Sct Tuners Back On

[qwiksix]

Originally Posted by Jake XR6T

Ok. This is movement in the right direction. Thanks to Rob & Charlie.

Things that remain un-answered are:

a) Phase out period for XCAL1
b) Swap over arrangement from XCAL1 to XCAL3
c) Mechanism for moving existing custom tunes from XCAL1 to XCAL3

I strongly beleive that legitimate owners of XCAL1 should be provided with XCAL3 swap over at no cost, given that this phase out is being performed in these exceptional circumstances solely to assure SCT revenue stream. Also existing custom tunes on XCAL1 need a mechanism to move to XCAL3, so that they are not lost.

I also suggest that SCT products are sold with "end of life" date to ensure that this is known to the end consumer upon product purchase, rather than a nasty surprise at some random time.

Agree. Product life/end of life is a fundamental part of basic product management. To add to the above, the missing question is :
d) What is the end of support life for XCal3? When will end users (us) no longer be able to have our tuner create new tunes to load via the x-cal3?

An answer to this will prevent going though the same pain when it's time to shut down x-cal3.

qs

[05_ENFORCER]

Very subtle Flappist

[blueoval]

This is positive news for me. I will be waiting with keen interest to see if something amicable comes from this. Thanks for listening to us SCT and Rob.

[bloggs24]

I think you should get the amount u paid off the new one as long as you have proof of purchase.

[genebaby]

I think $500 is too much to "upgrade" to Xcal3. It's a blow to those that paid $1300 or $1000 when Xcal1 was new and all we had, and it's a blow to those that just bought one very recently for around $600, ie, almost as much again.

I would be prepared to pay $200 for an Xcal3 unit. I bought my Xcal one from Herrod, legitimately and it's only ever been used on the one car.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by genebaby

I think $500 is too much to "upgrade" to Xcal3. It's a blow to those that paid $1300 or $1000 when Xcal1 was new and all we had, and it's a blow to those that just bought one very recently for around $600, ie, almost as much again.

I would be prepared to pay $200 for an Xcal3 unit. I bought my Xcal one from Herrod, legitimately and it's only ever been used on the one car.

Bastards.....

I paid $88,000 for a BA GT-P and then 18 months later the bastards wanted another $40k for a new Mk2.........
I bought mine legitimately from a FPV dealer and it has only ever been driven in one country....

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by flappist

Bastards.....

I paid $88,000 for a BA GT-P and then 18 months later the bastards wanted another $40k for a new Mk2.........
I bought mine legitimately from a FPV dealer and it has only ever been driven in one country....

GOLD!

Daniel

[mrbaxr6t]

how many threads have to go on lock before people learn that it has happened, herrod and sct are likely addressing the situation, and they have stated in this very forum that the xcal1's will continue beyond their 90 days hardcut limit, I imagine that SCT/Herrod will be monitoring the situation VERY closely and I believe that if it is possible for them to allow the continuance of the use of xcal1's without hurting future revenue then they may very well do that, if people start resetting them again and stuff then SCT will rightly get very annoyed, and kill xcal1's. They look to be giving us the chance to do the right thing, if you own an xcal1 and you know of somebody resetting them etc.. report it to SCT anonymously. Working with them may very well restore their confidence in us.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by flappist

Bastards.....

I paid $88,000 for a BA GT-P and then 18 months later the bastards wanted another $40k for a new Mk2.........
I bought mine legitimately from a FPV dealer and it has only ever been driven in one country....

Remind me to never shop there

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Remind me to never shop there

Why? FPV don't sell Focuses

[ADSXR8]

Originally Posted by flappist

Bastards.....

I paid $88,000 for a BA GT-P and then 18 months later the bastards wanted another $40k for a new Mk2.........
I bought mine legitimately from a FPV dealer and it has only ever been driven in one country....

Happened to me too and I still shop there. However with changing times, I think I got one back on Ford with the G6ET purchase. Ford FPV 8/Adam 1.

BTW, great work to Herrod Motorsport. Any chance to sponsor AFF?

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by genebaby

Stupidest post ever.

How does that even work? You people that think that it is gold are not the sharpest tools in the drawer, but make no mistake, you are still tools. Admin should know better.....

That's right, Spoolman, Flappist and CAT600 are all tools.

A lot of people on here need to grow up a little and accept that the world does not owe them, and neither does SCT. You bought a product that will still function, but will not be further supported AFTER a phaseout period.

Genebaby, you might want to go call the Australian Government and Telstra "tools" for discontinuing CDMA....... then call over 50% of the population a "tool" because they voted the government into power!

There is nothing illegal or unethical about what has happened here.

MOVE WITH THE TIMES!

Daniel

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by CAT600

That's right, Spoolman, Flappist and CAT600 are all tools.

A lot of people on here need to grow up a little and accept that the world does not owe them, and neither does SCT. You bought a product that will still function, but will not be further supported AFTER a phaseout period.

Genebaby, you might want to go call the Australian Government and Telstra "tools" for discontinuing CDMA....... then call over 50% of the population a "tool" because they voted the government into power!

There is nothing illegal or unethical about what has happened here.

MOVE WITH THE TIMES!

Daniel

Dont forget me Daniel!!

[genebaby]

Originally Posted by CAT600

That's right, Spoolman, Flappist and CAT600 are all tools.

A lot of people on here need to grow up a little and accept that the world does not owe them, and neither does SCT. You bought a product that will still function, but will not be further supported AFTER a phaseout period.

Genebaby, you might want to go call the Australian Government and Telstra "tools" for discontinuing CDMA....... then call over 50% of the population a "tool" because they voted the government into power!

There is nothing illegal or unethical about what has happened here.

MOVE WITH THE TIMES!

Daniel

Work it out Daniel, your analogies are getting old and tired. Nobody was selling someone a CDMA phone weeks before the network went off the air, and an entire phone network is different to a little tick box being shut off on a program which would be very easy to leave alone.

The phasing out of old technology is not the issue, people just want SCT to LEAVE Xcal1 BOXES ALONE. Leave that tick so we can keep using them, even if we can't use them on newer cars. I buy a FH, I'll get a box/device that works with it, but disabling what should work until the box dies for me is not fair, never will be.

Everything is ok until we find out the phase out period. It may suit me ok once I get something else done to complete some mods I did recently. I may be ok, I may not as I may find a new mod I'd like to use on my car and if I need a re-tune after phase out, I'll be out of pocket when it doesn't have to be that way.

Let them find the guilty tuners and leave the rest to tune Xcal1 until the boxes die.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by genebaby

Stupidest post ever.

How does that even work? You people that think that it is gold are not the sharpest tools in the drawer, but make no mistake, you are still tools. Admin should know better.

Chicken Flapper is lucky Ford did not disable his ECU during his last service so he needed to buy that new Mk2, like us Xcal1 owners. Hence his mythical situation means nothing to this thread, and others laugh while he flaps his wings.

What SCT are doing is no laughing matter. We've yet to hear how the phase out period works but still for many it is still not good enough depending on their situation.

You were whinging about the cost of the upgrade to an X3. All new and supersceding technology costs and old tech loses value.

The X1s still work and will continue to work and guess what, I actually own one too. The X3s are better and for $600 I might just upgrade mine.

Ford DID actually "turn off" my BA ECU, it cannot be used in a BF or FG just the model I originally bought.

I am also impressed that a moderator, albeit a club moderator would stoop to childish name calling and insulting a forum director.
That always goes down well, just ask Casper, sbutler, red_el_xr8 et al.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by flappist

You were whinging about the cost of the upgrade to an X3. All new and supersceding technology costs and old tech loses value.

The X1s still work and will continue to work and guess what, I actually own one too. The X3s are better and for $600 I might just upgrade mine.

Ford DID actually "turn off" my BA ECU, it cannot be used in a BF or FG just the model I originally bought.

I am also impressed that a moderator, albeit a club moderator would stoop to childish name calling and insulting a forum director.
That always goes down well, just ask Casper, sbutler, red_el_xr8 et al.

Purchasers of X1 weren't told about any expiry date. Sure, the technology is old, but it works and does the job. If X3 is "new", then why is it old technology in the US? Are they trying to offload all their old stock? Will they "switch off" the X3, does it have an invisible expiry date like the X1?

SCT have their "reasons" for acting the way they did, according to them their reasons are justified. But one question they haven't bothered to answer is, why haven't they pursued the culprits legally instead of punishing the end user?

It's not about the extra $600-$1200 Tony, it's the principle.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Purchasers of X2 weren't told about any expiry date. Sure, the technology is old, but it works and does the job. If X3 is "new", then why is it old technology in the US? Are they trying to offload all their old stock? Will they "switch off" the X3, does it have an invisible expiry date like the X1?

Good point. The touch screen xtreme is the latest technology, see here It supercedes the X3. In light of the short lifespan of the XCal2 devices I'd be inclinded to ask my tuner/dealer for the newest model rather than a XC2/XC3 unless it is at a heavily discounted price.

One needs to ask in light of the carry on with the previous distributorship arrangement why we are being encouraged to buy the X3 units when it too is old-hat compared to the touch screen unit?

[4Vman]

Its funny how people are prepared quite literally to drop tens of thousands of dollars in depreciation in only a couple of years on vehicles and on top of that drop thousands of dollars on mods (to speed up that depreciation!!), but the min they're faced with the thought of having to spend money updating to newer technology (for only approx a grand mind you) after their 5 year old stuff "might" loose some of its functionality its world war 3...
In the past 72 hours we've come nearly full circle.. we've nearly recovered back to where we were before this all happened, and more importantly may achieve that very result in the end...
Maybe its time to accept this and move on.

[CAT600]

Originally Posted by 4Vman

Its funny how people are prepared quite literally to drop tens of thousands of dollars in depreciation in only a couple of years on vehicles and on top of that drop thousands of dollars on mods (to speed up that depreciation!!), but the min they're faced with the thought of having to spend money updating to newer technology (for only approx a grand mind you) after their 5 year old stuff "might" loose some of its functionality its world war 3...In the past 72 hours we've come nearly full circle.. we've nearly recovered back to where we were before this all happened, and more importantly may achieve that very result in the end...
Maybe its time to accept this and move on.

Are you sure you are really Norm.........

Good points mate.

Daniel

[charlie200]

So in 2 months time can i just go to a tuner and get a custom tune done or does my box need to be registered? Im a little thrown off by all the different things that have been said.

[philstoj]

Latest news seems to be 15 months.... well 12- 15 months.

[blueoval]

I think any box you may have if its second hand needs to be registered with your tuner NOW so you avoid any lockouts. Or did I get this wrong?

[Feathers]

Hang on, who mentioned us registering our boxes?
I thought it was just the tuners that needed to register their dongles (damn that sounds wrong), in order to keep tuning the Xcal 1 units?

[Burnout]

Just read all this -

God help me!

I love passionate people! :

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Well after a long 3 days i finally have the news you all wanted . I have been in constant discussions with Charlie and Rick from SCT and they have agreed to turn on all the dongles to all the tune shops as of now !.What we do need is if you have a tune shop that you use get them to contact Rob or Chris Herrod on 0394645100 or email support@sctflashtuning.com so as we can collect all the information we need as these tuners need to be registered with the SCT as of now. Previously these tuners dongles were licenced to CAPA and SCT does not have a file on who even tunes with the SCT product .All the emails that SCT sent out were from our data base and i am sure we dont have everybody .SCT have agreed to turn the dongles back on to everybody for a two week period and those dongles that are not registed will be turned off again so its real important to get them to contact us so as we can get the information to SCT.

Moving forward with X1 things will go on as it did prior to the dongles being turned off and over the next couple of weeks we will come up with a phase out program that will give you all plenty of time to get your tunes sorted out
SCT would never had done what they did if they were not sure that piracy was going .

If you have an X cal 1 we will be putting together a program avaliable from our dealers to upgrade to X cal3 .

WE are the Australian and NEW Zealand Distributors check out our web site www.sctflashtuning.com

All of your posts help send the message to SCT and i thank you all very much.
cheers Rob Herrod

Rob, thanks for the update. I have some questions.

1) When contacting our tuners, what info do we need to give them that will ensure the dongles get registered.

2) What happens to the many who haven't received this notification? How will they be contacted?

3) From your above post it seams you have made efforts to restore some commonsense by allowing partial use of X1. I say partial since it isn't reusable after a given time, contrary to how it was initially advertised. (for all you "move on and buy an X3" think about those who've only just purchased theirs!) My question to this point; how will they be fairly compensated for when their X1 is dead in a 12/24/36/whatever months?

[Feathers]

Originally Posted by Herrod Motorsport

Well after a long 3 days i finally have the news you all wanted . I have been in constant discussions with Charlie and Rick from SCT and they have agreed to turn on all the dongles to all the tune shops as of now !.What we do need is if you have a tune shop that you use get them to contact Rob or Chris Herrod on 0394645100 or email support@sctflashtuning.com so as we can collect all the information we need as these tuners need to be registered with the SCT as of now. Previously these tuners dongles were licenced to CAPA and SCT does not have a file on who even tunes with the SCT product. All the emails that SCT sent out were from our data base and am sure we don't have everybody.SCT have agreed to turn the dongles back on to everybody for a two week period and those dongles that are not registed will be turned off again so its real important to get them to contact us so as we can get the information to SCT.

That is the post I read. Nowhere does it mention that our boxes need to be registered. Only the tuners need register.

This is how people get confused.

[charlie200]

Originally Posted by Feathers

That is the post I read. Nowhere does it mention that our boxes need to be registered. Only the tuners need register.

This is how people get confused.

Thats what i was thinking but just wanted to make sure.

[loony888]

Originally Posted by Feathers

That is the post I read. Nowhere does it mention that our boxes need to be registered. Only the tuners need register.

This is how people get confused.

yep, sorry guys, i misread it, sorry for the confusion.


paul.

[Fireblade]

I spoke to my tuning shop today and to my understanding Xcal1's will be phased out between 15-18 months time, my tuner has been in contact with all involved from friday morning and has followed and been updated regularly on the situation, now what it looks like is Xcal1 will only support up to BF1, even though BFII is supported at the moment, and from BFII onwards will have to use Xcal3 to tune the vehicle. The way I see it, if you have an FG now why go a X1 when the X3 is of comparable price to a few years ago, and is of more recent technology. I will keep using my X1 with my tuner and til he says I cant use it anymore and I have to upgrade then I will look at the different options available and I believe my tuner will too.

The crap slinging that has already been done on this and other forums has been enough to show SCT and others that we won't take this lying down, but at the same time technology advances and one day they will be past their use by date. I have an X1 and I am reasonably happy with the outcome of all of this, I have a time range to work within and if my car isnt finished in regards to mods then I have no choice but to update but I have now been given reasonable warning which I think is all anybody wanted. I understand that technology becomes obselete but to be told without any warning at all that my product was useless is not good enough, we all new CDMA phones were being phased out 18-24 months prior not one day wake up and find you couldnt connect to the network and that was it your phone was a brick!

[Burnout]

Originally Posted by F6 FOON

I spoke to my tuning shop today and to my understanding Xcal1's will be phased out between 15-18 months time, my tuner has been in contact with all involved from friday morning and has followed and been updated regularly on the situation, now what it looks like is Xcal1 will only support up to BF1, even though BFII is supported at the moment, and from BFII onwards will have to use Xcal3 to tune the vehicle. The way I see it, if you have an FG now why go a X1 when the X3 is of comparable price to a few years ago, and is of more recent technology. I will keep using my X1 with my tuner and til he says I cant use it anymore and I have to upgrade then I will look at the different options available and I believe my tuner will too.

The crap slinging that has already been done on this and other forums has been enough to show SCT and others that we won't take this lying down, but at the same time technology advances and one day they will be past their use by date. I have an X1 and I am reasonably happy with the outcome of all of this, I have a time range to work within and if my car isnt finished in regards to mods then I have no choice but to update but I have now been given reasonable warning which I think is all anybody wanted. I understand that technology becomes obselete but to be told without any warning at all that my product was useless is not good enough, we all new CDMA phones were being phased out 18-24 months prior not one day wake up and find you couldnt connect to the network and that was it your phone was a brick!

This is pretty much what I have been advised by the Tuner I use. He likewise has been in contact with Herrods, SCT etc..