Holden to make major announcement to staff today - Page 5

zipping · 19-06-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by XD 351 Ute

Mismanagement of some of our Australian businesses has a lot to answer for.
There are some that will be using the carbon tax as an excuse for shutting up shop in the near future.......

When in reality they couldn't run a chook raffle.

Ed

Funny Devereaux said this morning on ABC radio and I quote

”There is no question that a tax on electricity, in making it more expensive in input costs, makes it more difficult for me to make money building cars”

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nati...-1226666112317

The idea that some people have that you can put a cost on manufacturing that already struggles for competitiveness and it can absorb it with no consequences is perplexing.

stevz · 19-06-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Isnt that what you do as well?

How so? I may have a strong opinion but kindly show me exactly where I have made false statements or misrepresented facts?

stevz · 19-06-2013, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikked

Read that artical stevz, componant suppliers state that Fords local content was the greatest.

I wasn't disputing which maker had the most local content, I was disputing prydey's implication that the Cruze could not be classed as Australian made because it contains imported components, yet other cars which also contain imported components such as Falcon can......

Gobes32 · 19-06-2013, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GQ_Smooth

A manufacturing worker getting paid $65K-$85K per year is not why Australians aren't buying Falcons/Commodores.

Do I believe they are overpaid? (yes), do I believe paying them less will fix things? (no).

I am on 55k a year, and on the highest pay a production worker can be on. And forget overtime, we have not had it since Orion launch.

jpblue1000 · 19-06-2013, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

I am on 55k a year, and on the highest pay a production worker can be on. And forget overtime, we have not had it since Orion launch.

May I ask what other benefits you receive other than working for a great company!
I think as discussed the base rates are fair it would be interesting to know, from the horses mouth what other benefits the workers get. It might help clear up a misconception on this forum.

I will go jump if you say so...

JP

GQ_Smooth · 19-06-2013, 02:52 PM

The average automotive worker employed by Ford/Holden/Toyota (not through a sub hire) is on 55K PA++, most of the workers earn an extra 12K-15K in overtime (from my experience in the industry, which being honest stopped 6 years ago as a direct employee).

We should not expect production workers to earn below $26ph as a base rate on 38h week, they deserve that and it gives them room to improve and earn more based on performance and extra responsibility taken. However, RDO's need to be phased out (as unpopular as that statement will be, it plays havoc with productivity, I understand it's nice for the worker, but if the business can afford 10% of their staff being off any given day of the month, then they can afford to cut 10% of employees).

On another note, management need to stop the B/S to staff about quality issues in production, when design faults aren't rectified for up to 18 months, hurting consumer confidence and lowering sales, jeopardizing future sales.

flappist · 19-06-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

I am on 55k a year, and on the highest pay a production worker can be on. And forget overtime, we have not had it since Orion launch.

Does that $55k include your 9% super and workers comp etc?

Gobes32 · 19-06-2013, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Does that $55k include your 9% super and workers comp etc?

No, and I can see what you are getting at.........

I originally replied to clear the silly misconception that we are all on 100k a year.

Gobes32 · 19-06-2013, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jpblue1000

May I ask what other benefits you receive other than working for a great company!
I think as discussed the base rates are fair it would be interesting to know, from the horses mouth what other benefits the workers get. It might help clear up a misconception on this forum.

I will go jump if you say so...

JP

Same as anywhere else, 10 sick days per annum, 4 weeks leave and 12 rdo a year, however we work a 40 hour week and paid 38 so that is where they come from.

jpblue1000 · 19-06-2013, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Same as anywhere else, 10 sick days per annum, 4 weeks leave and 12 rdo a year, however we work a 40 hour week and paid 38 so that is where they come from.

Thanks for the info, Im certainly not trying to gather information to have a go, Ive been out of the country for the best part of the last 7 years so I have some catching up to do.

Do your RDO's have a leave loading, holiday lave loading, do you get uniform, shoes, cleaning allowances, discounts on Car purchases, meal allowances etc.

JP

KIWI-1 · 19-06-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapid_Axe

Isn't half the work done by robots anyway?

I was staggered last night on the ABC I think, to see how little automation is used in the component industry:
Manually removing what looked like centre consoles from the injection moulding machine;
Manually removing heat shields from the moulding machine;
Manually assembling a gear lever, gaiter etc.
I'm sure China would use robots?

It made me wonder how different things would be if the Billions given to the manufacturers was used to improve efficiency and lower costs in the component industry.

Franco Cozzo · 19-06-2013, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

I am on 55k a year, and on the highest pay a production worker can be on. And forget overtime, we have not had it since Orion launch.

Thats more than us as auto electricians, whats that work out to an hour?

We had the option of RDO but we took 1pm finish every Friday.

KIWI-1 · 19-06-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Same as anywhere else, 10 sick days per annum, 4 weeks leave and 12 rdo a year, however we work a 40 hour week and paid 38 so that is where they come from.

No subsidised cars? No discount on parts? No superannuation?

mickbundy · 19-06-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Does that $55k include your 9% super and workers comp etc?

What the hell does workers comp have to do with it ? it is only of value if you are hurt and you still only get the same wage at the end of the week.

fte50 · 19-06-2013, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

all holden steel comes from "one steel", period.

Far from it ...period
As I said they source their steel from China & other Asian suppliers. Bluescope was also a supplier who's volume was drastically reduced in preference for cheaper Asian steel.. which Bluescope lodged an appeal to challenge http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/re...MHoldenLtd.pdf

Gobes32 · 19-06-2013, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KIWI-1

No subsidised cars? No discount on parts? No superannuation?

We do get a discount, but need to be careful what info I give out as you all may appreciate.

We are well looked after make no mistake, but the BS I keep hearing about astronomical wages is crap. We are on average wages and it all means diddly anyway because we are going to close down irregardless.

burnz · 19-06-2013, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Not true.

Suggest you findout how much Korean and Japanese steel they use.

one steel "fact"

burnz · 19-06-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fte50

Far from it ...period
As I said they source their steel from China & other Asian suppliers. Bluescope was also a supplier who's volume was drastically reduced in preference for cheaper Asian steel.. which Bluescope lodged an appeal to challenge http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/re...MHoldenLtd.pdf

what a load of crock, zinc steel

robot welders will have fun..
get real holden zinc dip a completed car.

holden changed fron blue scope to one steel, the owners of all steel made in this country

Gobes32 · 19-06-2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by fte50

Far from it ...period
As I said they source their steel from China & other Asian suppliers. Bluescope was also a supplier who's volume was drastically reduced in preference for cheaper Asian steel.. which Bluescope lodged an appeal to challenge http://www.customs.gov.au/webdata/re...MHoldenLtd.pdf

Just another example of the asian nations screwing us all over..........

jpblue1000 · 19-06-2013, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

We do get a discount, but need to be careful what info I give out as you all may appreciate.

We are well looked after make no mistake, but the BS I keep hearing about astronomical wages is crap. We are on average wages and it all means diddly anyway because we are going to close down irregardless.

Thank you very much for your answer, I know these are troubling times for you and your family and of course colleagues.
Why I ask is to gather information before I form an opinion, It seems many already have an opinion, perhaps its made through their own personal investigations, through their own bias or a indignant sense of how do they get that much when I only get that much, I'm better than them jealousy...I don't know
You can see why asking someones wage is such Taboo in our culture, we feel we have to protect our pride or something, when in reality we should share, be open and transparent to join forces against the system, a system designed to keep us down.
Personal, social and national politics is the scourge of our society.
Again thanks for sharing and good luck

JP

jpblue1000 · 19-06-2013, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Just another example of the asian nations screwing us all over..........

Don't look at it like that, look at it as we screwing ourselves over with shortsighted hip pocket decisions, the 'opposition' the 'enemy' are just doing what we would be doing given half a chance, and we gave them that chance.

JP

**Fordman1** · 19-06-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

one steel "fact"

Nope.

So "One Steel" are a trading house for Asian steel mills ?

There is no local steel supplier capable of supplying "skin" steels.

You sir are incorrect !

Keep saying "fact" as long as you like.

burnz · 19-06-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

Nope.

So "One Steel" are a trading house for Asian steel mills ?

There is no local steel supplier capable of supplying "skin" steels.

You sir are incorrect !

Keep saying "fact" as long as you like.

dribble!

**Fordman1** · 19-06-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

dribble!

And your facts are from where ?

Mr Dribble ?

**DJR-351** · 19-06-2013, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Just another example of the asian nations screwing us all over..........

The only ones screwing over Australia is Australians...........

KIWI-1 · 19-06-2013, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

We do get a discount, but need to be careful what info I give out as you all may appreciate.

I understand and accept your need for confidentiality, but I don't have that restriction...

About 3 years ago I worked with a women whose son worked at Ford. Mum who worked in the school system and NOTHING to do with Ford, drove a fully maintained, top of the line Falcon for which she paid diddly squat - one of two cars her son received as part of his remuneration.

Many year's ago, the father of a Ford co-worker was offered the option of early retirement from his senior position at Ford. Two cars for life anywhere in the world, free medical for life, and full pension.

When I worked at Ford, staff were driving fully maintained Lasers at (from memory) $7 a week.

You're not alone in quoting base salary only; next time you hear a nurse whinging about their wages, ask them about the $10k odd tax-free component, and their unlimited $$$ tax-free meal and entertainment card.

So back to the point made by others way back... anyone looking at labour costs as an input to the cost of manufacturing needs to be quoting the hourly rate paid to the workers + ALL on costs.

mr smith · 19-06-2013, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by flappist

Does that $55k include your 9% super and workers comp etc?

I understand what your saying but just out of interest.
No workers comp for Ford. Self insured.

http://www.worksafe.vic.gov.au/insur...-self-insurers

fte50 · 19-06-2013, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by burnz

what a load of crock, zinc steel

robot welders will have fun..
get real holden zinc dip a completed car.

holden changed fron blue scope to one steel, the owners of all steel made in this country

Its their in balck / white, ive seen the factories and we were briefed on this issue back in 2007/08 when the decision was made to use this suppliers steel in both foundry operations and sheet skins for car bodies (non coated) so don't tell me load of crock champ.

Iggle Piggle · 19-06-2013, 06:26 PM

Grab my popcorn and sit back to watch 'Steel Wars'

nstg8a · 19-06-2013, 06:26 PM

One steel doesn't mean its Aussie made, I've unloaded quite a few containers of steel rolls from Asian countries that were bound for one steel, and blue scope, amongst others...

With cruze I thought it was only the hanging panels that were stamped here, the main body panels are basically ckd?

Interesting topic though, at what stage is it Australian made, assembled or imported?