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Vaccine injury is always a possibility even outside of covid vaccinations. So you want people to have access to a vaccine that's currently outside of medical recommendations for their age group, make their own choice to get it despite the advice saying don't... so as to largely protect others.. but then you also want to backpedal if they die from it and claim "personal choice, personal responsibilitly"? This is exactly why there's so much hesitancy around the AZ vaccine - people feel like their life is ultimately not important and if they die from it well too bad so sad. |
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Don't think Joe Hockey will get invited to any future Liberal Party Xmas dinners. He laid a fair turd on his former party's handling of the virus.........
Seems every one in the media and ex politicians are all experts......
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When I eventually get around to having mine it'll be for me and that's it.
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It would be nice to hear the CHO's rationale at some stage. Hard to imagine a Chief Health Officer would roll the dice on public health. Quote:
https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...a2c5fad9e7427b What scares you most about covid? Catching it and getting sick or dying - 21% Passing it on to others who could get sick or die - 32% It's impact on my life through restrictions and lockdowns - 33% The impact it is having on my finances - 5% The impact it is having on my mental health - 9% 44,695 Voters "impact on my life through restrictions and lockdowns" had a sudden increase in the last couple of days ![]() Result is all the more interesting given the readership of this outlet.
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Surely the takeaway from that poll is that 2/3 of respondents aren’t overly concerned about what happens to other people?
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Not this week.
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In my work I'm inside 20 different different houses a week and in contact with many people. The less chance I have of catching it has to help my family. |
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Seems our PM must be suffering cabin fever after having to be in self-isolation for 2 weeks
He is telling everyone to go against his own medical professionals advice on people under 60 taking the AstraZeneca vaccine - he must have a different insight to others, or he is a AZ share-holder, or maybe he got some great advice via Hillsong - who knows But, it is like a WTF moment, when a non-medical person goes against the medical advice of professionals - maybe he needs to sack them if he has no confidence in their advice
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Well he was around when Qantas made their first flight
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im not surprised
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yes still (as money n time permit) doing the rebuilding the zh fairlane with a clevo 400m 4v heads injected whipple blown with aode 4 speed trans to a 9" ....... we'll get there eventually just remember don't be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the Ark...Professionals built the Titanic! I have taken up meditation... at least it's better than sitting around doing nothing !! |
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It used to be that people in society cared for each other and how their own actions would affect other people, both positively and negatively. That kind of concern for others doesn't really exist anymore, now it's a "**** you, I got mine" kind of society. The flu jab is another that's rolled out for herd immunity to protect the vulnerable. The whole concept of herd immunity is to protect the vulnerable and those that can't be vaccinated themselves. Less-at-risk people take one for the team so as to protect other people. It's probably heading off topic but if more people cared about others then we'd all be living in a better world today. ![]() Last edited by leesa; 30-06-2021 at 08:50 AM. |
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You yourself decided to ignore the then current "medical advice" way back earlier when you said you were not going to get AZ, and you were willing to endanger the community and wait for Pfizer. (That's because you're selfish. I'm not saying that to insult you, just to describe the behaviour of being concerned for yourself and not of others.) But that is your right in my book, the medical advice changed, and it could change again. You exercised your right to look at the medical advice, and exercise personal choice and accept personal responsibility. I support your right to do that.
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But yes, noone can stop you if you want to do that. Quote:
FWIW I get the flu jab each year too. Not because I'm in any at-risk group of dying from the flu but I could easily pass it on to someone who might. Keeping others safe is a community responsibility. It's the same reason why your kids can't take peanuts to school despite not having allergies themselves. Then there are others on here saying they should be able to leave the house of their free will and never be forced into lock down because they're confident in their own ability to survive an infection (**** everyone else though, right?). That anyone who's at-risk should just not leave their house and that if they do, and happen to get sick by someone like themselves infecting them, well it was their own choice to put themselves at risk by leaving the house and if they wanted to stay alive they should have kept themselves safer. ![]() |
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That’s good to know - thanks.
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Interesting way of looking at it, I like the way you think. Although I reckon people selected what they related to the most, not necessarily meaning the others didn't factor. Hard to believe 95% didn't care about impact to their finances.
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We may just have to go and take it then........
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#11839 | ||
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the federal government are withholding pfizer. Scomo won't release more supply and has instead suggested younger generations go and get astrazeneca. He should be releasing more supply and not making comment on medical directives seeing as he's not qualified to do so.
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My next wondering, is whether the fairly long interval between doses of Astra-Zeneca, will be shortened.
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Jeanette Young makes her position clear: No, I do not want under-40s to get AstraZeneca. Reporter: Why? Dr Young: Because they are at increased risk of getting - it is rare, but they are at increased risk of getting the rare clotting syndrome. We've seen up to 49 deaths in the UK from that syndrome. I don't want an 18-year-old in Queensland dying from a clotting illness who, if they got COVID probably wouldn't die. We've had very few deaths due to COVID-19 in Australia in people under the age of 50, and wouldn't it be terrible that our first 18-year-old in Queensland to who dies related to this pandemic died because of the vaccine? https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...ost-1201814742
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Data valid as at 00:00 GMT June 29th, 2021.
Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting. 25 new cases for Australia and no deaths so the CMR is 2.978%. 3 cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.949% and active cases 30. The UK had a lower 20,223 cases yesterday and higher 23 deaths. A higher 15,552 new cases in the USA yesterday and higher 224 deaths sees CMR at 1.795%. Other notable points: Global deaths pass 3.95M, the last 50k in 6 days; South America passes 1M deaths - just over half being from Brazil; Fiji (312); Cuba (3,080); and Tunisia (5,251) ... recorded new daily highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day. Myanmar moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period while Mozambique and the Dominican Republic drop below.
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Everyone getting hysterical about this. Acknowledging a shortage of Pfizer so.... if you want.....from the ABC Who can get the AstraZeneca vaccine? AstraZeneca is the preferred vaccine for people over the age of 60. That is the health advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI). However, last night Prime Minister Scott Morrison clarified that did not "preclude" people under 60 from getting AstraZeneca. "If you wish to get the AstraZeneca vaccine, then we would encourage you to go and have that discussion with your GP," Mr Morrison said. So, anyone over age 18 who has been eligible to get a COVID-19 vaccine as part of the Commonwealth rollout has always been able to ask for AstraZeneca. The key change announced on Monday night was the introduction of a new no-fault indemnity scheme for GPs. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-...-gps/100251376 How people can claim to be confused about this, well I worry more about our intelligence than covid.
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"informed consent" only goes so far, people are not medical professionals and you can't expect everyone to be able to know which decision to make. If only there was some sort of governing medical body that could weigh up the risks with the advantages and put out some sort of medical advice on which vaccination people should get, incase they don't want to or can't make their own decisions. Besides, there's nothing stopping you from going to get an astrazeneca shot if you really want one. It's against medical advice but if you want one, go get one. Why are you trying to prevent medical professions from putting out medical advice for people who don't know enough or can't make their own decisions? I don't understand why people are trying to make this out to be some sort of conspiracy? |
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Have heard of individuals doing their due diligence and asking questions or showing concern, which is neither hysterical or confused........
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Trouble in South Australia now......
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Not my point at all, it's a quote in reply to your post with what the Qld Health minister said....
Fairly straight forward post i thought.
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As someone who likes a bit of background noise (TV and radio) when working from home, I'm finding it really hard not to get distracted with all the covid news, then jumping on FFA to read the banter
![]() SA now reporting that a family might have the delta variant. With the kicker being that the family was known to be positive before being allowed to fly in on a private jet. Lock down could be imminent, according to Andrew Clennell from Sky News (why do I have that on?). Although, sounds odd you would allow known positives to return then lock the state down? Something doesn't make sense. Meanwhile, 7000 Victorians have returned from red zones. It would be a mini miracle if Vic comes through unscathed. Again, seeing quite a few yellow plates out in the burbs this afternoon.
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