police checking cars?

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by colossus

And there you have it - they dont pick on little crap like that consistently unless you are a constant troublemaker they are targeting. I find the whole poor me routine pretty hard to believe.

In 20 years of driving performance cars fast on the road I have been pulled over once for speeding. Its an attiude thing - you blokes bring it on yourself.

Dont they? I beg to differ. Ive only ever been pulled over by 2 other cops - one was a random breatho stop.

I fail to see how those things mentioned should be classified as a "trouble maker". none of them came while speeding, doing burnouts, or driving a performance vehicle by any means. it has more to do with the p plate in the window.

The day I registered my car in the company name - no more problems for 2 years. I buy a new car, register it my own name - and 2 days later is when the lights/no ps happens. could be coincidencem then again maybe not.

and I despise the comment that we bring it on ourselves.

Originally Posted by Redrum

If I had a dollar for every time I hear these excuses............. Your car was not road worthy. You can word it any way you like, but if your vehicle fail to meet the requirements of your states relevant legislation then you can and did receive a fine.

If you felt so strongly about all the points you mention then why not fight it out in court, especially if you believe you were wrongly penalized for that scooter. The problem is, when people are caught committing traffic offences quite a few of them come up with your excuses and the line that they did nothing wrong.

and theres plenty dangerously unworthy cars getting around the place. when a cop does you for the door lock cap missing, a wobbly mirror, and a no good spare just to find 3 reasons for regency - then thats just being a pain for the sake of it - dont you think if he could have found a real reason to defect me he would have???

FYI, I have taken him to court on several occassions (especialy the scooter - my case resulted in the laws being changed). the first few when I was mor naive I didnt, but after the 3rd and 4th pullover by the same cop and 2nd loss of liscence, I protested everything that came from him, and havnt lost a case yet. a few got dropped before they even got to court.

when it comes down to it, you cannot be fined for a mechanical failure - you can be defected, but its not something you did wrong, things break, thats expected. theres a big difference though between pulling a motorist over and politeley informing them of a blown tail light so they can get it fixed, instead of pulling them over, accusung them of stealing the car, driving unregistered, and doing a thourough search on the roadside to see if you can find enough reasons to keep thier car off the road just because you hold a grudge.

If you truly cant see the difference here, then its attitudes like yours that these cops obviously have, and the exact reason were all paranoid on the road when we see them.

Its true that when it comes cops that thier not all bad, and theres the good the bad and the ugly, but in my experiance the bad and the ugly outman the good 2:1 so it pays to be on the lookout.

Think what you will, theres obviously no way I can change your oppinion, and all p platers are obviously hoons and trouble makers with no experiance. (on that note, Ive spent 6 years on my ps and did roughly 1 1/2 to 2 tanks of fuel a day doing upwards of 150,000 - 200,000km a year. so I would dare say I have more driving experiance than an 80 year old whos driven all his life, and have survived the majority of that on 1 point)

[irlewy86]

Most of the fines I have got have been tedious and pretty anal retentive, but then I think what about all the stupid and dangerous things I've got away with. My favourite one was a drinking in public fine though. We were on a booze and cruize up the coast when we all pulled in for a feed at Maccas. So about 10 of us are standing and drinking when a brand spanking new green VU SS ute rolls into the carpark. It must have been one of the first ones out of the factory because they had only been recently released. So as they were about to leave a mate of mine goes over and asks if he can have a look over it and they end up having a good chat about when both the guys pull out their bagdes and ask for ID. Everyone with a drink in thier hand got a fine (deservedly). You really couldn't argue with them, we got done red handed and pretty much everyone was too shocked to argue.

[clontarf_x]

Anyway, yeah about those cops checking those P plated cars...

I would say they had orders to look out for "a P plater" that's been called in by a citizen. Or maybe they were even looking for something else. Who knows. People should stop thinking police are just evil maniacal bastards. They are just doing their job...

[gozza]

Originally Posted by ken2903

and as for the yellow light,
not sure about other states but in NSW you can be fined for driving through a yellow light if they believe you could've stopped on time safely. I'm glad they dont enforce that one, everyone does it.

I have been pulled over for going through a yellow light and they told me exactly that.

I was not fined but i think its plausible to argue that they were not controlling the car and the decision to whether or not it was safely possible to pull up should be left to the driver.

We have a license for that reason. Yes some people should not have licenses in the first place but if you legally hold one that is the bottom line.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

Dont they? I beg to differ. Ive only ever been pulled over by 2 other cops - one was a random breatho stop.

I fail to see how those things mentioned should be classified as a "trouble maker". none of them came while speeding, doing burnouts, or driving a performance vehicle by any means. it has more to do with the p plate in the window.

The day I registered my car in the company name - no more problems for 2 years. I buy a new car, register it my own name - and 2 days later is when the lights/no ps happens. could be coincidencem then again maybe not.

and I despise the comment that we bring it on ourselves.



and theres plenty dangerously unworthy cars getting around the place. when a cop does you for the door lock cap missing, a wobbly mirror, and a no good spare just to find 3 reasons for regency - then thats just being a pain for the sake of it - dont you think if he could have found a real reason to defect me he would have???

FYI, I have taken him to court on several occassions (especialy the scooter - my case resulted in the laws being changed). the first few when I was mor naive I didnt, but after the 3rd and 4th pullover by the same cop and 2nd loss of liscence, I protested everything that came from him, and havnt lost a case yet. a few got dropped before they even got to court.

when it comes down to it, you cannot be fined for a mechanical failure - you can be defected, but its not something you did wrong, things break, thats expected. theres a big difference though between pulling a motorist over and politeley informing them of a blown tail light so they can get it fixed, instead of pulling them over, accusung them of stealing the car, driving unregistered, and doing a thourough search on the roadside to see if you can find enough reasons to keep thier car off the road just because you hold a grudge.

If you truly cant see the difference here, then its attitudes like yours that these cops obviously have, and the exact reason were all paranoid on the road when we see them.

Its true that when it comes cops that thier not all bad, and theres the good the bad and the ugly, but in my experiance the bad and the ugly outman the good 2:1 so it pays to be on the lookout.

Think what you will, theres obviously no way I can change your oppinion, and all p platers are obviously hoons and trouble makers with no experiance. (on that note, Ive spent 6 years on my ps and did roughly 1 1/2 to 2 tanks of fuel a day doing upwards of 150,000 - 200,000km a year. so I would dare say I have more driving experiance than an 80 year old whos driven all his life, and have survived the majority of that on 1 point)

If your vehicle is un roadworthy and not to the standards of your state you can be fined, including if this issue is caused by mechanical failure. If you are driving around with brakes that have failed, this is mechanical failure and yes you can be fined, not just defected. How a member chooses to deal with someone when pulled over for a un roadworthy vehicle is at their discretion within their states laws and their Force policy. Most people that have good attitudes in my experience are only given a warning and/or a defect notice. The people with poor attitudes are the ones who get fined, especially on a repetitive basis.

If you have been dealt with unfairly and gone to Court, as is your right, and won, good on you. This is the best thing to do and I applaud those that feel strongly about the way they have been dealt with to do so.

In regard to your assumed comments on my opinion in relation to P plate driver's, I do not think all are hoons etc etc, but a far larger majority in proportion are, over fully licensed drivers. This of course is a separate issue in regard to the defecting of a vehicle. Experience does help on the roads, but maturity and tolerance are also other key factors.

Happy motoring.

[VSSII]

Thats a lot of time to waste on one kid. I'd also hazard a guess that it's highly unusual for someone to lose their licence THREE times for such trivial matters! Are you sure you're not known to the local police for other reasons??

If I'm wrong then I apoligise but all signs seem to point to the fact the whole story is not being told. All police/motorist interactions will always be a little one sided on here, granted but even then...

[Monkey]

Spot on redrum.
Every time i have gotten in trouble with the police is because i deserved it.
Whinging about how trivial it is or theres some one else out there doing worse dosn't change the fact that i was in the wrong.
Being civilized with the police has got me home free even after they have found obvious defects or pulled me over traffic offenses.

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by VSSII

Thats a lot of time to waste on one kid. I'd also hazard a guess that it's highly unusual for someone to lose their licence THREE times for such trivial matters! Are you sure you're not known to the local police for other reasons??

If I'm wrong then I apoligise but all signs seem to point to the fact the whole story is not being told. All police/motorist interactions will always be a little one sided on here, granted but even then...

Im not known to the cops (as far as I know anyway), but if you want the gaps filled, then here it is, its long though, I kept the other explanations brief for the sake of all those reading, but nothing overly important was missing.

the first time I got pulled over by "counstable care" Id left my wallet at home, only got down the road, headed back for it, got stopped for indicating for 4 second instead of 5, my ps were in my wallet so it was instant loss of liscence for me (#1) for breach of P plate conditions. I argued both of these points and realy let him have it (you dont need to tell me I should have just kept my mouth shut, I know, but believe me I was Pi$$ed off and couldnt resist - I needed my car for work) The Ps to his merit were fair enough, even though trivial coz it was 2 streets away, but I seriously counted 5 secs on the indicator I got points too for the indicating thing which didnt come till later in the post.

I went to court to appeal for my liscence back (not to dispute the charges), and got it back with a 12 months on 1 point deal.

Less then a week after winning my liscence back came the fine in the mail for the indicating thing (which I know was at the same time). So lucky me, even though I won the appeal, I lost it again on points, which I thought was a pretty raw deal (liscence loss #2) I contacted motor reg and they couldnt sort it out, but I stick out the 6 months.

I get my liscence back, and my cars been off the road the whole time, I dare say I managed to go 3 months before running into counstable "care" again. My P plate had fallen down unbeknowns to me but still visible. Now I was actualy appologetic and thought he was just going to give me a warning coz it was still sitting on the parcel shelf, but no he comes up with - hey I remember you, you were the bloke in the van I pulled over blah blah - out comes the black book, fine for the p plate (no points) but it didnt stop there, he dicides to defect my car for the only 3 trivial things he could find - passenger side lock CAP (not the lock itself), loose interior mirror, and rooted spare tyre. Because it was 3 defects, it was ordered to regency for removal of the canary as MAJOR (major my ***) so was cheaper just to buy a new car, I was ****ed at this so again amped up in protest which obviously got me nowhere.

Either way, in the meantime, I managed to earn myself a speeding fine of 100 in an 80 zone (on the change) down main nth road - didnt argue it, but I was positive I seen the flash when the 80 sign was still infront of the car and even commented when it happened to the other people in the car. so goodby for points again (liscence loss #3).
At this stage, I think Ill do the right thing and wont drive. My parents call me up and say they have these new electric skooter things at the Royal Adelaide Show that you can ride without rego and without your liscence. I confirmed this with the sales rep there, and rang the local cop shop and motor reg before forking out $600 bucks for one (they now go on ebay for $50).

litteraly the 3rd time I road it, out pops coustable care again. I thought "YOUR JOKING!!" I seriously laughed this time in his face coz I figured there was nothing he could do, I had an approoved helmet, I wasnt speeding, I wasnt on the footpath, I wasnt being stupid. When He tried to fine me for driving without a liscence or rego, I explained to him that he couldnt coz it was classified as a push bike. he wasnt going for it, I argued it for 2-3hrs, over which point in time rocked up 3 other squad cars (one was just so they could take photos of the skooter). All the cops there thought it was ammusing, I heard a couple of them telling him to lett it go, and the camera chicks told me "dont worry he's always like this".

Anyway, It went to court, I didnt get a conviction, the judge told him he was an idiot, and due to a minor discrepency between the motor vehicles act and the road traffic act, the laws ended up changing as a result of my case, and now you will see posters up at all the cop shops with pictures of what is and isnt ridable on the road when it comes to pushbikes/skateboards/skooters.

I got my liscence back, and got pulled over a few more times by counstable care - taking the advice of the caera chick, took every one to court, got off every time, he hated it more and more each time.

I bought a new car (an AU) and registered it in the company name. best thing I ever did, and for 2 years I didnt get pulled over once, never had my p plates up (yea flame me all you like). untill someone steals it and writes it off.

Feeling confident that I get of my ps in 3 days and thinking I can stay out of trouble for that long, I buy a new AU and register it in my own name - well this says it all as out pops counstable care - OFF DUTY! - with the most recent - lights (alternator) and p plates at 11:55/12:05 (depending on whos watch you believe) the same night my provisional conditions expire. and I still stand that you cannot anticipate your alternator packing it in, therefore you cannot be finned if it happens out of the blue. He didnt fine me for the car being in disrepair, he fined me for not turning the lights on (I showed him the switch was on). Its the same as running over a nail and blowing your tyre - sometimes happens, you just dont expect to be fined for it.
I was accused of stealing the car coz there was no rego sticker! ah, hes an idiot - if anyone thinks its karma, or its something Im doing myself to deserve it, then good on ya, and Ill laugh, next time I see counstable care flashing his disco lights behind your car if your ever in Adelaide.
Told U it was long!

[buickman]

Originally Posted by Monkey Boy

Spot on redrum.
Every time i have gotten in trouble with the police is because i deserved it.
Whinging about how trivial it is or theres some one else out there doing worse dosn't change the fact that i was in the wrong.
Being civilized with the police has got me home free even after they have found obvious defects or pulled me over traffic offenses.

Never a truer word.
My son was driving a unengineered V8 cortina & made himself obvious by driving a bit quick of the lights. The unmarked police car on the opposite side turned around & followed him to my house. The two officers came onto the property & gave the car a defect notice but becuase he kept his emotions under control thats all he got they could of given him a big fine for a unengineered & unroadworthy car. They are only doing thier jobs and yes they can give you a defect on private property if the car in question is suspected of being unroadworthy.

[KOUPE76]

Originally Posted by buickman

Never a truer word.
but becuase he kept his emotions under control thats all he got they could of given him a big fine for a unengineered & unroadworthy car. They are only doing thier jobs and yes they can give you a defect on private property if the car in question is suspected of being unroadworthy.

Oh so true,
I have always and will respect the police as they do a great job, sure I've been a smart ar$e to them and have been punished accordingly, but after a few years of GROWING UP I've learnt to keep my MOUTH SHUT and 9 out of 10 times I get a lesser fine than what was intended. YES officer NO officer are the only words need to be spoken.

Mick

[FORD EB 4.0]

I'd say the police were probably just cruising through the car park looking for car thieves or as suggested earlier, cars that have been left unlocked. Car theft is a crime so they are probably just ensuring peoples property is safe. You could ask the staff at the railway station if cars have been reported stolen or broken into recently.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

Im not known to the cops (as far as I know anyway), but if you want the gaps filled, then here it is, its long though, I kept the other explanations brief for the sake of all those reading, but nothing overly important was missing.

I wont quote your entire post because of the size.
I can understand why your a little ****ed off at the suspentions, from what you've posted it does look like this cop is/has given you a pretty hard time. In saying that though it is pretty easy to see that it all started from the first time he pulled you over.
I think you were a little unlucky to get busted for not having your license with you, it doesn't seem like a major thing but at the end of the day its enough of a reason for him to give you a ticket. I would hazard a guess that when you "let him have it" its caused him to see you as nothing more that a another troublemaking p plater jerk. Realisticly. what other reason would he have for defecting you over a locking cap being missing from your door lock (or whatever it was)?
I'm not for a second suggesting that is fair or ethical/moral whatever but i'd bet money thats whats happened. First impressions count for a lot sometimes and from what you've posted you haven't given him much of a reason to see you as otherwise.
I know we are well within our rights to fight any sort of fine or suspention we recieve but people need to realise that fair or not, when they disagree with the police and fight to prove them wrong, it is only going to stir them up and gain more attention. Even if you do win in court, its only going to be a minor victory and if the cop in question is a big enough arrsewipe , you'll just get defected again.
Before i get flamed right off the internet i'll say it again, I KNOW this is not fair, and this kind of behavior from the police or anyone is pretty weak, but it just the way it is (most of the time anyway). I'm not sure what the best way to avoid this is though, i think its a little to weak to bend over and let them vent their frustrations by giving us tickets for stupid things. The only thing i can suggest is to keep your car 'undefectable', try not to race around like and idiot and not to be a smartarse when you do get pulled over for something random.
Its going to be impossible to keep your car so imaculately maintained that some cop in a bad mood cant defect you but once again, unfortunately thats just the way it is.
I know P platers cop a fair bit of crap these days, sometimes deservedly but not always. Focusing their anger/frustration on the police isn't going to get them anywhere.

[3vXT]

^^^ or the cop in question could just be a evil terminator sent back in time to defect robbo_yobbo's cars

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by ken2903

^^^ or the cop in question could just be a evil terminator sent back in time to defect robbo_yobbo's cars

Haahahaha, if that were the truth it would be easier to swallow!
-I realise it all came from the first running with him. Im not one to bend over and cop it at the best of times, so when it was so trivial, I just couldnt resist. I wasnt expecting to have any further runnings with him at that point, and Im quite surprised he held a grudge for so long.
Was a combination of an asswipe cop and bad luck, coz theres no way he could have known who I was on the skooter untill I took off my helmet.

The main point was that; unfortunateley, just because your not doing anything wrong, doesnt mean you cant get 'done' by the boys in blue, and for this reason the paranoia when we see the fuzz in the lane next to us is deffiniteley justified.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

**Quoted dribble**

thats exactly my point.

and until people (not just the p platers) understand this and start acting like adults, they will keep getting tickets for stupid things.

[Redrum]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

**More dribble**

I must say you your intellect is of the highest quality.

[Psycho Chicken]

Originally Posted by robbo_yobbo

I argued both of these points and realy let him have it

And there's the reason that your name and rego got a little mark next to it.

[DOC]

the first time I got pulled over by "counstable care" Id left my wallet at home, only got down the road, headed back for it, got stopped for indicating for 4 second instead of 5, my ps were in my wallet so it was instant loss of liscence for me (#1) for breach of P plate conditions. I argued both of these points and realy let him have it (you dont need to tell me I should have just kept my mouth shut, I know, but believe me I was Pi$$ed off and couldnt resist - I needed my car for work)

Yobo Robo, i see very similar lines between this and the american TV show

" MY NAME IS EARL " and i think carma is biting you in the bum.

[4Vman]

This thread is quite funny really,
Its plain as day to see why some people get themselves and their cars into trouble with the Police, yet they keep blaming everyone else!!

"There's too many trees in the way to be able to see the Forest!"

[bcr2734]

Originally Posted by toyxr8

Nice........sounds very European!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that is gold. hehehehe

[robbo_yobbo]

Originally Posted by DOC

Yobo Robo, i see very similar lines between this and the american TV show

" MY NAME IS EARL " and i think carma is biting you in the bum.

But I crossed everything off my list - i recon karma owes me big time.

[sexr6tasy]

lmao more dribble