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The problem with the AWD is that it grips too much hence the shock to the drive line plus it was under engineered to cope with the stress. But then again when they were first introduced, I don't think Subaru were building them with respect to hoons picking them up second hand a few years later and dropping the clutch everywhere they go. Nor driving them through shopfronts either ![]() |
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The only reason I'm arguing is that someone else (with a single-digit name, ahem) mentioned that I said I can beat a WRX in reply to my comment about my lack of faith in Lancer build quality and then people started to attack me. None of this has absolutley anything at all to do with the thread topic and I definitley didn't start it. And yes, definitley agree 100%, come twisty time... these types of cars... ![]()
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Funny how a thread on the EVO X became a battle for supremacy between a WRX and a Renault!!!!
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Half the people in this thread know what they're talking about, the other half haven't the faintest. My old man picked up a IX late last year. He traded a Series One VYR8 (260kw manual) I loved the car, v8 with power to boot,That thing hauled , and if we're quoting magazines i.e motor and wheels, it was clocked anywhere from 5.7 to 6.1 0-100km/hr. The Evo is roughly the same, feels the same 0-100, but has been clocked a little quicker 5.4-5.7 (and not to mention 13.2-13.45 400m sprints). So? If anyone knows Hawkesbury lookout, you will know that a high powered boat such as the clubsport will be sideways every corner. Not the evo. There are numerous quotes from the worlds journo's who have driven this car saying that you WILL run out of go-nads before the car runs out of road. Forget the dragstrip, the evo will take on a clubbie, falcon, typhoon on the 400m, it may be a few tenths slower, but come to a race track, or any road with a bend in it for that matter, and it will come up trumps. As for fuel economy and insuarance, the latest wheels magazine (with the holden ute on the front) has insaurance quoes in the back, the evo ix i'm sure was cheaper to insure then the R8, and was rated 13.0L/100km. My old man (not a hoon) gets 10's/100
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Just an interesting thing, in regards to how all-conquering the Evo is supposed to be...
The good old Nurburgring-Nordschleife, 22km and 172 turns of fun... HSV GTS300 VTII - 8:15 Mitsubishi Lancer Evo9 - 8:11 Its interesting that the much newer Evo is only 4-sec faster on an 8:10 lap. That's 0.816% difference. Or akin to 5 tenths on a 1-min lap. In other-words, not much faster. Seems the all-conquering Evo can *just barely,* beat a 7-year old 1715kg HSV on the world's most famous race-track, through 172 corners its supposed to be far superior through. Either the Evo is overrated or the big Aussies are underrated. Either way, its advantage in this instance isn't what one would think it'd be. It will be interesting to see how much faster the Evo10 is over the 9.
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FFS more quotes from god knows where... Were they done on the same day, if not how did the track/weather conditions compare ? Who was driving ? What model EVO9 RS GT GSR FQ300 FQ320 FQ340 FQ360 Steffo your endless quoting of crap you know nothing about really is pointless ![]() |
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Oh and don't accuse me of "quoting crap I know nothing about," because you're going above your head there. I know more about the "crap," I'm quoting then you could fathom, otherwise I wouldn't post it. Keep any stereotypes you may believe about me to yourself, they're not needed, reality is they're just that, stereotypes, and the fact that you're so hollow-skulled as to jump on that bandwagon and believe them only goes to discredit you.
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Different day, different circumstances. You can not just pull times from different motoring mags and say this is the difference. Same day same driver back to back will give you a better idea. Also remember that Nurburgring has a lot of long straights with sweeping corners, the HSV isnt going to struggle around those as much as tight corners for instance on a hill climb!
Also Steffo, i dont think you would beat a WRX, i have beaten plenty of clio's in my 06 Polo GTI and im on the heals of WRX. Yes you can beat them if the person driving cant drive at all, but thats like me taking the out of my brother and claiming it as a serious win, when he screwed a launch in his BF typhoon and i took 2 to 3 car lengths out of him. |
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On the other hand, if anyone would like to sponsor me and get these two cars at the track, i will fly over and give it a ripe old go for the sake of comparing ![]() Back on topic now, the Evo X is a top looking car and i think it will be much better than what people think. Japan tend to understate there cars and i dont think this will be the exception, so bring on the tests i say! |
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About the Clio vs. WRX, street races are not the most conclusive test. I've heard guys in stock VN V6s claim to have beaten XR6 Turbos on the street. Let us know how you go at the drag strip though. Cheers. |
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ive always liked the evos.
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They think that because the car is AWD, they can do anything, and alot of the time, it gives people a false sense of security. AWD cars can let go too. XR6 Turbo vs VN hey? Was the XR6T parked? ![]() ![]()
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I suppose we should wait until we can get some proper performance indicators before we write the X off. I was just disappointed that with the amount of hype this car has received it appears to be only slightly better then its predecessor. In other news http://www.worldcarfans.com/9070924....rest-shots-yet Will be interesting if it's hype has been blown out of porportion. |
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PS - There are faster Porsches then the Carrera GT.
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Faster? That come from the factory? I think not. No doubt the GT-R won't be as good as the Carrera GT (which was US$440 000 mind you)but it's always good to see the japanese and the Americans stick it to the germans when it comes to performance cars for a fraction of the cost. The Corvette Z06 is another example, hands the 911 Turbo, Fezza 430 and Gallardo their asses for under half the asking price of the 3 euros, can't wait to see how the blue devil performs once it's released! |
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Technically not a production car, but it is a Porsche product that lays waste to any other road car they have made... 959, 911 GT1 Strassenversion, Carrera GT... you name it, none compare. Also my dream car. ![]() Oh and the C6 Z06 doesn't do any -handing to the 911 Turbo. Its rather reversed. Its about dead even with the F1 F430, and well... Gallardo is the oldest of these cars (2003 release), and understandably gets left behind.
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Some of the Ring lap times aren’t full laps (toll gate to finish line rather than finish line to finish line). It also has some massive straights which will possibly let a car with more straight line grunt peg back a good handling or short geared car’s lap times back.
I’d be interested to see what a Radical SR8 or the proposed hardtop does around there. The Dauer is based on an old design so it would be interesting to see what a more modern “open” design with numberplates would do around there. I’d certainly expect something like the Caparo T1 to give the lap record a good kicking. Back to the topic at hand. I’d happily have an Evo 6.5 or Evo 9 the’ve been quick at track days I’ve attended. The extra torque in the Evo 9 seems good (not 2.5 litres worth but still good for a 2.0). While the new Evo X shell is a result of a Daimler/Chrysler/Mitsubishi compromise they have pulled some weight out of it and redone suspension mounting locations. Hopefully the technology and tyre advances can claw back some of the losses caused by weight gain – I’d be thinking 1:37’s to 1:38’s around Winton.
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Radical's 6:55.06 for street cars still stands strong too, no one's close to beating that. The T1 will be interesting, but the coming-soon 500hp+ Turbo SR8 should give that thing a run for its money. And yeah... someone pulling a Dauer and making a street-version of an LMP1 car... like Audi with the R10... would be very cool. ![]()
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