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08-03-2010, 12:40 AM | #91 | |||
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The speed limit in the UK being 70 miles per hour, you can actually travel at 80 to 90 miles per hour with out being booked. So the right lane is for the faster flowing traffic, and those happy doing the posted limt can do so but in the other lanes. Unfortunately there is not much advantage here as you can be booked for doing 5 ks over the limit.
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08-03-2010, 09:15 AM | #92 | |||
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i personally wouldn't have an issue with red light/speed camera's on every major intersection. i'm sure there are many who think they can think up a multitude of scenario's where that wouldn't work but the fact is, whenever you approach an intersection, you should be expecting it to change and be 'covering' your brake. if you have someone up your tail, its still better to pull up a car length over the line than risk going through. its a sensitive topic because often its a split second judgement call but thats all part of the privilege of driving on the road. you should be aware of your vehicles capabilities and drive accordingly. as much as we all accept the govt is barking up the wrong tree, they will continue to do so while mindless acts of stupidity happen on our roads. |
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08-03-2010, 10:25 AM | #93 | |||
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Some very good points there. Anyone from Brisbane will probably remember the old Centenary Hwy/Southwest Freeway, a highway that was 4 lanes in places but had a roundabout at each end. Every morning and every afternoon that place became a car park. Yes roundabouts may be better from the aspect of preventing morons that can't drive safely from bumping into each other but it is deficient from a traffic flow point of view. There is nothing wrong with traffic lights, once people realise that green means "proceed through the intersection if safe to do so", not "quick mail it before it turns yellow". I too see no problem with speed/red light cameras on every major set of lights and black spot smaller intersections. If you have to accelerate to make it through on the yellow, considering your vehicle can decelerate faster than it can accelerate, you could have stopped.
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08-03-2010, 10:47 AM | #94 | |||
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Unfortunately the moron right behind you in the giant 4WD or crap drum braked holden or falcon can't stop as quickly as you and may run you over. I have several memories of clouds of blue smoke drifting over my car after a long squeal only to look in the rear view and see something crossed up about 5mm behind me and have been hit once. Sometimes it is actually safer to accelerate to avoid those behind you as well as those in the cross streets. Very few things are black and white........ |
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08-03-2010, 11:06 AM | #95 | |||
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Agreed, as someone who tows a heavy trailer behind a 4wd everyday, I have experienced quite a few close calls where the person in front of me has all but locked up the brakes when seeing an amber light where most people would go through. My wish is they learn the error of their ways by doing this in front of a truck instead of me. : |
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08-03-2010, 12:44 PM | #96 | |||
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If people can't get used to this idea, then what are we to do? The only thing that could then be considered is to drop the speed limit through all intersections at traffic lights to 40 km/h and force people to back off the gas and travel at a speed that they can stop in an emergency if they need to. I know I do not want that and would prefer that we improve driver attitude rather than legislate according to the minority with crap driver attitudes. Accelerating through a yellow, is never a safe option, it may be the lesser of two evils but it is never a safe option. I have seen too many examples of where it has gone wrong. My suggestion is a increased enforcement effort on tail gating, yellow lights and keeping left along with a nationwide publicity campaign on these issues. I believe that will make headway into reducing some of the accidents that I attend, more than people sitting 5 km over the limit. Then maybe we will see a further decrease in road crashes and I can get more time on shift to do some education with my student or watch some really good DVD's.
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08-03-2010, 12:50 PM | #97 | |||
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What if that person threw out the anchor because a child walked out between two cars, or a pedestrian saw the yellow light, assumed the cars would stop and started to cross. Does that car in front still have to consider your braking distance? No they don't. That is also black and white.
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08-03-2010, 01:05 PM | #98 | |||
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Geko you making out as though an incident took place or i would not be ready for one, this is not the case. I have never hit another car and always pull up in time. (touch wood) This however does not excuse someone from using the amber light as a brake test for their vehicle when they are close to entering the intersection doing 80kph. I also ride motorbikes which brake much better than cars, if i was to use the same technique my life expectancy would be in weeks not years. |
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08-03-2010, 01:30 PM | #99 | |||
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Granted, but the mention of "close call" means too close. My point is, and the point of any driving instructor is, that any intersection that you approach, if you have to accelerate to make it through on a yellow, you could have safely stopped. That is the way the police look at it and with the timing of the lights there is no need to accelerate through, doing so is unsafe. This subject has really been done to death in previous threads, there really is not point in discussion. I have my view that is based on numerous course in heavy and emergency vehicle operation, as well as 6 years experience cleaning up the mess of unsafe vehicle use. No scenario anyone throws at me will convince me that running up the back of someone is ever the fault of the person in front, the laws sees it this way too. That is black and white, there is no other way to consider it.
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08-03-2010, 01:41 PM | #100 | ||
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Argue all you want, we shall have to disagree. Being punted through an intersection by a truck must make one feel better (by consolation) if they know they're in the right.
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08-03-2010, 01:49 PM | #101 | |||
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worrying about people too close behind you while approaching an intersection is one thing, but what about the person waiting to turn right accross the intersection. it is legal for these people to wait in the intersection and when the lights turn orange, they must then wait to make sure everyone stops. often the light goes orange and they assume it is then safe to turn, not knowing that the approaching car is looking in his rear view mirror and deciding to continue through. it isn't a perfect world. all we can do as individuals is make sure we are doing the right thing. |
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08-03-2010, 01:50 PM | #102 | |||
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Hence, my argument that the best management for traffic light safety is not to allow or support people accelerating through as it is never a safe option. The best method is to promote safe driving habits such as using due care and attention through intersections and safe following distances. I am pretty sure you will agree with that.
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08-03-2010, 01:58 PM | #103 | |||
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If you keep a safe distance and some idiot jumps in between, so what. Just slow down a tad, keep that safe distance and make sure you get home safe. Better to lose 20 seconds of your day than to be involved in a crash and lose the whole day, sustain an injury or even lose your life. I always laugh at the heavy vehicles with the advisory sign on the back stating the vehicle requires 100m to stop safely at 100 km/h and asks motorists to take this into account when overtaking. Yet that truck is following the car in front, allowing only 30m and traveling at 100 km/h :
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09-03-2010, 12:22 AM | #104 | |||
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09-03-2010, 08:30 AM | #105 | |||
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Over 90% of pedestrian deaths were caused whilst walking, so using this way of thinking, they should ban walking as it contributes to pedestrian death Over 90% of cyclist fatalities occured whilst riding a bike, so ban bike riding. TAC/RTA/Government will alway have 'speed kills' as their scape goat. Simple fact that we all know.
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09-03-2010, 09:03 AM | #106 | ||
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And 100% of motorist deaths occurred in cars, busses, truck and motorbikes, so ban them too
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09-03-2010, 02:59 PM | #107 | ||
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Anthony Crawford has just earned a place on my "Most Inteligent" list...
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10-03-2010, 01:38 PM | #108 | ||||
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If most people looked 3 or 4 cars ahead instead of the one directly in front most nose to tail crashes wouldn't happen. Quote:
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10-03-2010, 04:11 PM | #109 | |||
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I think the big issue here is the driver has no way of knowing when the lights are going to change, i think if they could put a 10 sec led clock that counted down with before the light changed to red would avoid alot of these spit second desicions. |
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10-03-2010, 04:11 PM | #110 | |||
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You can not effectively see all hazards that may eventuate in city/urban traffic by looking 50 m ahead and through 3-4 other cars, you need clear space to allow effective, safe and controlled braking. Also by looking ahead and identifying the accident, you can not predict with 100% accuracy what the car in front of you will do, or the other three cars. You find one advanced driver trainer that disagrees with this, good luck. For anyone that disagrees with this, answer this. If you are driving along and have to stop quickly, causing another car to rear end you and write off your car. Do you get out and give the driver a hug, tell him its all cool and explain how it is acceptable to be driving too close? According to some of the comments here, you should. Although you are right motorists should correctly scan ahead in order to identify hazards earlier rather than drive at the end of their bonnet.
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10-03-2010, 04:12 PM | #111 | |||
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10-03-2010, 04:33 PM | #112 | |||
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What i cannot understand though, is the huge amount of effort some people will go to to try and explain away why they cannot conform to simple good practice, surely if this effort was directed to a better safer attitude things would be a lot safer for everyone on our roads....
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10-03-2010, 04:46 PM | #113 | |||
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10-03-2010, 04:55 PM | #114 | |||
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10-03-2010, 04:59 PM | #115 | ||
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the 2 second gap rule i totally agree with . only problem being that i had an accident obeying it . at 100kms an hour a 2 second rule in sydney means; 4 cars can get in between you and the car in front , breaking this down further means - atleast 2 high beam flashes , 3 horn beeps, , given the finger 4 times, lip reading the word FU**IN IDIOT atleast 8 times , smashing the brakes within 10 seconds to slow down to 60km/hr 100% of the time , locking up the brakes 5% of the time, and i nice rear ended at fault collision occasionally, with no witnesses but a few horn beeps , and i nice read of a thread about driving safely on the forums .
i conclude that people think they are better than they are at driving, 100% of the time, wether they are a good driver or a bad one , fully alert or tired. one thing is certian 100% of the time. The faster the speed the higher the risk . along with many other ratio related factors . like car condition , alcohol volume, curve agles, road surface, time of day etc etc etc. with the only constant, being people diregarding speeding as a factor in public . Last edited by gtfpv; 10-03-2010 at 05:04 PM. |
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10-03-2010, 05:15 PM | #116 | |||
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I hope (for people like GeckoGT, other paramedics and all the families involved) that there can be some serious inroads made to the reduction of the road toll. I do however beleive that driver attitudes contribute a lot to the road toll.
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12-03-2010, 12:29 PM | #117 | |||
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Interesting, the laws in the US for speeding aren't as bad as Australia but better cars is reducing the deaths over there. It could also be people drove less, next years figures will tell the real story.
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