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Why hasn't Australia and our influenza strategy been included in the discussions about countries who have successfully handled the outbreak due to past experiences with novel viruses?
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CD plan, emergency response plan for communicable disease incidents of national significance, September 20165—broadens the scope of the National action plan for human influenza pandemic to now cover all communicable disease incidents of national significance. I don't think you read very far into the document you are criticising. I was only a few pages in and it clear states the above about all communicable diseases. Are you doing the "it's not a communicable diseases" thing? |
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Let me help you a bit This is from the Pandemic plan (which doesn't exist) Quote:
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They had a plan.....
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This all boils down to the same old thing.
1. Incoming International flights 2. Hotel Quarantine Ground hog day, we either all get Vaccinated (you may believe that is rubbish), or you stop blooming international flights / have a 100% effective process of controlling those that come in with this Virus. This is all now a joke, and our State and Federal leaders need a bi-partisan approach, rather than the rubbish we’ve been hearing in the last 24 hours. Ms Palash-chook (it’s not Palay-Shay), can be the first one to start leading, followed by a few others (who are just looking at opinion poles). Edit: spelling Last edited by Fordman1; 01-07-2021 at 05:10 PM. |
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I don't know if there's been a miscommunication or misunderstanding of what I've said what but you guys can't possibly be suggesting that the document is a sufficient plan of attack for what we have experienced so far? It doesn't come close. We're pretty clearly having to nut through this whole process with our best effort and adapt it as we go. International border controls to this degree? never happened before. police-run checkpoints at state borders? also never happened. software development to assist in tracing people at this level? also a first. state-wide check-in apps? same. social-distancing systems and limits set in almost every industry across the country? Yes, first for that also. large scale working from home arrangements? first. remote learning for students? same. What we've been through so far is unprecedented for us. We have no playbook for it, we haven't done this before so we have no experience to fall back on. Once the whole thing is done we will have valuable data about what worked and what didn't work, and we'll be able to create a strategy that we can enact very quickly if this ever happens again. The document that you guys are referring to doesn't even come close. If you're trying to say that the government deserves the criticism it's receiving because of an INFLUENZA strategy guide, then I don't know what else to say. I can't argue with you about it because I just can't grasp why anyone would think that's sufficient instruction for the country to follow given what we've had to face and learn. Last edited by leesa; 01-07-2021 at 05:12 PM. |
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And to address you other point International border controls to this degree? never happened before. police-run checkpoints at state borders? https://www.naa.gov.au/blog/closed-b...-flu-australia Quote:
Fair dinkum... you crack me up
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You're just grasping at straws. I think you know quite well that what we've encountered during this pandemic is new for us and that afterwards we'll have a better idea of what works and what doesn't.
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lol....
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Page 2 first link. Contained there in is a least a dozen links to the plans for communicable diseases. Hopefully that helps you see what I am reading into it. |
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I can only suggest that you go right back and re-read everything that I've said because I don't think you understand what I've been saying. edit: and it was created in 2016, how could it possibly cover everything that would be needed in an pandemic that hadn't even begun yet? |
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I don't wear a mask anymore, unless asked to by 'staff' etc, and that's just to avoid confrontation.
Anyway, I was just about to enter the supermarket and a young tradie with all his work gear hanging on his back pack and hip enters first and heads towards the beer section and this old guy had a go at him. I couldn't hear what he said but it was clearly about him not wearing a mask. Tradie does an arm-gesture (clearly telling him to *&^& off), pays for his beer then left - I hung around hoping it would escalate. That old guy was overweight and purchased a pack of smokes and he's worried about Covid? LMAO. One born every minute. |
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It covers it, here is the link for 2 Social distancing measures for pandemic influenza .......................................... 3 2.1 Proactive school closure .................................................. ........................... 3 2.2 Reactive school closure .................................................. ............................ 4 2.3 Workplace closure .................................................. .................................... 5 2.4 Working from home .................................................. ................................. 5 2.5 Voluntary isolation of cases .................................................. ..................... 6 2.6 Voluntary quarantine of contacts.......................................... ...................... 7 2.7 Cancellation of mass gatherings .................................................. ............... 7 https://www1.health.gov.au/internet/main/publishing.nsf/Content/519F9392797E2DDCCA257D47001B9948/$File/Social-2019.PDF If you click on links to different sections it is pretty comprehensive. I have spoon fed you all the links, try reading the thing. This barely touches a fraction of it, some people have obviously put a lot of thought into it. Before you think of another example try and find it the report. The only thing I haven't seen is a mention of toilet paper panic buying spree but I suppose they didn't see that one coming. The whole point of a plan is to preempt what might happen in the future, so it was written in 2016, are they expected to plan in advance for something that is already happening? |
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That aside, the social distancing one that you've listed still doesn't outline a plan that can be implemented. It's a discussion about the benefits/outcomes of proactive and reactive actions in influenza outbreaks but it's not enough to cover what I'm talking about. Schools were not set up to be able to instantly enact learn-from-home policies, we had to learn that and will be ready next time. For workplace closures it actually says "Proactive workplace closure is not considered as a measure due to <blah>" but we know that's not the case with covid. Almost the whole country has proactively closed workplaces and sent people home to work. And even then, many workplaces were unprepared and IT staff had to scramble to meet needs. Now that we've learned from it, we'll be ready next time on that front also. There are heaps more that I could go on with but I think you get the idea. Do you see what I'm saying? All of our efforts have nuances that we've had to learn as we went along. The covidsafe app, I doubt that's going to be mentioned in any of your articles but that was a lesson we had to learn also. We didn't just have a list pre-prepared that we could follow. Almost everything we've had to date we've had to figure out a way forward. The next time it comes around, we'll know not to attempt a covidsafe app because it's not effective enough. We'll know not to trust paper-based sign-ins for people because people lie. We'll know to enact digital sign-ins because they're more effective. We'll know how many people to let into the country, whether they should be staying in medihotels or hospitals, and who should be permitted to transport them. We'll also know not to use private security to run hotels for quarantine hotels. All of that learned experience will form part of a plan and we'll be better prepared next time. If that still doesn't make sense then I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. |
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He's lucky he wasn't asking questions of Commissioner Stevens as he would have had his **** handed to him in no uncertain terms. EDIT: Just watched Sky's selectively edited package in that linked video - I notice they have cut all the bits where he made a fool of himself, which was majority of what went on. Like seriously, he's unpacking a press conference in which they reported 5 cases but we are not going into lockdown, and he literally then says "They are on a hair-trigger here in South Australia; they will go into lockdown in this state if there are one or two cases." In fairness to him 5 cases is not 1 or 2 cases, so maybe he is right - maybe 1 or 2 cases we'll lockdown, but not for 3+ cases?? Last edited by Mulva; 01-07-2021 at 07:45 PM. |
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![]() Appreciate all the references cs123 and Ross1. Have skimmed some of it, finding it an interesting read as it relates to some of the day job, although not health related here.
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“The 1918 influenza pandemic was the most severe pandemic in recent history.”
“It is estimated that about 500 million people or one-third of the world's population became infected with this virus. The number of deaths was estimated to be at least 50 million worldwide with about 675,000 occurring in the United States.” https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-res...emic-h1n1.html
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tiny bit racial there,open slather on here lately
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You found that offensive? You need to get out more.
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Oh Ross is definitely a racist, which is strange as he's a Pom who lived on Oz for years and Married to a Maori
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We haven't been to war for a while - I wonder if govmit has a plan for that...
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