Bathurst getting booring?

[Nikked]

I thought todays race was a ripper. I laugh at the thought of replacing it with showroom cars...yawn.

XR8 road car


XR8 V8 Supercar



Audi A4 road car


Audi A4 DTM


GT-R Road car



GT-R Super GT



I think that the V8 supercars maintain resemblence compared to other catagories.

[4Vman]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

I have watched every lap of every Bathurst since 1976 (excpet for ads etc)
Some track side, most on tv.

ITs funny the amount of people who cry for the olden days, when there was more passing etc. most of them are too young (Ok not all!) and are going by some 10 minute highlight reel they have seen. Summarise modern Bathursts into a 10 minute reel and it would be even better.

BAck then there was generally ony 3 or 4 cars really capable of winning most years. Msot years you knew who would win in September! There were prob only 10 cars in "V8" class and half of htem were dungers. 1977 Moff/bond had won all but one race all year. holden werent in it. Come bathurst it was only a question of how much by. 1978-81 the opposite applied. Ford couldnt win a chook raffle.

I did like the variety of cars and drivers, but the amount of cheating, post race appeals and exlusions. Brocks last win was awarded something like 4 weeks after the race!

Also cant help but laugh at teh amount of people who said "Its boring, i only watched a bit" ... Um if youdidnt watch it, how do you know if it was boring. FOr gods sake its an enduro nota 2 lap demo derby.I wonder if you ever read a book with chapters? Things unfold.

THat dice for 3rd this afternoon on last lap was classic.

I dont get passionate about it any more. ITs jstu aprofessional sport with purpose built "sillhoutte" cars. but its a fun waay to waste a day or two.

IF you want cars clsoer to production, you want classes and variety. GET ut to bathurst mid Feb. Vote with your feet and your wallet. Dont slump at your pc and whine.

I will see youthere!

Very well said as well.

[HLC]

Originally Posted by flappist

12 hour is competitive motor racing, it really only appeals to motor racing enthusiasts, people who race or follow amateur and/or professional motor racing at different levels and there are not very many of them really.

Like Polo, IPSC, Netball, Triathalon, or any of the other hundreds if not thousands of sports played, only the true enthusiasts have more than a passing interest.

Volleyball, boring...... but stick the competitors in tiny costumes and put it on the beach.... BEACH VOLLEYBALL....a MUST SEE... who cares about the game.

V8SC is a television mini series, it is entertainment for the masses.

was gonna say competitive pistol shooting til i re-read your post tony.

i dont think there was one spectator up at the Nats in Darwin aside from one girl i dragged along, relatives, or other shooters from the range that werent shooting.

and that was supposed to be in the Arafura Games. go figure!

[baxi]

been to the track every year since 1992 except this year..always found it entertaning on track & camping...i think the restriction limits on the cars these days make it more competitive...

though i hate it when it rains..."most times".. the best car does not always win..

[BA GT-HO]

Not sure if many of you are familiar with FIA GT3, but this might be a way for V8SC to please some people that are asking for the cars to resemble something you can actually buy at the dealer and attract new manufacturers to the series. We already have a series in Australia like this, it could be a good base to start on maybe?

Basically FIA GT3 is aimed more at people who wish to race on a lower budget. The manufacturers provide the cars to customers fully prepared and ready for racing. But the teams can fiddle around with them but they are all limited in what they can actually alter from production specs. The cars are then hit with certain power restrictions or weight restrictions to keep it all even.

At the moment these cars and manufacturers participate in Europe:

* Ascari KZ1-R
* Aston Martin DBRS9
* Audi R8 LMS
* BMW Alpina B6 GT3
* Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R
* Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
* Ferrari 430 Scuderia GT3
* Ford GT GT3
* Ford Mustang FR500GT3
* Jaguar XKR GT3
* Lamborghini Gallardo GT3
* Morgan Aero SuperSport GT3
* Porsche 997 GT3 Cup S

A lot of variety and not a bad list of names as far as I am concerned.

Ford and Holden could then bring out homogulation models with the aim of competing against the european cars. Imagine an GT3 spec GT or F6 roadcar.

Would that appease the people who don't like the current format?

[Franco Cozzo]

We've pretty much come to the conclusion that the current formula works very well given the amount of people who watch it and go to the actual race, but It works so well, it makes it boring.

I'd like to see factory cars on the track, factory from the dealership and have all makes/models running to see how they compare against each other, example have multiple "classes" in the same race, then their times are compared against each other in their class, for example Hyundai i30, Ford Focus etc are "small car" class, but they're still on the track with Falcon, Commodore, 300C etc.

[DJR-351]

Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

Not sure if many of you are familiar with FIA GT3, but this might be a way for V8SC to please some people that are asking for the cars to resemble something you can actually buy at the dealer and attract new manufacturers to the series. We already have a series in Australia like this, it could be a good base to start on maybe?

Basically FIA GT3 is aimed more at people who wish to race on a lower budget. The manufacturers provide the cars to customers fully prepared and ready for racing. But the teams can fiddle around with them but they are all limited in what they can actually alter from production specs. The cars are then hit with certain power restrictions or weight restrictions to keep it all even.

At the moment these cars and manufacturers participate in Europe:

* Ascari KZ1-R
* Aston Martin DBRS9
* Audi R8 LMS
* BMW Alpina B6 GT3
* Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R
* Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
* Ferrari 430 Scuderia GT3
* Ford GT GT3
* Ford Mustang FR500GT3
* Jaguar XKR GT3
* Lamborghini Gallardo GT3
* Morgan Aero SuperSport GT3
* Porsche 997 GT3 Cup S

A lot of variety and not a bad list of names as far as I am concerned.

Ford and Holden could then bring out homogulation models with the aim of competing against the european cars. Imagine an GT3 spec GT or F6 roadcar.

Would that appease the people who don't like the current format?

That would certainly intrest me....but i have no doubt you are about to receive a few replies why Ford and Holden would NOT consider it.... :

[4117kev]

the overtaking is neither here nor there, but it would be nice if they at least raced with the same engine that you can purchase the car with.

Make it the true manufacturers race that it use to be regardless of where the engines come from, this would also give more r&d for the after market products.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by BA GT-HO

Not sure if many of you are familiar with FIA GT3, but this might be a way for V8SC to please some people that are asking for the cars to resemble something you can actually buy at the dealer and attract new manufacturers to the series. We already have a series in Australia like this, it could be a good base to start on maybe?

Basically FIA GT3 is aimed more at people who wish to race on a lower budget. The manufacturers provide the cars to customers fully prepared and ready for racing. But the teams can fiddle around with them but they are all limited in what they can actually alter from production specs. The cars are then hit with certain power restrictions or weight restrictions to keep it all even.

At the moment these cars and manufacturers participate in Europe:

* Ascari KZ1-R
* Aston Martin DBRS9
* Audi R8 LMS
* BMW Alpina B6 GT3
* Chevrolet Corvette Z06.R
* Dodge Viper Competition Coupe
* Ferrari 430 Scuderia GT3
* Ford GT GT3
* Ford Mustang FR500GT3
* Jaguar XKR GT3
* Lamborghini Gallardo GT3
* Morgan Aero SuperSport GT3
* Porsche 997 GT3 Cup S

A lot of variety and not a bad list of names as far as I am concerned.

Ford and Holden could then bring out homogulation models with the aim of competing against the european cars. Imagine an GT3 spec GT or F6 roadcar.

Would that appease the people who don't like the current format?

Are any of them 4 door family cars? What sales would ford and holden achive with a 150 grand + sedan with no rear seat?

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by gilmore

If this race is boring then Im Bronwyn Bishop.Safety car,you beauty.

Parts I saw weren't particularly interesting, lots of blocking but if you wanted to get past someone, you punted them.

[ebxr8240]

Trouble these days the cars are far too fast..
If they used std engines ?? I think that MAY not favour Ford ??
The Gen lll engine can be made to BIG capacity...
Atleast in Fords case .. The V8 engines can be built using the Boss 8.2W block..
Ford cylinder heads..
TMK the G.M engine is a speedway motor ?? They originally didn't have provision for engine mounts...

[AC/DC]

I think the original poster is about 15 years too late ! ! ITs been boring for ages......

[Ryan]

I don't know about Bathurst being boring. IMO this was the most nail biting 1000 in atleast 10 years, and infact this is the only Bathurst that I've bothered to watch the entire race, and not in parts.

I just can't get into production racing. I think watching stock SSs/GTSs vs XR8s/GTs around the mountain for 6+ hours would be far more boring than the current formula. It worked well back in the old days, because that's all we were used to seeing. Returning the formula IMO back to a production based formula would be a huge step back.

Anyway even the GT race that was on yesterday with the Porsches, Aston Martins, etc I found underwhelming.

I like it the way it is.

[BLDNUT01]

to me the race was still exciting even with holden winning but i,d have to say next season doesn,t hold much promise for us ford fans with not that many fords competing

[500SEC]

V8 supercars in October? Boring as hell.

I'll be making my third trip to Bathurst in February. It's Australian motorsport's best-kept secret.

[BENT_8]

The race was a cracker, but the finish lacked somewhat.
With the top six doing equal lap times for the last 20 odd laps it was always gonna be a sprint finish with the only overtaking via a shunt.

I'd much rather see a big V8 being hunted by a 4wd turbo.

I know Grp A had its knockers, and rightly so when Gibbo's Nissan team had a gazillion dollar budget, but what about a similar multi category race but run slightly differently.

Consider this
The race is open to any manufacturer
Each vehicle entered is to submit an average lap time and a breakout time(say 5sec quicker than ave time) based on its characteristics ie. an F6 will lap quicker than a N/A XR6.
The total expected race time (lap time x 161) is then compared to all other vehicles in the race and a start time or lap is derived.
So Joe bloggs driving an XR6 (Lets say the slowest expected total race time) sets off on his 1000k race at 10am followed x laps later by the F6.
The F6 will pass the XR many times over his 161 laps until somewhere near the end the two find themselves in a cat and mouse for the line providing the hunt down finish we all want.
If the car beats its breakout lap time, it gets a drive through.

Any thoughts?

[PALE ALE]

The worst thing about Bathurst, is channel 7 interupting the adverts with the car race!

[kircher]

Originally Posted by Nikked

I thought todays race was a ripper. I laugh at the thought of replacing it with showroom cars...yawn.

XR8 road car


XR8 V8 Supercar



Audi A4 road car


Audi A4 DTM


GT-R Road car



GT-R Super GT



I think that the V8 supercars maintain resemblence compared to other catagories.

If you actually read the rest of the thread you'd realise that's not what production car racing is. And why is it so important for them to resemble road cars anyway when they have no commonality.

[kircher]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Are any of them 4 door family cars? What sales would ford and holden achive with a 150 grand + sedan with no rear seat?

Once again a naiive comment. There is more to gain than just selling $150 000+ homologation cars for a profit. If the tech developed for racing trickles down to the standard production cars then it can actually improve performance/handling/safety/whatever, which is likely to improve sales and competitiveness and perhaps improve the prospects of owning an Australian rear wheel drive. Maybe it's time to downsize slightly anyway.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by FordFairlaneAU

I'm so bored with the V8's as well.. Bring back production car racing again... The only thing close that come to this is the UTES..

But that is controlled as well to try and make them equal..and low budget.

I enjoyed watching Bathurst, and will continue to do so. Like many have said if you want to watch Production car racing there are races held during the year. If their is a big interest then the media will pick it up.

But V8SC is getting changed in the next couple of years so will have to see what happens.

[Keepleft]

Bathurst was on?

I'd rather watch 25 Great Wall V240's circuit:-)

[last fairlane]

Back in 1984 I think it was they had the Brocks and Johnsons racing factory cars there was also production cars racing all in together
any way the TV commentator pointed out a production VK 308 factory standard car and as it went down Con rod straight it got blown away by a CDT (Country dealer team) Gemini
it just showed the difference between production and factory teams
also the first Armstrong 500 this was prior to Bathurst being the premier event
any way it was won by a Vauxhall Velox as Vauxhall is part of GM its a wonder the red team hasnt crowed about that
John

[ltd]

Originally Posted by PALE ALE

The worst thing about Bathurst, is channel 7 interupting the adverts with the car race!

Tell me about it.
I think as of next year they'll rename it the:
"Channel 7 1000 Ads Extravaganza - with an annoying little bit of cars too"

[Rodp]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Consider this
The race is open to any manufacturer
Each vehicle entered is to submit an average lap time and a breakout time(say 5sec quicker than ave time) based on its characteristics ie. an F6 will lap quicker than a N/A XR6.
The total expected race time (lap time x 161) is then compared to all other vehicles in the race and a start time or lap is derived.
So Joe bloggs driving an XR6 (Lets say the slowest expected total race time) sets off on his 1000k race at 10am followed x laps later by the F6.
The F6 will pass the XR many times over his 161 laps until somewhere near the end the two find themselves in a cat and mouse for the line providing the hunt down finish we all want.
If the car beats its breakout lap time, it gets a drive through.

Any thoughts?

Handicapping is no way to run an interesting race. The interest comes in cars passing each other, not lapping each other. It's similar when they trot out the old family car, GT spec car and F1 car. The only potentially interesting bit is the few 100 meters before the finishing line.

[ebxr8240]

Originally Posted by ltd

Tell me about it.
I think as of next year they'll rename it the:
"Channel 7 1000 Ads Extravaganza - with an annoying little bit of cars too"

As I said to a friend while watching the race..
The race has interrupted the adds..
;
To take a quote from Ross Stone about Mark Skaife Lol...

[merlin]

Yeah I don't really watch it any more - too boring now with very little overtaking and a safety car every 5 minutes.

Only motorsport I can stand is the MotoGP bikes and only because of all the overtaking and short race time.

I had someone at work tell me today - "hey sorry bout Ford on the weekend, but it is a bit unfair you guys only have a 5.4L engine whilst we race a 6.2L". The general public definatly DO NOT realise V8supercars are identical.

[DJL351]

Why stop with the V8SC....

Cricket is boring too - lets change it so the the bowler can use a hand grenade once an over - lets take way these modern bats they are using and make them use a tree branch.

Soccer - Oh so boring. Instead of a Red card, let the Ref shoot the player in the wrong - I'll watch that for sure!

AFL - Mega boring. Lets go back to the 1800's when it was a real sport.

[DJL351]

Originally Posted by kircher

I don't follow motorsport religiously, but I do watch it a bit when it's on tv,

You're making a lot of claims and suggestions for someone that doesn't really follow motorsport.

I don't follow Wood Cutting, but have seen it on TV a couple of times - and I'd feel very out of place making stupid suggestions as to how improve a sport i barely know or watch.

[Falcman0o7]

Next year it will be called the

" KFC 1000 "

Or

" Commodore 1000 "

[burnz]

Originally Posted by DJL351

Why stop with the V8SC....

Cricket is boring too - lets change it so the the bowler can use a hand grenade once an over .

now id pay to watch that!