Are we (Australia) becomming too american?

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by protd

i can garentee you now that NO plasterer i getting $200,000++ a year otherwise there would be no doctors or CEO's they'd just become a plasterer, the most a tradie would get paid if he was working for someone is $50hr know if they do 50hrs a week and i can tell you not to many guys do that is $2500 a week, makes me laugh when i hear bullshit like this

Thanks for clarifying protd, as demonstrated I don't know much about the tradie field

However I think I made my point in there somewhere anyhow :P

[XR8Master]

Ohh sorry, Did you think that I work on an hourly rate for someone else ? no sorry, I'm a contractor and If you still don't believe me I would be happy to show you some invoices in a months time..

and if you think $2500 is the highest amout a plasterer can make in a week your deluded I know of more then a few people who have up to $8000 weeks

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

If you showed me how to stand frames and trusses then I would be able to do it, After all if you didn't already know steel framing is part of a plasterers trade, If you showed me how to do a fixout I would be quite apt at putting skirtings on after all, plasterers do cut mitres when they cornice

But i'm affraid if the tables where turned and I put a trowel in your hand you would not have the ability to use it as plastering is a skill that takes years to evolve

As for me not being able to earn $5000 a week....I laugh at you, I am about to go to darwin to work on a highrise which is paying $6 sq to set, do the maths...

go blow smoke up someone else's ****... i have a commercial and domestic builders license i dont need to hear bullshit from someone that still pees his pants and sucks mummys booby.. and yes i can plaster, and i bet you your 5000 i can do it better than you, how long have you been working i'd bet at the very most 4 years you goose : :

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Ohh sorry, Did you think that I work on an hourly rate for someone else ? no sorry, I'm a contractor and If you still don't believe me I would be happy to show you some invoices in a months time..

why a month scan them up now hi roller

[Flouro_Joe]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

You are ONLY a teacher, you are payed only to teach all the crap written in text books, you are not payed to drum your own personal beliefs on young susceptible children

And you are ONLY a Queenslander, LOL

[Deadman]

Originally Posted by Flouro_Joe

And you are only a Queenslander, LOL

Hey hey, now that's taking it to far ;) We'll smash you boys again in just over a week.

[XR8Master]

Of corse...all builders can plasterer, they are experts...thats why you never see a builder doing plastering on anything that is important, put you and me together for a day and I would steam roll you on speed and quality, Anyone can trowel a crocked external or run a box like the roads of england

[Flouro_Joe]

Originally Posted by protd

come on mate I'm a builder and we dont pay plasterers $5000 a week besides a plasterer is just a labourer with his brains kicked out : :togo:

The plasterers that repaired my garage ceiling (1 sheet of Gyprock and some cornice) charged $1800 for 2.5 hours work and got away with it because it was strata and covered by insurance and they just pay it.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by Yaw

Maybe I am getting old and cranky, I know in myself i am even starting to sound like my father. I was walking through the Brisbane Queen st mall today, I noticed shops like tiffany's, louis Vitton, and I start to notice shows on Foxtel like "My Super Sweet 16", OMG does that not just show every little paris hilton wanna be that can chuck a tantrum and get their parents to cough up anywhere from $100,000 to $500,000 for a friggin 16th birthday party??????????? It bewilders me how any sane parent rich or not would by a 16 year old a $100,000 car for a 1st car. If you must get your kid a new car for a first car get a cheap small one as you know the chances of them wrecking it are very high anyway. Then shows like Viva La Bam, just showing how if you have enough money you can disrespect anyone...even your parents that are stupid enough to give you the money. I know these are only shows on TV but are these the role models we want our kids to become?

God I read this back and I sound like a mad man just rambling but this sort of stuff is just becomming more and more every day.....I guess I am scared that with all the capitalisim going on around its gunna be a mighty big bubble that bursts when it does. It seems the younger generation has never had to go without or found it hard to get work, (evident by the amount of jobs advertised) I was always taught to hold on to your job for secuirty, last hired first fired type thing. I used to hear how tough it was in the depression, and no I never lived through that, but I sure as hell did live through Paul Keatings Rescession we had to have, things were pretty tight for quite a while. I truly feel with all the above type influnces on Australia the younger generation are going to be the ones that cop the brunt of what it is like when things do get tough again. From every economist I have heard predictions such as the jobs boom will blow out before much longer. I would like for anyone to tell me they have the same kind of worries as I do or am I really just going mad? :

i dont think we are becoming american . because australia , has no patriatism . and we have already lost our custom. we hold no value which is ours, and our heritage , has now been taken over , completely opposite to the yanks .

[XR8Master]

Heheh, the last cashie I done I made about $85 hr and allllll cash

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Of corse...all builders can plasterer, they are experts...thats why you never see a builder doing plastering on anything that is important, put you and me together for a day and I would steam roll you on speed and quality, Anyone can trowel a crocked external or run a box like the roads of england

you really have no clue, well where's these invoices..

might be easier to stop bullshitting sun shine,

i'll take you up on that offer, i'll fly you up here to do a job we will work side by side, if your as good as you say you are i'll give you your 5000 for the week and pay for all meals and accommodation, if not you pay my plasterer 5000 for the week you waste as well as my money back for the plane fair and accommodation...

[Psycho Chicken]

Expert on communism, capitalism, the education system, plastering AND hole digging!

Lay off the fluoridated water and get a clue.

[protd]

Originally Posted by Flouro_Joe

The plasterers that repaired my garage ceiling (1 sheet of Gyprock) charged $1800 for 2.5 hours work and got away with it because it was strata and covered by insurance and they just pay it.

was that just to throw the sheet?? no setting etc or was that a finished job??

[XR8Master]

The invoices dont come untill a month or two because that is then Im flying to darwin..If you want me to prove it then soon as my first 10k come I will show you just to prove a point.

[protd]

oh and on the topic yes maybe we are a little Americanised, but what do ya do

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

The invoices dont come untill a month or two because that is then Im flying to darwin..If you want me to prove it then soon as my first 10k come I will show you just to prove a point.

you do that, so how about that bet you up for it bigshot

[protd]

dont send me pm's bullshitting about your earnings, just post it up here bigshot, so you think your going to earn twice as much as me, well post up your invoices, and for shits and giggles lets make it your net income after expenses..

[AEF_Silver94]

yes i think we are,well atleast on the music side of things

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by protd

come on mate I'm a builder and we dont pay plasterers $5000 a week besides a plasterer is just a labourer with his brains kicked out : :togo:

Bwahahahahahahaahahahahaha classic,almost choked on me beer

[sleekism]

LOL this thread is getting funny.

Seriously though I don't doubt a plasterer could get 5 grand this is a bad skills shortage.

I've done 1st year as apprentice while at school and had job offers falling out my ***.

Now I'm a Cadet Engineer and getting my uni fees paid for.

Some people call it skills shortage some call it oppurtunity to make some serious moolah.

Oh and GO THE BLUES!!!

[nugget378]

Christ I did a 6 year apprenticeship as well as a tonne of ongoing specialist training,work on some of the most high profile buildings in the country,in the most expensive city in Australia and I cant get 5k a week.
I should have known just to become a terd trowler in some little dust bowl backwater.

This is just too much : : : :

[XR8Master]

OMG, I said it before and I will say it again, I'm not some hourly boy, when your working for yourself it isnt that hard to make a thousand bucks in a day, seriously, especially in some remote mining location or a place like darwin

[protd]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

OMG, I said it before and I will say it again, I'm not some hourly boy, when your working for yourself it isnt that hard to make a thousand bucks in a day, seriously, especially in some remote mining location or a place like darwin

ok mate, this thread is not about what you earn anyway, so we'll leave it at that :

[Iphido]

$5000 a week? I can get it done for $25 a square m, supplied and fitted was pretty good. I know I can get render done for ~$8 a m^2. How the hell are you earning $5000 a week?

I am also a teacher, high school science. I used to earn more as a labourer/leading hand. I was clearing over $1000 a week. Now I'm lucky to clear just over half that. I work just as hard if not harder. But sometimes its not just about the cash.

Teachers are going to get a huge pay rise, atleast in certain areas. In the last 6 years in NSW the starting pay for teachers has gone up nearly 50%!

Teaching pays better than many science research jobs, a friend at ANSTO recently had his contract renewed at $35,000 a year to work with radioactive chemicals and with a masters qualification. Hes quit and becomming a lawyer.

[Falcon Freak]

Why is that whenever somebody complains that we are becoming too American that the discussion becomes focused on the pros and cons of capitilism? I believe Yaw who started this thread was asking if we are inheriting too many American tranditions, their language, their culture etc. and losing our own identity (e.g. Halloween).

This world has many cultures and it is interesting to see the way other people live. As it is said 'variety is the spice of life'. However I am against other cultures either imposing themselves on others or being derrogatory towards other cultures. I believe as Australians we need to protect the 'idiosyncracies' which differentiate us from other English speaking nations. Unfortunately we are losing that battle as the introduction of pay television and the internet (to name a few items) is engulfing us in American culture. As the youth are the most impressionable they are willing to digest this stuff with little hesitation.

We are becoming less Australian with each passing generation.

FF

[charles_wif_xf]

Originally Posted by protd

come on mate I'm a builder and we dont pay plasterers $5000 a week besides a plasterer is just a labourer with his brains kicked out : :togo:

Hey, I used to be a plasterer!

Originally Posted by Falcon Freak

Why is that whenever somebody complains that we are becoming too American that the discussion becomes focused on the pros and cons of capitilism? I believe Yaw who started this thread was asking if we are inheriting too many American tranditions, their language, their culture etc. and losing our own identity (e.g. Halloween).

This world has many cultures and it is interesting to see the way other people live. As it is said 'variety is the spice of life'. However I am against other cultures either imposing themselves on others or being derrogatory towards other cultures. I believe as Australians we need to protect the 'idiosyncracies' which differentiate us from other English speaking nations. Unfortunately we are losing that battle as the introduction of pay television and the internet (to name a few items) is engulfing us in American culture. As the youth are the most impressionable they are willing to digest this stuff with little hesitation.

We are becoming less Australian with each passing generation.

FF

The problem, in my opinion, is that we are having the American "culture" (if it could even be called that) forced down our throats whether we like it or not. If it were a free and informed choice to take on Americanisms, that is a different story. But how can it be free and voluntary when its AmericaTV on the idiot box pretty much 24/7/365 (with the exception of Neighbours).

[flappist]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

OMG, I said it before and I will say it again, I'm not some hourly boy, when your working for yourself it isnt that hard to make a thousand bucks in a day, seriously, especially in some remote mining location or a place like darwin

Don't get too carried away here Hugh.

Remember there are members of this forum who actually know exactly what you drive and how you got it, where you live and what you do for a living.

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by Iphido

$5000 a week? I can get it done for $25 a square m, supplied and fitted was pretty good. I know I can get render done for ~$8 a m^2. How the hell are you earning $5000 a week?
.

Because 3 hard working people can pump out about 3000 metres of work a week, in plastering, meterage is floor area x height, it is 3 dimensional so 3000m x $6 = $18000 * 33% = $5940

[nugget378]

Originally Posted by XR8Master

Because 3 hard working people can pump out about 3000 metres of work a week, in plastering, meterage is floor area x height, it is 3 dimensional so 3000m x $6 = $18000 * 33% = $5940

Ummm its actually 2 dimensional

[XR8Master]

area * height is only 2 dimensions ?