Holden on the verge of closing Australian plants

[pottery beige]

shows over for Aus vehicle manuf.. last one out turn off the lights...

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

shows over for Aus vehicle manuf.. last one out turn off the lights...

...cause the carbon tax is a ***** if you leave em on.

[Buntz]

Originally Posted by pottery beige

shows over for Aus vehicle manuf.. last one out turn off the lights...

If the nation never wanted it, it doesn't deserve it.

[Resurrection]

What will happen to this nation once manufacturing has gone?

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What will happen to this nation once manufacturing has gone?

Oblivion.

[Pedro]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What will happen to this nation once manufacturing has gone?

Manufacturing went with the "Button Plan".

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Manufacturing went with the "Button Plan".

+1, most have taken 25 years to accept it - some will take another 25 years.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by Pedro

Manufacturing went with the "Button Plan".

Manufacturing, from developed western countries into the 'third developing world' was a planned outcome of the "1976 Lima Agreement".

Championed by Gough domestically, signed off by Andrew Peacock once Fraser gained power. Anything domestically like the Button Plan after that, mostly attempted to slow-down that offshoring effect, as do items like tarrifs-later free trade to flatten the playing field with what were 'developing countries'. Gough was only a minor player, as most then advanced European countries and the US and GB contracted the Agreement and powers that be withing controlled it all.

These docs are in Canberra, online at the UN etc.

[CyberWasp]

Can I ask a dumb question.
Why did we lose our manufacturing industries when the USA and UK ect didn't?
We are really really stupid.

[XWGT]

Great article in The Age today titled "Holden On" I can't link it as its in the app

The article shows just how efficient current Holden manufacturing is (roof lining goes in in under 60'secomds! ) and engineers talk about how please they are with the production line.

Interestingly as the article states No car sells enough in this country to be locally manufactured anymore. So it's not a case of inefficient manufacturers its a case of economies of scale that simply can't be defeated.

Sad but true

[MethodX]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Can I ask a dumb question.
Why did we lose our manufacturing industries when the USA and UK ect didn't?
We are really really stupid.

The uk did, they dont own any of it anymore.

[Keepleft]

Originally Posted by CyberWasp

Can I ask a dumb question.
Why did we lose our manufacturing industries when the USA and UK ect didn't?
We are really really stupid.

See the post directly above your own. ALL western countries have esp the US, by design.

You may be right about the stupid bit. (A dig at some politicians over the last 4 decades). If memory serves, at some stage in time, GB had some 28 locally owned car manufacturers.

July 9, 2013-

On Friday, we learned that the U.S. economy added "195,000 jobs" last month. But when you look deeper at the numbers, another story emerges. Last month, the U.S. economy actually lost 240,000 full-time jobs. Overall, the U.S. economy has only added 130,000 full-time jobs in 2013, but it takes about 90,000 full-time jobs a month just to keep up with population growth. So we are losing quite a bit of ground as far as full-time jobs are concerned. Meanwhile, the U.S. economy has added more than 500,000 part-time jobs so far this year. Unfortunately, there are very, very few part-time and temp jobs that can be considered "breadwinner jobs".

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by XWGT

Interestingly as the article states No car sells enough in this country to be locally manufactured anymore. So it's not a case of inefficient manufacturers its a case of economies of scale that simply can't be defeated.

Sad but true

This is the cold hard truth. I think Ford management clued onto this in the lead up to FG. I think their approach towards Falcon post BF wasn't half a$$3d or incompetent (ok maybe a little poorly thought out) they just realized that the end was inevitable, the economies of scale just aren't there and large sedans just aren't selling enough O/S to justify the cost of an export program.

[Keepleft]

By design Leadfoot81/XYGT.- Directly owing items like Lima ^.

Interestingly as the article states No car sells enough in this country to be locally manufactured anymore. So it's not a case of inefficient manufacturers its a case of economies of scale that simply can't be defeated.

Being highly 'efficient' - will see you squashed still; *not* Ford/Holdens 'fault' of course, since the game was set globally-politically decades ago, again only to the then in time - advanced western manufacturing nations; GB/ D/ USA/ F/ JAP (sent manufacturing OS to survive its HQ's)
Domestically - in politics since, survival battles, wage industrial agreements (the Holden one is insane). SA GovCo - more of the same, and must 'fight' to appear to be doing something.

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

By design Leadfoot81/XYGT.- Directly owing items like Lima ^.


Being highly 'efficient' - will see you squashed still; *not* Ford/Holdens 'fault' of course, since the game was set globally-politically decades ago, again only to the then in time - advanced western manufacturing nations; GB/ D/ USA/ F/ JAP (sent manufacturing OS to survive its HQ's)
Domestically - in politics since, survival battles, wage industrial agreements (the Holden one is insane). SA GovCo - more of the same, and must 'fight' to appear to be doing something.

Yes, by design. Ford Oz didn't stumble upon an inconvenient truth, they realized the game had run it's course. And instead of BS-ing their way through it and being difficult about it like GM/Holden, they were open and honest about the situation (ceasing manufacturing in Oz)

[KIWI-1]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

If memory serves, at some stage in time, GB had some 28 locally owned car manufacturers.

British Leyland almost make 28 on their own:
Jaguar, Rover, Land Rover, Morris, Austin, Riley, MG, Leyland Truck & Bus, Nuffield, Coventry, Climax, Alvis, Aveling-Barford, Triumph, DAF, Wolseley, Standard, Vanden Plas, Healey, Daimler...

"How billions failed to fix UK's car industry" is worth a read:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS....uk/index.html

[LeadFoot81]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

British Leyland almost make 28 on their own:
Jaguar, Rover, Land Rover, Morris, Austin, Riley, MG, Leyland Truck & Bus, Nuffield, Coventry, Climax, Alvis, Aveling-Barford, Triumph, DAF, Wolseley, Standard, Vanden Plas, Healey, Daimler...

"How billions failed to fix UK's car industry" is worth a read:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS....uk/index.html

Great article KIWI-1, and very ominous in our current climate. :(

[mik]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

What will happen to this nation once manufacturing has gone?

Current national forecast ............... uncertainty/instability/ongoing recession?

[P6LTD351]

Originally Posted by LeadFoot81

Yes, by design. Ford Oz didn't stumble upon an inconvenient truth, they realized the game had run it's course. And instead of BS-ing their way through it and being difficult about it like GM/Holden, they were open and honest about the situation (ceasing manufacturing in Oz)

Post of the century.

This is exactly what is happening.

[Trump]

Originally Posted by Keepleft

Manufacturing, from developed western countries into the 'third developing world' was a planned outcome of the "1976 Lima Agreement".

Championed by Gough domestically, signed off by Andrew Peacock once Fraser gained power. Anything domestically like the Button Plan after that, mostly attempted to slow-down that offshoring effect, as do items like tarrifs-later free trade to flatten the playing field with what were 'developing countries'. Gough was only a minor player, as most then advanced European countries and the US and GB contracted the Agreement and powers that be withing controlled it all.

These docs are in Canberra, online at the UN etc.

I'm in the middle of looking for anything online about this Lima Agreement and have so far not found anything of any substance. Do you have any links?

Edit: never mind, found this:

http://www.unido.org/fileadmin/user_..._26.3.1975.PDF

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

And those workers are playing a very dangerous game, one of which they will not win!

Well when you're in that situation there really is no "win" regardless.

If you're going to go out, you might as well as go out with a bang lol.

[Struggo]

Originally Posted by KIWI-1

British Leyland almost make 28 on their own:
Jaguar, Rover, Land Rover, Morris, Austin, Riley, MG, Leyland Truck & Bus, Nuffield, Coventry, Climax, Alvis, Aveling-Barford, Triumph, DAF, Wolseley, Standard, Vanden Plas, Healey, Daimler...

"How billions failed to fix UK's car industry" is worth a read:
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/BUSINESS....uk/index.html

Check out http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lPnKJUu...%3DlPnKJUu07rE

[Resurrection]

Originally Posted by mik

Current national forecast ............... uncertainty/instability/ongoing recession?

Or we should just build houses and keep flipping them at each other at ever increasing prices. That is a guaranteed way to increase our wealth. Just make sure you are not left holding the (debt) parcel when the music stops.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Or we should just build houses and keep flipping them at each other at ever increasing prices. That is a guaranteed way to increase our wealth. Just make sure you are not left holding the (debt) parcel when the music stops.

This music of which you write, why does an image of a scratched record appear?

[mik]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

I'm in the middle of looking for anything online about this Lima Agreement and have so far not found anything of any substance. Do you have any links?

Edit: never mind, found this:

http://www.unido.org/fileadmin/user_..._26.3.1975.PDF

if you want to know how we got to this stage, my take on it is this..........
a bunch of idealistic and gullible Australian politicians over the years have signed us off..........yes you, me and the whole of Australia to various agreements with ............... (UN)United nations, Gatt/WTO,NWO, kyoto, and a few more i can't recall.
the beauty of these agreements for politicians is the voters are basically trusting of politicians to inform the voter of what will happen with these agreements(hey they are the government right !),
of course the truth is the absolute opposite,
and as long as the majority of joe average's keep struggling along with his little pay packet and paying of his mortgage buying his cheap import in his own little part of world basically he don"t care what the hell a bunch of suits are doing !, hell it doesn't effect him ................. at the moment !
if you look at some of the kyoto agreement, we have to bring Australia's carbon foot print down to 1995 levels !
to me this is absolutely scary, does any one think this is a minor under taking?
to me this means basically sacrificing a huge part of the country's industry among other things, standard of living? i won't throw stones and tell who signed us up to that one, you can look it up .
if you take into account the many other things politicians have signed off on , basically it means they are killing off Australia's manufacturing and self sufficiency.
i refer to Pottery's post............. the party's over last man turn the lights out...........

Edit : one last thing, i don't know if our pollies decisions had were guided by this , but you might find it interesting.
look up ........ Illusion of Australian Government , the first title in the google search will do.