Victoria Police Chief caught speeding - Page 3

**DJM83** · 10-01-2016, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Having just driven 2500 kms in the holidays, you are forced to constantly scan Speedo, speed signs etc. There are that many speed changes for no reason, constantly going from 100 to 110 back to 100 for no reason. I generally use my cruise control but with constant speed changes its not hard to get caught out.

Sign of the times in Australia, got to get revenue from somewhere.

Yep having done numerous Brisbane- NE Vic trips i found myself in the same situation, the amount of pointless speed limit changes is beyond ridiculous.

Good to see the usual culprits chime in defending the system.

monzie · 10-01-2016, 11:26 AM

And as part of his salary package the crime was probably committed in a tax payers funded car.

Brazen · 10-01-2016, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by monzie

And as part of his salary package the crime was probably committed in a tax payers funded car.

Yes it was a taxpayer funded 'executive' vehicle.

XB GS 351 Coupe · 10-01-2016, 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Express

I’ve know two fellows that went to University and had major career changes after many years in blue collar jobs and I still smile when I remember them talking about how exhausting it now was for them having to constantly think hard all day.

There are two kinds of fatigue, physical and mental.

And that doesn’t even touch on areas like high level stress in some jobs and many other factors that can make work a tough environment.

This is what a lot of blue collar workers fail to understand.

I been on both sides of the fence so I can see both sides to some degree.

Syndrome · 10-01-2016, 12:40 PM

I am shocked that he lived to tell his tale.

**Mesa** · 10-01-2016, 12:49 PM

Going to uni may make you intelligent, but it doesn't necessarily mean your smart.

This individual has inadvertently discovered that he's just as prone to mistakes and poor judgement as everyone else he's preached 'speed kills' to. Unfortunately for him his position makes it worse.

Should he be sacked? No. But this is going to make it hard for him or his department to be taken seriously every time they make a statement on speed kills.

Itsme · 10-01-2016, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by xxx000

So if he received a parking ticket for overstaying a meter would that be sufficient grounds for him to step aside?

We talking speeding where it is stated by law enforcement that it is dangerous to yourself & other road users who are put at risk of an accident.

Don't see how you could compare a parking fine to this debate.

XBROO · 10-01-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

This is what a lot of blue collar workers fail to understand.

I been on both sides of the fence so I can see both sides to some degree.

The big then with mental stress it run hand in hand with depression. Yep I think I'd rather sweat then stress.

zoesgift · 10-01-2016, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Speed limits should be based on driver skill - graded from A to say E grade with practical tests and experience taken into account . This way lower skilled drivers would have incentive to practice, learn and improve.
It makes no sense that someone like Mark Webber or a Truckie with 20 years experience is only allowed to travel at the same speed limit as learner driver.

while I agree there are huge differences in driver abilities ,you can be the best driver in the world it doesn't rule out human error or mechanical failure either on your part or someone elses causing serious damage/injury or death. I don't think it matters what your experience is rules are rules! can you imagine the govt and that's who it would be, running a driver skill grading program. the ONLY thing a govt thinks of in this area is to RAISE money not blow it. he got caught and im sure hes disappointed but NOT because hes a high ranking police officer but its the wrong thing to do! his position publicly makes the media grab a story and run imho ps im not a police officer!

lucas2 · 10-01-2016, 03:56 PM

Peninsula link uses point to point cameras to detect excessive speed. If he got detected at 108km/h, his speedo would most likely have been showing somewhere between 108-114km/h. Given it's point to point and the typical idiots blocking the right lane there I'd suggest he was probably traveling in excess of 108km/h for a decent amount of time. This doesn't appear to be a simple lapse in concentration considering the detection points can be 5-10 minutes apart. Instead it shows he was exceeding the limit for a prolonged period of time, not just a quick stab of the throttle in the wrong spot.

**Silver Ghia** · 10-01-2016, 04:25 PM

If he was found to have drifted over the speed limit for a prolonged period of time, he must have felt safe driving at that speed. Otherwise he would have slowed down, especially given his police driver training.

So all I can say is that it makes a mockery of the posted speed limit along that freeway,

And having driven along there a number of times, I think that's a pretty accurate conclusion.

Carrion · 10-01-2016, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Silver Ghia

If he was found to have drifted over the speed limit for a prolonged period of time, he must have felt safe driving at that speed. .

I don't think anybody should be drifting at that speed.

SumoDog68 · 10-01-2016, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by zoesgift

while I agree there are huge differences in driver abilities ,you can be the best driver in the world it doesn't rule out human error or mechanical failure either on your part or someone elses causing serious damage/injury or death. I don't think it matters what your experience is rules are rules! can you imagine the govt and that's who it would be, running a driver skill grading program. the ONLY thing a govt thinks of in this area is to RAISE money not blow it. he got caught and im sure hes disappointed but NOT because hes a high ranking police officer but its the wrong thing to do! his position publicly makes the media grab a story and run imho ps im not a police officer!

What I am saying is let's change the rules to take into account drivers skills. In other words rules can be changed :-)
I am not under the illusion this is going to happen , it is just a suggestion . If experience and training didn't matter everyone could drive busses and B doubles and fly any type of plane. It is only car drivers that are all deemed to be of the same skill.

Stefan · 10-01-2016, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

What I am saying is let's change the rules to take into account drivers skills. In other words rules can be changed :-)
I am not under the illusion this is going to happen , it is just a suggestion . If experience and training didn't matter everyone could drive busses and B doubles and fly any type of plane. It is only car drivers that are all deemed to be of the same skill.

They do, P platers are restricted in the cars they can buy, bikes are the same, so you can't just buy any car any time.

But be careful they may require additional testing to enable purchase of a high performance car for all drivers. Not all drivers will be able to simply step into an Aurion at the local Toyota dealer.

2242100 · 10-01-2016, 07:00 PM

The Commissioner does mention the need for "constant attention behind the wheel".
Watching the road?
or
Watching the speedo?

Iggle Piggle · 10-01-2016, 08:07 PM

Like a Boss*.

I figured it must have been a camera offence as cameras don't have discretionary powers to issue a warning, but the article says he revealed he was detected speeding "yesterday afternoon" and I doubt the turnaround for camera offences is that quick.

So if not a camera then that means he was booked by a cop. A cop that possibly is about to retire and gives no ****s; or does not know the name of his commissioner nor what he looks like; or really lives by "friend or foe, in they go"; or is seriously ****ed with his job and/or boss; or is very VERY serious about his job.

Seems weird that a cop would book his commissioner for such a minor offence where they have discretionary powers to issue a warning. Maybe the issuing officer pulled him over, realised who he was and went to issue a warning, but the commissioner took the fine as he knew gossip would see it all come out anyway and it would look worse for him and all concerned if he had received a warning when most other motorists would have been booked. Like the NSW premier that insisted on being fined for an illegal U-turn when he was initially given a warning.

Maybe the article was poorly written and should have read "he revealed yesterday afternoon that he was detected speeding", and the offence was a camera offence that had occurred several days/weeks prior.

Maybe I am thinking too hard (unusual for me).

* Assuming VicPol also refer to commissioned officers as "Boss"

Stefan · 10-01-2016, 08:17 PM

Surely must be camera, it would be a brave officer to pull him over and give him a ticket.

But a camera clicks and processes the fine and the ticket is simply issued to some gov department that registers his car.

SumoDog68 · 10-01-2016, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

They do, P platers are restricted in the cars they can buy, bikes are the same, so you can't just buy any car any time.

But be careful they may require additional testing to enable purchase of a high performance car for all drivers. Not all drivers will be able to simply step into an Aurion at the local Toyota dealer.

P plater restrictions are age not skill based - even if they don't drive at all once they are of certain age they can purchase XR6 turbo or even Aurion :-)
There is nothing wrong with additional testing for different classes of vehicles in a skill based system .

Carrion · 10-01-2016, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Surely must be camera, it would be a brave officer to pull him over and give him a ticket.

He is not the only one to hammer his boss this week. James Packer got refused entry to his own casino by his own security. Lol.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...20e86c25a3f917

Stefan · 10-01-2016, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Carrion

He is not the only one to hammer his boss this week. James Packer got refused entry to his own casino by his own security. Lol.

http://www.news.com.au/finance/work/...20e86c25a3f917

I saw that...WTF was he thinking.

malazn mafia · 11-01-2016, 12:09 AM

Ah the irony, like the story of how the man who invented the electric chair ended up being executed in his own invention. Victoria police and the entire road safety/licensing system is a complete joke.

SYZ · 11-01-2016, 07:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

When he pays the fine, who gets the money?

He gets at least part of it back as his government-paid salary. Traffic fines allegedly go into roads, safety, and traffic funding to help ease the burden on motorists, but we all know they really go into consolidated revenue to pay for things like the annual $70 million Melbourne Grand Prix, unsuccessful $200 million Olympic Games bids, and the bottomless "Arts" pit.

Anyway, Ashton's accountant will probably slip it into his next tax return as a "business expense" LOL.

xxx000 · 11-01-2016, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by malazn mafia

Ah the irony, like the story of how the man who invented the electric chair ended up being executed in his own invention. Victoria police and the entire road safety/licensing system is a complete joke.

That's an interesting tale about the electric chair, any proof that it's true?

SYZ · 11-01-2016, 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by xxx000

That's an interesting tale about the electric chair, any proof that it's true?

Alfred P. Southwick was the bloke who invented the electric chair. He was a dentist, so he sorta had a good start LOL. Wife-murderer William Francis Kemmler was the first to die in the chair in 1890.

xxx000 · 11-01-2016, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by SYZ

Alfred P. Southwick was the bloke who invented the electric chair. He was a dentist, so he sorta had a good start LOL. Wife-murderer William Francis Kemmler was the first to die in the chair in 1890.

So ah the irony of a bloke on here having a go at someone but using a tale that isn't true

madmatty · 11-01-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

When he pays the fine, who gets the money?

its called consolidated revenue

SensationFG8 · 11-01-2016, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Surely must be camera, it would be a brave officer to pull him over and give him a ticket.

But a camera clicks and processes the fine and the ticket is simply issued to some gov department that registers his car.

As far as I know the fine is issued by a police officer after reviewing the camera results.

I would imagine that he was tipped off the fine was coming so they could decide to squash it or proceed with it and then how to spin it.

SYZ · 11-01-2016, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by SensationFG8

I would imagine that he was tipped off the fine was coming so they could decide to squash it or proceed with it and then how to spin it.

Just like Police Minister Bob Cameron covered up Ken Lay's prosecution for a couple of months in 2010—just before Lay rolled out his Christmas-New Year road revenue raising (road safety?) campaign.

If I had 9 points on my license, would the cops hide the extra 3 points from my employer for two months if I was (say) a courier, in order to let me look around for alternative non-driver employment? I'm betting not.

This is a classic case of the "them and us" attitude that all governments perpetuate to their advantage.

XB GS 351 Coupe · 11-01-2016, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

Surely must be camera, it would be a brave officer to pull him over and give him a ticket.

I would say an officer would be happy to issue the ticket rather than lose his job for corruption

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/...and_Ethics.pdf

Point 10 would have him out on his **** as the driver would have to report the non issue of a ticket as misconduct, or be risking his own job as Police Chief, I doubt he would be willing to risk his job for some traffic cop on the street, or for the sake of a couple of hundred $$ for a ticket.

Stefan · 11-01-2016, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by XB GS 351 Coupe

I would say an officer would be happy to issue the ticket rather than lose his job for corruption

http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/__data/...and_Ethics.pdf

Point 10 would have him out on his **** as the driver would have to report the non issue of a ticket as misconduct, or be risking his own job as Police Chief, I doubt he would be willing to risk his job for some traffic cop on the street, or for the sake of a couple of hundred $$ for a ticket.

So issuing a driver a warning for a 5km speeding offence is misconduct, but hey your the expert..

Not sure was Vic cops have to do with NSW police ethics either.

Looks like NSW cops a corrupt as EVERY ticket I ever received from a cop (three, if I recall right) for speeding was down graded to the next lower speed bracket. Very risky for a cop to do me a favour, I should have reported the pr!cks....