Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[xxx000]

I suspect the powers that be have been and are still looking at every avenue

Random people around the world, some of them nutters, claiming to have 'seen a low flying plane going over them' or 'something on fire in the sky' are distractions that waste time, money and effort.

Perhaps some wreckage has hit the WA coast but there's a lot of coastline there and most is wild and uninhabited.
I'm happy that the experts are doing everything they can and doing it the best way possible

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-n...tually-3511000

"The pingers did have the same pulse rate as the MH370 pingers — one ping per second. Searchers "believe the signals to be consistent with the specification and description of a flight data recorder," Houston said."

I googled one second interval pings for animal trackers

This archeologist claiming it could possibly be animals trackers fails to address whether or not the pulse rate on animal trackers also use one ping per second intervals. The pings detected by ocean shield were a steady 33.3khz, the second one lasting 2hrs20 minutes, all had the correct one ping per signal pulse rate. But were 33.3khz when a black box is supposed to be 37.5khz, they're saying factors like silt, fuselage shape etc can possibly distort the frequency. So they're not certain the plane is even off perth but what else could emit a consistent 33.5khz signal with the same pulse rate as an aircrafts black box? The signals then died and were no longer detected, it was assumed the batteries in the black boxes died.

Did they, or, perhaps the animal swam off...

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Did they, or, perhaps the animal swam off...

That's the question isn't it! Who knows because William Meacham has opened his mouth about these animal trackers and acoustic pingers on fishing nets basing his conclusion on only half the facts. The frequency whilst blatantly ignoring the pulse rate/signature. If animal trackers and acoustic pingers on nets don't use one ping per second intervals then it was definitely not the pingers/trackers that he claims. It's very bizarre that he hasn't clarified the pulse rate as well as the frequency before making such a claim. It's completely incompetent of him to address the pulse rate as well in his article if he wants any credibility to his opinion.

"For several decades, pingers with frequencies of 30 to 50kHz have been commonly used to track large, deep ocean animals."

But what about the pulse rate?? Herp derp Willam Meacham..

Bloody anything can put out 30 to 50khz, but the reason they are so adamant it's the black box is because ocean shield detected the second ping for 2hrs and 20min WITH the one second pulse rate with no inconsistencies for that entire 2hrs20min... the frequency detected was actually 33.5khz, a black box is 37.5khz but the pulse rate along with the signature of the pulse rate is why they're so adamant it is indeed the planes black box. The 33.5khz frequency discrepancy doesn't seem to be bothering the actual professionals, the pulse rate/signature means more to them. The frequency's don't really mean anything but is the only ground William Meacham seems to be using to credit his theory. Many environmental factors can cause a black box to emit 33.5khz instead of the expected 37.5khz frequency. They engineer black boxes on different pulse rates/frequencies to avoid precisely these problems of mistaking them for animal trackers, pingers, cordless phones etc

[MAD]

How does a transmitter specifically designed to transmit 37.5khz, change to 33.5khz?

All reports of the initial discovery of the ping mentioned it being the exact 37.5 and that's why they were so pleased/excited.

Now we're being told it was 33.5? and somehow that it's now 'normal' for the frequency shift?

[XBROO]

Originally Posted by MAD

How does a transmitter specifically designed to transmit 37.5khz, change to 33.5khz?

All reports of the initial discovery of the ping mentioned it being the exact 37.5 and that's why they were so pleased/excited.

Now we're being told it was 33.5? and somehow that it's now 'normal' for the frequency shift?

Are we really surprised there's another twist in this epic tale of incompetent facts?

[naddis01]

On Air Crash Investigations there was one were the pingers were putting out around 40khz. It might have been the Air France flight. I can't remember the reason why but I think it was something to do with the impact.

[CoupeKing]

I remember them saying it was a slightly different frequency from the get go. Something do do with depth, water temperature and salinity levels? I read on occasions that U-boat Captains preferred these conditions as it gave inconsistent readings on British Sonar/ASDIC.

[nstg8a]

Oldie but a goodie....

[ILLaViTaR]

The big difference between Air France 447 and MH370 is that the last known position, in terms of MH370, is at the top of the Malacca Straits, and then the aircraft continued to fly for an extended period after that," Houston told CNN's Anna Coren on Monday.

So now Houston is admitting it's possible both the Inmarsat analysis and detected pings aren't concrete after all. The plane could be anywhere...

[My32Doors]

Diego Garcia shhhhh!

[EgoFG]

Beijing as planned - just not at PEK airport .... remarkable collusion here

[chamb0]

Four Corners report tonight at 8.30pm.

http://iview.abc.net.au/programs/tra...1420H245C00DS1

[dirtyclevo]

Its probably in diego garcia,

I have thought this all along. there were employee's of Freescale Semiconductor onboard.
they are known to have cloaking technology and are involved in defence technology etc..

the company is us-owned but has a facility in malaysia, with many chinese employee's

its well known that the chinese are after this cloaking technology and i reckon the CIA have something to do with this.

just a few hours ago the ex-pm of malaysia has said that the CIA have something to do with it. i believe they do.

http://www.news.com.au/world/malaysi...-1226923065974

there are bunch of c**ts. they think they run the world and stick there nose into everything. surprise surprise.

and another thing. that message that was sent by a passenger of mh370 was founded as a hoax. but how do we know. how do we know the cia just did there magic on that to. its there job to be sneaky.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...-sarah-3521188

[iCat]

Anybody watch 4 corners last night? Shed no new light but really highlighted the incompetence of the Malaysian government....

[xxx000]

Was interesting and usual high quality 4 corners work.

all evidence points to it being in the area they are now searching

Possible causes being either deliberate actions by someone or a fire or similar taking out electronics

[Trump]

The Freescale patent tinfoil theory is bogus. The patent number being thrown around has nothing to do with cloaking tech, its an algorithm for maximising the amount of whole dies they can cut from a given sized circular silicon wafer.

As for the Four Corners story last night, it did reveal incompetence on the part of the Malaysian govco, but what was more interesting was the zero response from the military when asked if they saw the plane.

[iCat]

In all reality it has not crashed. There is no debris.

Loud Noises how do you know about the patent? That's extraordinary.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by iCat

In all reality it has not crashed. There is no debris.

Loud Noises how do you know about the patent? That's extraordinary.

This is the patent in question:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...81.PN.&OS=PN/8

[iCat]

thankyou

[buggo]

Originally Posted by MAD

How does a transmitter specifically designed to transmit 37.5khz, change to 33.5khz?

All reports of the initial discovery of the ping mentioned it being the exact 37.5 and that's why they were so pleased/excited.

Now we're being told it was 33.5? and somehow that it's now 'normal' for the frequency shift?

As sound travels the waves stretch out and the pitch changes.

And example is like when a car beeps driving past, the sound changes to you, but it still producers the same frequency the whole time.

In the case of the black box, it's beep is 37.5Khz, but relative to the boats, the wave stretched out to be 33.5Khz.

[MAD]

Originally Posted by buggo

As sound travels the waves stretch out and the pitch changes.

And example is like when a car beeps driving past, the sound changes to you, but it still producers the same frequency the whole time.

In the case of the black box, it's beep is 37.5Khz, but relative to the boats, the wave stretched out to be 33.5Khz.

The pitch doesn't change over the distance it travel, the intensity reduces.
The 'speed of sound' and 'frequency' are not the same.


The ping was picked up with the vessel travelling in different directions, and all detections were said to be 33.5khz (well initially 37.5, but now 33.5)
If the frequency shift was due to the Doppler effect the frequency change would have been different for each direction the vessel was travelling when it was detected.

If this phenomenon actually happens, it would help them locate the black box very accurately as they would know exactly how fast the vessel was travelling, how far the frequency would shift, and run calculations based on that.

[cs123]

Is this a radio signal they were listening for or an acoustic signal? 33.5KHz seems like a very high frequency to be pinged acoustically, it would attenuate quickly.

[MAD]

From what I've read the underwater pinger is a acoustic.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Was interesting and usual high quality 4 corners work.

all evidence points to it being in the area they are now searching

Possible causes being either deliberate actions by someone or a fire or similar taking out electronics

I got the complete opposite from the show.

The technology used to supposedly pin point its location has never been used in such a way before, they said that.
For all we know it may well have flown through the northern corridor.
There is nothing significant to say it is anywhere near the search area.

As for a fire etc. I think the pilots thoughts on the scenario could lead to no other conclusion except that the systems were switched off manually as the timing of the sequence of events would be too coincidental otherwise.
As he said, it didn't just lose contact and crash, it flew on for hours making various manoeuvres.

There really are only 2 possible scenarios that take into account its actual documented flight path and time in the air regardless of where it currently resides, the first being Pilot suicide, the second being 'outside' intervention.
The pilot they interviewed all but ruled out Pilot suicide, so that leaves us with only one alternative, control of the plane shifted, but to whom and by what means.

[cram_it_frog]

Hi to every one well did any one see the show on Austar Tv on the week end and they looked into this and pointed out a number of inconsistency but this has all of the " experts " totally baffled and from the way it is looking your great great grand children might find out what really happened

I personally still cannot believe that we still know nothing

As I said way back in the early days if you suggested to some people this sort of thing could happen you would have been told no way not with today's technology

I also personally feel some of the Asian governments know more but are not prepared to say any thing because of the fact they do not want to tell us what sort of radar or electronic devices they have out there

The entire area is a powder keg of border problems

[iCat]

love all the scenarios in this thread, love the explanations

[Danny]

Originally Posted by iCat

love all the scenarios in this thread, love the explanations

Complete with all the grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors of real professional investigators.

[steve.zissou]

so in the last couple of days we have:

1)ex Malaysian PM mahathir says CIA knows whats going on with flight 370 (i know he is old but still its good to know its not just me and my propeller hat wearing friends thinking this way
2) they finally release the data from Inmarsat to show how they located the search area (hmmm why release now )
3) Now they come out and say, "well, those ping's weren't from the black box - we'll need to get back to you".

Originally Posted by Danny

Complete with all the grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors of real professional investigators.

Actually i deal with a number of private investigators - and the best ones would have trouble writing a birthday invitation, but man can they dig up info.

I also had a class mate in Uni that was a bit of a genius in economics. he used to do some of his assignments in crayon, would mis-spell every second word, invent his own syntax because he thought it was "better" and other things along those lines.
Most lecturers loved him but one always got hung up on these issues and tried to fail him because of it - i think some one said something to the effect of " WTF does it matter "

The lecturer is now not teaching at all and the student is now doing quite well and some times writes his reports in crayon on the walls of his office with spelling mistakes and no syntax

[gcg2503]

Originally Posted by Danny

Complete with all the grammatical, spelling, and syntax errors of real professional investigators.

I am not sold on the use of the second comma Danny!

[v8der]

Like I've been saying since day 1...Aliens