit is 90km/h or more, or if the road has a ‘keep left unless overtaking’ sign, you must not drive in the right-hand lane unless you are:

overtaking
turning right
making a U-turn
avoiding an obstruction
driving in congested traffic
using a special purpose lane that you are allowed to be in.
Drivers are allowed to overtake on the left on all multi-lane roads.

[Stefan]

The video of Lena praising Police for attending to her after she was the victim of domestic violence is not loading....

[Ford17]

Originally Posted by Blue Shadow

got a link to the reviews, I can't find them

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=L...3150c306f51e,1,

[Tom Tucker]

Originally Posted by Blue Shadow

QLD RULE

Keeping left and overtaking
Keeping left

On single-lane roads, you must stay as close as practical to the left side of the road.

On multi-lane roads, if the speed limit is 90km/h or more, or if the road has a ‘keep left unless overtaking’ sign, you must not drive in the right-hand lane unless you are:

overtaking
turning right
making a U-turn
avoiding an obstruction
driving in congested traffic
using a special purpose lane that you are allowed to be in.
Drivers are allowed to overtake on the left on all multi-lane roads.

I wonder if that changed within the last 12 months? I distinctly recall looking up the rule about 18 months ago to try and make sense of the rampant right lane loitering in QLD

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by Trump

What if leesa is the lady in the aforementioned video...

$10 leesa is a man