I just didn't want to be a news story!!

[ltd]

Not for nothing but I have known some wonderful maoris, and I have been informed by them that alot of polynesians that live in New Zealand refer to themselves as maoris as though its some kind of merit badge. Funnily enough, I was told that most maoris have genuine christian names like christopher; and not the funny hawaiian inspired names like takula ula-ouie. The rule of thumb I heard is massive giganticised head, shiny dark complexion ie recently tanned is polynesian whereas maoris are dark but sort of low sheen if you know what I mean (colder temperatures). Sort of like the difference between the lebanese and muslims; they're not the same.

Anyway, some people regardless of race are just jerks, some people are oxygen thieves and others deserve to be tied to a tree and shot. Just don't expect any form of justice as the social engineers and apologists are running the show now, and they will do nothing to offend a minority. Sorry about your car.

[thexyking]

Originally Posted by ltd

Sort of like the difference between the lebanese and muslims

Yeah, one is a race and one is a religion.

The problem here is that there were some idiots in a car and you engaged them. Just back off and don't get involved with people outside your car that you don't know.

The explicit racism is this thread is appalling. The incident involved a cars full of idiots, their racial background is irrelevant.

Why don't you do something about that, Mr Moderator/administrator/racist facilitator.

[DJM83]

Thats crap mate sorry to hear the news, why are some people so flippin stupid not a brain between the ears. At least you and ur partner got out of it ok

[ltd]

Originally Posted by thexyking

Yeah, one is a race and one is a religion.

The problem here is that there were some idiots in a car and you engaged them. Just back off and don't get involved with people outside your car that you don't know.

The explicit racism is this thread is appalling. The incident involved a cars full of idiots, their racial background is irrelevant.

Why don't you do something about that, Mr Moderator/administrator/racist facilitator.

I'm not trying to be racist, if you read the last paragraph of my post you would see where I have espoused that it is not race based, but just individuals that are either jerks etc.
The reason I believe that maori was brought into this thread was twofold; to describe a group of individuals that are of a probable size, and also to warn others that a group of that description is to be avoided for fear of it happening to someone else - just the same as you would describe any other identifying marks.
On a more serious note, this self flagellation to shout racism at the drop of a hat amongst the socialists has gotten out of hand. The images various communities or races perpetrate is their responsibility; not those of the PC brigade. If you look historically back to as recent as the late 80's early 90's, you will find that there was a lot of apprehension about the asian community. Now, there is none. Why? Simply because they chose to integrate into our wider society and contribute as best they were able. The communities that are perpetually made to look as being marginalised often have no one else to blame but themselves for either being far too insular, or for not teaching their own to behave responsibly. By softening the blows that this community would receive for its appalling behaviour only delays the inevitable of them finally coming to terms with the reality that they have elected to change country/culture.
Simply put, the PC brigade and their head in the sand mentality has enabled various undesirables in various communities to flourish whilst simultaneously marginalising the very people who hold our countries values and cultures so dear. Furthermore, the PC brigade jumping on the bandwagon has also condoned the establishment of ghetto communities which feel even further empowered by a leftist ideal of softly softly when approaching crime. You have to look no further than at the crime statistics which show various patterns of behaviour amongst various communities. Should we ignore this reality for some ambivalent toss-fest? Or should we perhaps be more vigilant to protect those that cannot protect themselves such as children or the elderly?
If describing a group of individuals whilst not making sweeping derogatory generalisations makes me a racist then you call me what you have to in order to sleep at night. I for one couldn't care less and frankly am sick of the hand wringing apologists enabling those who engage in illegal activities and intimidation to get off scott free only because they themselves are afraid to tackle the problem. Whilst some comments may be ignorant, others are insightful and should be supported for the very fact that those contributions are often centred around an embrace of the social fabric of our society. This is what our country was built on, what our diggers died for and what we should never allow to be watered down or destroyed.

Finally, the moderators/administrators etc are far from racist, however they are tolerant. I wouldn't try to take that trait away as it would simply lead to an electronic form of social engineering/thought police.

[Laminge]

Originally Posted by thexyking

Yeah, one is a race and one is a religion.

The problem here is that there were some idiots in a car and you engaged them. Just back off and don't get involved with people outside your car that you don't know.

The explicit racism is this thread is appalling. The incident involved a cars full of idiots, their racial background is irrelevant.

Why don't you do something about that, Mr Moderator/administrator/racist facilitator.

There is the door, dont let me stand in your way.

Taking into account the article from SA I suppose the whole media industry is racist, this not so tolerant racists of fools like yourself never ceases to amaze me

[StealthAu]

I've had issues with Maori's, Aboriginal's, Leb's, Wog's, Pom's, American's, and Aussie's, but I've also known decent people of all decents. Reality is race has nothing to do with breeding scum, they exist in all cultures. Anyway we all know the Irish are the superior race.

[LeadFoot81]

This thread's gone way downhill.

[Doogstar]

On a more constructive note, have you considered civil action against your aggressors? Did you fill in a police report, can't believe the Police they can't do anything because you or your girlfriend didn't get hurt, I would say it is still assault, but i am no lawyer.

You have witnesses and it seems to be you should be able to sue them for the cost of the car damages and stress. I suggest you talk to a 'no win, no fee' lawyer about possible legal action. This might cause a bit of drama for you, but it may make them think again before they do it to someone else with weaker windows. Might even help with your house deposit.

This is such a terrifying story, I hope you and your girlfriend are okay now.
Cars can be replaced.

[JC]

A saying comes to mind "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".

So the XT may have been a bit aggressive, but you basically instigated things when you tapped the brakes with them behind you. Yes, the over-reacted, and no doubt you would have been scared, but why you didn't ram their car instead of reversing (what a stupid thing to do in traffic), I don't know.

I hope you actually learn something from this and don't just point the finger at the other people in the other car - what you did was just as stupid.

[ltd]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bit harsh no?

In similar circumstances, I don't think any of us would be models for what to do as opposed to what not to do.
It is a basic human reaction to back away from aggressors, so putting it into reverse would have been logical. Yes in hindsight it could have gone better, but sometimes people are out looking for trouble rather than causing it. He only tapped the brake pedal to make the brake lights go on, not to brake test the guy.
Haven't you ever witnessed road rage JC? Haven't you ever come across someone ultra aggressive who needs no triggers to just go off?
People externalise their problems often on others around them which seems to manifest itself in violence these days, surely you've heard of someone minding their own business being set upon?
Drugs also play a huge part in this, just watch this video for proof.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmN-An9eDpM

This guys on ice, and he deliberately smashes into 3 cars over the course of the video. Imagine minding your own business coming across this guy?

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by ltd

^^^^^^^^^^^^

Bit harsh no?

In similar circumstances, I don't think any of us would be models for what to do as opposed to what not to do.
It is a basic human reaction to back away from aggressors, so putting it into reverse would have been logical. Yes in hindsight it could have gone better, but sometimes people are out looking for trouble rather than causing it. He only tapped the brake pedal to make the brake lights go on, not to brake test the guy.
Haven't you ever witnessed road rage JC? Haven't you ever come across someone ultra aggressive who needs no triggers to just go off?
People externalise their problems often on others around them which seems to manifest itself in violence these days, surely you've heard of someone minding their own business being set upon?

That's why you also have to drive smart these days. There's almost always a trigger. It would appear the trigger in this instance was two fold. Taking off slow from the lights caused the traffic to bunch up a little more and the road rager had very little space to merge, then the brake check.

Had I been in the same situation as the OP I actually would have sped up to make it easier for the car that had to squeeze in to merge for the very reason that put him in the position he was in. You have to minimise the reasons for jerkoffs to not lose it behind the wheel.

You don't know who's behind the wheel of the cars around you and the best way to avoid road rage incidents like the above is to think and plan ahead.

[Taxman]

To add to a post a couple above, the mere fact that you have been threatned with violence in itself constitutes "assault". When you are actually hit constitutes "battery". That is why you frequently find the two term used together.

I have family that have married Maori's, by and large most of them are the most gentle, caring and considerate people you could come across. Show them a little courtsey and respect and you have an incredible friend for life. But by the same token there is a small (and notice I said small) percentage that would be perfect examples of the need for retrospective abortion.

The members of my extended family are of the opinion that the local constabulary made life difficult for them in NZ so they came here to escape the heat and carry on with their obnoxious anti social behaviour. Their behaviour causes the descent folk from NZ an enormous amount of embarasement. They wish they would go back to NZ so that they could live here in peace and quiet without being tared with the same brush as those who behave as thugs.

I personally have no problem with someone being described as Lebanese, Pom, Yank, Maori, Ausie or Skippy as that is what the individual is. Where I do have a problem as I suspect many of you do if you are honest with yourselves is the majority of a race being thrown into the same pot as a minority that should be sent packing.

Simple rule: Love Australia - respect and obey her laws or LEAVE.

[JC]

Originally Posted by Rodp

That's why you also have to drive smart these days. There's almost always a trigger. It would appear the trigger in this instance was two fold. Taking off slow from the lights caused the traffic to bunch up a little more and the road rager had very little space to merge, then the brake check.

Had I been in the same situation as the OP I actually would have sped up to make it easier for the car that had to squeeze in to merge for the very reason that put him in the position he was in. You have to minimise the reasons for jerkoffs to not lose it behind the wheel.

You don't know who's behind the wheel of the cars around you and the best way to avoid road rage incidents like the above is to think and plan ahead.

Yep, I agree.

The OP could have gone around the XT, but chose to stop. He could have gone through him, but chose to back up (WTF!!). Sorry, but had he chosen not to tap the brakes to be a smartrse, he would probably not have found himself in that position at all. Yes, it is unfortunate that there are people in society like the blokes in th XT, but without the trigger, there would have been no event.

ltd - yes, I have been on the receiving end of road rage, and witnessed numerous acts of road rage around me (not to this extent though). I have been tailgated, chased and swerved at for various reasons. Maybe if I hadn't high beamed these cars, these things wouldn't have happened. But I was prepared for the consequences of high beaming them (and they really did need to be flashed), so I drove accordingly.

[WindsorXR]

Originally Posted by JC

A saying comes to mind "If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen".

So the XT may have been a bit aggressive, but you basically instigated things when you tapped the brakes with them behind you. Yes, the over-reacted, and no doubt you would have been scared, but why you didn't ram their car instead of reversing (what a stupid thing to do in traffic), I don't know.

I hope you actually learn something from this and don't just point the finger at the other people in the other car - what you did was just as stupid.

You get put in the same situation!! I'd like to see how you go!!!!!

You don't have any time to think when some guy is punching your girlfriends window so hard he left skin marks and you have another guy the size of freakin sumos coming up to your window. Im sorry I didn't ram their car then get stuck and bashed to death. Or run them over and then go to jail for manslaughter. It wasn't Grand Theft Auto I was playing!! : :

I'm getting really sick of these types of stupid comments.

Parts of the accident seem a little hazy because my minds was thinking so damn fast. I would have thought of doing something else as well if this happened to someone else, but it freaking didn't.

[WindsorXR]

Originally Posted by JC

Yep, I agree.

The OP could have gone around the XT, but chose to stop. He could have gone through him, but chose to back up (WTF!!). Sorry, but had he chosen not to tap the brakes to be a smartrse, he would probably not have found himself in that position at all. Yes, it is unfortunate that there are people in society like the blokes in th XT, but without the trigger, there would have been no event.

ltd - yes, I have been on the receiving end of road rage, and witnessed numerous acts of road rage around me (not to this extent though). I have been tailgated, chased and swerved at for various reasons. Maybe if I hadn't high beamed these cars, these things wouldn't have happened. But I was prepared for the consequences of high beaming them (and they really did need to be flashed), so I drove accordingly.

Do you have anything between those ears?? : : :

I wasn't trying to be a damn smartarse. What it means to me to flash your brake lights is that your too far up someones Ar$3 and back off. On rare occassions i've had the brakes flash at me for been too close to which I Immediately backed off. Tailgating to some people can really scare them. I've heard numberous stories of ladies with their kids in the car with tailgaters that just wouldn't stop and it terrified them to tears and feared for their family.

And also, If i had gone around the XT, I'd hate to think of what may have happened instead. They could have got even more ****ed off and rammed my girlfriend and I off the road and causing a fatality. Have a damn think about what your saying and stop assumeing everything and thinking your all high and mighty.

[seduced_xr]

i can understand y u did wat u did but i wouldnt have gone backwards i would have put it in D (i got a 6 speed auto) and pelted the accelerator and moved them and their xt out of my way.

and if it makes u feel any better about your car.. its just a material object and can be replaced. your girlfriend can not and im very happy to hear u r alive and well.

i know a few members actually have their tyre changers in the car for quick use :P

best of luck.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by WhatsMyUserName

You get put in the same situation!! I'd like to see how you go!!!!!

You don't have any time to think when some guy is punching your girlfriends window so hard he left skin marks and you have another guy the size of freakin sumos coming up to your window. Im sorry I didn't ram their car then get stuck and bashed to death. Or run them over and then go to jail for manslaughter. It wasn't Grand Theft Auto I was playing!! : :

I'm getting really sick of these types of stupid comments.

Parts of the accident seem a little hazy because my minds was thinking so damn fast. I would have thought of doing something else as well if this happened to someone else, but it freaking didn't.

Sorry, but I can't find fault with his actions and the speculation about ramming them or their car is completely stupid.
If, as many of you have suggested, the OP rammed them or their car, he could be up for grievous bodily injury with a motor vehicle or even vehicular manslaughter should one of the offenders be in between the two vehicles. Should he have gotten out with a bat or weapon when he was clearly outnumbered would probably result in the OP being severely bashed or killed as evidenced by a similar crime in Adelaide.
Should he have smashed their car out of the way, chances are that this would have enraged the attackers further as well as his EL could have been sufficiently damaged that disabled his vehicle and mode of escape.
Finally, for those who suggested reverse ask yourselves this; who would you rather swap details with? A witness that called the police for you or the people that moments earlier tried to kill you and your girlfriend?

The facts are this; there is no excuse for assault, there is no excuse for intimidation and there is no excuse for wanton violence. If you have a brain within your ears that can't tell the difference between a video game (like the shacka's that ran that womans dog down the other day making several U turns to get it) then you by default are incapable of operating a car. You should be institutionalised until you are able to seperate reality from fantasy.
The attackers in this case should be prosecuted and sent to prison, but in the new age of "softly softly" in our approach to tackling crime nothing will be done.
I think the OP should talk to the person in the territory who witnessed it all, and sue the bastards who did it. Got no money? Tough. They can sell the XT or atleast POQ back to New Zealand.
Got no help from the SA government in their handling of the matter? Fine, go for victims comp. Pain and anguish go a long way, but ching ching the "loss of libido".

[Skotty]

Hey mate, not good at all, aslong as you and ya missus are allright thats all that counts at the end of the day...

Not good to hear about the damage on the car, but hey atleast it was the car nothing else...

Any news on the XR6? get her repaired?

[troppo]

Originally Posted by WhatsMyUserName

What it means to me to flash your brake lights is that your too far up someones Ar$3 and back off. On rare occassions i've had the brakes flash at me for been too close to which I Immediately backed off. Tailgating to some people can really scare them. I've heard numberous stories of ladies with their kids in the car with tailgaters that just wouldn't stop and it terrified them to tears and feared for their family.

See, now there's your problem. Flashing brake lights may mean that to you, you're mistake was thinking it means that to everyone else as well. What you and all the other brake tappers need to remember is that you can only control the gap in front of you (unless you are going in reverse) and any attempt to control the gap behind you is futile at best, dangerous at worst. It simply cannot be done. Not to mention, brake tapping can be like waving a red flag to some people...don't like me up your bum? Then get out of the way...tapping brakes will only put me closer to your boot and I'm well aware of the legal ramifications of rear ending someone. I'm also well aware of the legal ramifications of brake checking.

I realise some people are terrified of tailgaters but that is their problem, not yours or mine. One of my ex girlfirends whom I taught to drive had a major complex about watching the traffic behind her. I tried to explain that while the car is going forwards, the area in front of the car is where here attention was required but this didn't sink in until after she crashed the car. The cause? LOL she was too busy watching the car behind her to notice the car in front had slowed and indicated an intention to turn. I rest my case.

[troppo]

Originally Posted by ltd

Sorry, but I can't find fault with his actions

Presumably then, you agree with brake checking as a means of 'dealing' with tailgaters?

[xe351]

tailgaters are worse than brake tapers, if your that far up someones rear, than you should expect the brake tap, in most peoples language it says 'your too close', its not rocket science

[GTP370]

Originally Posted by xe351

tailgaters are worse than brake tapers, if your that far up someones rear, than you should expect the brake tap, in most peoples language it says 'your too close', its not rocket science

and then comes road rage and these type of threads...

[troppo]

Originally Posted by xe351

tailgaters are worse than brake tapers, if your that far up someones rear, than you should expect the brake tap, in most peoples language it says 'your too close', its not rocket science

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Mine is different. I don't do it without what I consider to be due cause.

Keeping left and giving way aren't rocket science either but you'd be amazed how many struggle with the concepts. Hence I don't see a problem with letting them know they have made a mistake.

Also I should probably state that although I've been accused of tailgating on more than one occasion, I've never actually suffered from it myself. In fact, I don't think tailgating actally exists outside the mind of the 'victim'....a symptom of a control freak. Sure, I've had traffic dangerously close to my boot for brief periods but it really doesn't bother me at all. So long as I'm obeying both the legal rules and the unwritten rules of common courtesy (keeping left, giving way, NOT tapping brakes uneccessarily, etc.) I don't see what the problem is. If I'm hit from behind while driving normally, the law is on my side, same as applies to ALL drivers. If I hit the brakes, however, that changes things dramatically, particularly from a legal standpoint. Which is why I don't do it or recommend anyone else do it.

That's without taking into consideration angry people.

[troppo]

I won't mention the irony of taking a situation you believe to be dangerous (taligating) and reacting by compounding the danger through brake tapping, thereby bringing the 'car that is too close' even closer. Rocket science? I think not.

[ltd]

Originally Posted by troppo

Presumably then, you agree with brake checking as a means of 'dealing' with tailgaters?

No, I mean his reaction to them coming to him ready to beat him and then throwing it in reverse; that's what I mean about finding no fault.

The jury is still out on the brake tapping as we weren't there, and can only take him on his word. Also, each situation is different, if I take off slow, I let people in. If someone really wants to cut in, I let them. If my going slow messes with their blending, then I wave an apologetic gesture because essentially, people are bastards who go off at the drop of a hat. I cannot believe the easy standards to get a drivers licence these days, seems about 10% know the road rules and others make them up.

[Fev]

hopefully the next boat they ride sinks..

[Buddy 1]

Originally Posted by xe351

tailgaters are worse than brake tapers, if your that far up someones rear, than you should expect the brake tap, in most peoples language it says 'your too close', its not rocket science

I agree & Always leave more space than Most if the Vehicle in front of me is sitting on or close to the advised speed, however if they are Driving along well Below the Advised Speed & have no Vehicle in Front of them then I do get close to them & or Flash my Lights at them because they are Holding Myself & others who are Behind me up for No Reason & they do not own the Road or have the right to Hold others up because they for some reason decide to drive very slow.

Often it is Because they are Holding a Mobile up to their Ear which is wrong or Lighting up a Cigarette which is also wrong to do while Driving or even worse putting Makeup on :

If Driving a Vehicle you should pull over to do such things & NOT hold Others up or you will get Tailgated, Flashed & Passed at the First Opportunity :

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by Buddy 1

I agree & Always leave more space than Most if the Vehicle in front of me is sitting on or close to the advised speed, however if they are Driving along well Below the Advised Speed & have no Vehicle in Front of them then I do get close to them & or Flash my Lights at them because they are Holding Myself & others who are Behind me up for No Reason & they do not own the Road or have the right to Hold others up because they for some reason decide to drive very slow.

Often it is Because they are Holding a Mobile up to their Ear which is wrong or Lighting up a Cigarette which is also wrong to do while Driving or even worse putting Makeup on :

If Driving a Vehicle you should pull over to do such things & NOT hold Others up or you will get Tailgated, Flashed & Passed at the First Opportunity :

I see a road rage incident some time in your near future. Possibly even by you.

[anarchyok]

Originally Posted by troppo

That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Mine is different. I don't do it without what I consider to be due cause.

Keeping left and giving way aren't rocket science either but you'd be amazed how many struggle with the concepts. Hence I don't see a problem with letting them know they have made a mistake.

Also I should probably state that although I've been accused of tailgating on more than one occasion, I've never actually suffered from it myself. In fact, I don't think tailgating actally exists outside the mind of the 'victim'....a symptom of a control freak. Sure, I've had traffic dangerously close to my boot for brief periods but it really doesn't bother me at all. So long as I'm obeying both the legal rules and the unwritten rules of common courtesy (keeping left, giving way, NOT tapping brakes uneccessarily, etc.) I don't see what the problem is. If I'm hit from behind while driving normally, the law is on my side, same as applies to ALL drivers. If I hit the brakes, however, that changes things dramatically, particularly from a legal standpoint. Which is why I don't do it or recommend anyone else do it.

That's without taking into consideration angry people.

I take into consideration some of you're points, however how is one meant to give the message to someone behind them, up their butts, to back off on a single lane road where you cannot pull over to let them pass (mountain roads for example).

And whilst you can sit there in ignorance to people up your boot because most likely the law will be on your side in an accident, you don't take third parties into account. How would the law see things if a kid runs out on the road, you brake in time, but the person tailgaiting slams you into the kid?

Brake checking isn't an ideal practise on the road, and I rarely, rarely do it. But tailgating is dangerous, and I think the practise of flashing the brake lights is by far the lesser of two evils.

[troppo]

Originally Posted by anarchyok

I take into consideration some of you're points, however how is one meant to give the message to someone behind them, up their butts, to back off on a single lane road where you cannot pull over to let them pass (mountain roads for example).

And whilst you can sit there in ignorance to people up your boot because most likely the law will be on your side in an accident, you don't take third parties into account. How would the law see things if a kid runs out on the road, you brake in time, but the person tailgaiting slams you into the kid?

Brake checking isn't an ideal practise on the road, and I rarely, rarely do it. But tailgating is dangerous, and I think the practise of flashing the brake lights is by far the lesser of two evils.

Like I said, I don't do it without what I consider to be due cause. By that I mean pulling out in front of me and making me brake or swerve when there is a big gap behind me or hogging the right lane while keeping pace with the left. I don't consider driving cautiously on a single lane mountain road to be due cause and I certainly don't do it randomly.

I would imagine the law would do their own investigation to determine whether or the person who slammed me into the kid did actually fail in their duty to leave a safe gap and charge them if they thought that was the case.
On the rare occasions when I do get up someone I try to be extra vigilant not only of the car in front but the road in front of them as well for just that reason. Also it helps to determine whether the braking is just for my benefit.

I hate to say it but accidents will happen, a few tenths of a second of inattention at the wrong time could have exactly the same effect and often does.

We'll have to disagree on the order but we can agree that neither are good driving practices.