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These dual cab utes are for people that need a 'truck' but only intend to put a lawnmower and a few bags of lawn clippings on the back.
I've got no idea why the world decided short wheel base dual cabs were the weekend/trade vehicle of choice. They look useless in the first place. Can't fit a couch on them, a trailbike or any kind of thing you're usually thinking of when you think of 'ute' They're for towing when unloaded and that's it. The tray is mostly for decoration E: or a lawnmower and some garden bags, or some eskies. Maybe you want to buy a split a/c for someone licenced to install for you? Too high off the ground to even easily chuck a fridge up! |
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From a while ago, the missus got me to move the daughter from home to a flat, we borrowed my other daughter's dual cab Triton, all good until we had to move the queen sized bed and mattress ![]() So the tag "Useless Ute" remains from that episode, but we still borrow the Triton for the Green Waste dump run or to move other smaller things around ![]() |
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They have their uses, but it seems they are now just a trend for people who would get away with a normal car.
I know a few people who use pretty much zero of the benefits. Each to their own I guess. |
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Issues with actual trucks is availability.
If you want one you're looking at a 6 month wait, then months again for whatever body you want built. Then the are sometimes hard to sell at the end of lease because of limited market. If you want a ute you can generally get one tomorrow and are easy to sell.
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When it's not being used for work it is great off road for hunting for visiting relatives in the middle of nowhere that a standard falcon or commodore ute wouldn't get to. The height isn't a problem for the tray and I'm only 6ft, it actually leaves stuff at a good height to handle rather than having to bend a bit for lower trays. Most utes can't fit a trail bike in the tray without having to leave the tray propped open anyway and half of them have tray lids now that only open so far, making it almost impossible to safely transport anything over 500mm high without removing the lid every time. It's horses for courses buy what suits your needs and don't overload any style of ute. |
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I really should buy a....... My Ranger tows my caravan or my work trailer easily, holds 20 drums of paint, or 4 pushbikes a camping fridge and swags, takes a family of 4 to the local footy or Alice springs reasonably comfortably, and when I was riding trailbikes it even took myself and a mate with 2 trailbikes and riding gear to Alice for Finke, yep bloody useless things they are. BTW have a look at what the top 5 or so selling vehicles are.
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If I didn’t have kids I would have a single cab or extra cab ute for work. With 3 kids the dual cab is brilliant with the work canopy on the back, really is a dual purpose vehicle for me.
I wouldn’t get a ute if I didn’t have kids or didn’t need it for work, far more comfortable cars/4x4s out there. But spend your money as you wish and f$@k what everyone else thinks, they can spend their money as they see fit. But if you get a Ute liar it properly and drive to the conditions... |
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Love my old dual cab, most practical vehicle I have ever owned
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But even back then I didn't see the point of a dual cab for work. I had the courier extra cab (or whatever ford called the mazda bravo freestyle cab with rear suicide doors). Enough storage in the back for crates of my test equipment and valuable stuff (or small passengers) but still an almost full length tray for 'ute-ing' things. Handy on holidays off roading and beach driving, fishing etc as well so I know where you're all coming from - I only ended up with a falcon ute after the courier was written off in a hail storm, but still like I said the dual cabs with tiny tray seem less useful to me and I wasn't ever interested in them 20 years ago. I had to search high and low for the 4 dr extra cab. If it's not your only car it's a 'jack of all trades - master of none' compromise anyway. Handy if you want to be a taxi on a mine site but they don't make good uber cars or utes ;-) Last edited by oldel; 02-05-2020 at 09:21 PM. |
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The Falcon platform is strong, but not when it comes to stresses it was not designed for.
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It cracked the rear wall of the cab several inches above where the rear frame meets the wall, and the crack was right at the tip of where the pressed in strengthening ribs in the rear wall ended. Styleside utes have an extra bracket that supports the front end of the tub that goes from the front tub/tray mount to the back of the cab, and i've noticed that when the utes are built or converted to flat trays the bracket is missing. IMO the bracket adds a lot of strength to a Falcon ute as it braces the torque box area at the bottom of the back of the cab where the subframe joins the cab. The failure is no different to the dual cabs chassis failures from flexing
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That would explain why, when driving a Falcon ute, you can't see the tray shaking and shimmying around in the mirror like a current dual cab. I have done a lot of unsealed road driving in my Crewman, but not loaded with more than an extra spare wheel and about 150kg of personal gear, and haven't seen it shimmy either. |
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Not sure why you would take that as me implying the Rangers won't break if overloaded. No vehicle is immune from that. And what is funny about their recommendation not to jump them? Yes they can handle it, but they are not going to recommend people do it ,simply cause of the moron fringe who want to push the limits and jump 30 feet in the air. If that was the case, the owners who go too far and break them are obviously going to try to use it against them to get their car fixed. Same goes with any manufacturer who releases a fast car at a drag day, then voids the warranty of owners who use them on the drag strip. |
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If people use and load them as intended they are probably very fit for purpose,but,if they get overloaded behind the axle then the serious problems arise.The Tritons with camper bodies on the back really are a very good example of what you should NOT do with them.Why any body building company would consider putting basically the whole weight of the body behind the wheels makes one question where they got their “engineering”certificates from.Put the body on a single cab or at very minimum space cab and don’t put airbags under there to carry the extra weight.As for towing 3 tonne of caravan at 100 km/h on a potholed gravel road just because the manufacturer says it can is really a serious “joke”.
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The big one being a truck used for high pressure cleaning that SHOULD have been a light truck, except was done on a LWB tall roof Mercedes Sprinter. Said LWB tall roof Mercedes Sprinter weighed 1100kg over its rated GVM WITHOUT the 1000L of water it could carry. There's hardly any regulations on the aftermarket in this country, its an absolute ****show and the lack of quality on the junk they put out is astounding, you'd only believe it when you see it. |
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This country has regulations that governs modifications but unfortunately some people get it wrong by not following the rules, take the Vic police for one example with some of their new booze buses that cannot be driven on our roads. ![]() Cheers. |
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You may notice a large portion of those with a bent chassis have an aftermarket tray or Bodie on them.
I read an article recently that theorised that these aftermarket bodies and trays are too rigid and don’t allow the chassis to flex as per the engineered design. In addition there is at least on manufacturer that recommends a reduced speed limit when towing off a sealed surface. Maybe that’s what these utes need when loaded. |
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Ive just bought one also 2wd manual 20" mags and tyres , hard lid , towbar , deck liner, bonnet protector , and monsoons for 35k kiwi $ driveaway ....cheap as , versatile as , ive had just under a ton of bagged fert in it you just have to keep the load as far forward as you can I think where the tritons might be a bit worse off is they have a much shorter wheelbase than most utes (thats why they have the best turning circle around ) but the back axle is right at the front of the well side so all the weight is hanging behind the axle, compare it to a Ranger the back wheel is set back further ....simple physics , stick to the load limits and it should be fine
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