The dangerous side of mobile speed cameras - rant. - Page 5

BENT_8 · 31-07-2006, 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by T_Terror

Are some of you for real?

If there is MORE chance for people to get demerit points and most offences carry HIGHER demerit point losses then wouldnt it be proportional to increase the number of demerit points allowed or at least reset them at 1 year instead of 3?

How can anyone here say it is a good thing that drivers can loose their licences more easily now?

AHHH last time i checked you have to repeatedly break the law to lose your liscence, unless

A-you do something wayout there and have it taken away regardless of points( which means you proberbly shouldn't be on the road anyway)

B-you dont pay your fines ( and if you have fines already you should have learnt your lesson by now)

I think the words REPEATEDLY BREAK THE LAW to describe the reason people are asking for extra points sums it up perfectly.

BENT_8 · 31-07-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by David See

T_Terror:

EXACTLY!

At least someone else here has a brain!

We have had this points system for YEARS but the odds for getting caught and losing our licences are increasing tenfold every year.

3 years is a bloody long time waiting for points to be reset.

And who chose 3 years and why? Who pulled that out of the hat??

Well perhaps if you PIS$ in your boots and swim for 3 years you will appreciate your liscence more and OBEY EVERY RULE ALL OF THE TIME.
Then you wont need extra points

David See · 31-07-2006, 10:50 PM

WOW!!! Is there anywhere in this forum where I can start a thread complaining about the size of our domestic rubbish bins in the Wyong Shire?

:-)

David See · 31-07-2006, 10:52 PM

BENT_8:

I better start drinking a lot of fluids then tonight as I am working in Forster tomorrow! :baby bott

I do VERY WELL at obeying all the rules all of the time, I feel. 1 speeding fine since 1981 ain't a bad record I feel!

BENT_8 · 31-07-2006, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by David See

WOW!!! Is there anywhere in this forum where I can start a thread complaining about the size of our domestic rubbish bins in the Wyong Shire?

:-)

Proberbly not!
But try your local council, i'm sure they should be able to help.

David See · 31-07-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Proberbly not!
But try your local council, i'm sure they should be able to help.

Bugger! I get such a great response here!!

GCFordChic · 31-07-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by David See

At least someone else here has a brain!

This really shows your character and maturity level.

Now you have overstepped the mark from ignorant and unappreciative of others opinions to just plain rude and insulting. I have been ridiculed, attacked and my opinion blasted, but being told that essentially i must be a half-wit for expressing an opinion unlike your own is downright degrading.

Im taking my brain to a thread with less intolerance. You have been unwilling to open your mind to the opposing opinions expressed here and yet you think you are the one that deserves proof that you are wrong.

I was interested in your opinion and read the article 'supporting' what you were saying, even though i began reading your thread and disagreed straight away. Im dissapointed, to say the least, i was hoping to be educated in this thread.

BENT_8 · 31-07-2006, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by David See

Bugger! I get such a great response here!!

I just hope, for some poor innocent person and your own family ,that you wont have to look back on this thread one day and finally admit, that whilst your opinion is noted, you have proven us right.

Some drivers only ever get to break the road rules once.

You should consider yourself lucky!

David See · 31-07-2006, 11:25 PM

GCFordChic, you obviously missed a very important post of mine, so here it is again:

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Originally Posted by David See

gbright, you have missed the point completely!

And needless to say, I, along with my associates, are far from being morons.

My original gripe (albeit mixed in with other ranting stuff) was that the hiding of MOBILE speed cameras can be quite dangerous SOMETIMES as the shock value of seeing that little blue sign hidden in the long grass (and I think the dissent that goes with it) can make people panic and hit the brakes, with the potential of causing an accident. Even when they ARE NOT speeding. It's human nature.

Sure. Fixed speed cameras FORCE people to slow down in school zones. Good idea I think. Except ALL of the zone is not covered. Whoops. Better get another priece of technology for that opportunity!

But kids STILL get hit, maimed and even killed.

My car is my office. I am in it everyday regularly driving 400km in that time. I am a safe driver and I abide by the rules even if I don't agree with them. Since 1981, I have been booked for speeding once. In a school zone. Doing 46km/h. With 1 minute to go until the school zone enforcement was over for the morning. Those are the things that p*** me off, but not as much as the "snakes in the grass".

I see first hand what irresponsible driving does to people. For nearly twenty years now I have seen and experienced people with their heads and faces torn apart or off, people burnt to a crisp so there was nothing left but their bones and glasses frames, and have witnessed the result of stupid P plate drivers who have jammed their girlfriends and mates into the side of an oncoming truck.

I am all for the opportunity to reduce the need to inform families of loved ones just killed or injured with their lives ruined.

I also appreciate the fact that we have warning signs for upcoming speed cameras and do agree that I cannot support those who are silly enough to get caught by one.

And in all that time spent on the road, clocking up millions of kilmometres for my job, there is no one on this planet that can convince me that, hiding a police car so no one sees it until it is too late is a safety measure. Hell, the deterrent doesn't even come in the mail for a couple of weeks. Imagine just how much more speeding could be done before then???

PLUS (and it is a big PLUS): There is nothing worse than a police officer degrading you after they have just pulled you over for breaking the law. It is embarrassing and sticks with you for a long time. Especially if it happens in front of a car full of friends. Now THAT, my friend, is a MUCH better deterrent! No one likes being embarrassed, belittled - especially when you cannot say anything in response. They just don't care.

I know there are differences of opinion. I respect everyone's views. All I see is that speed cameras have made the revenue raising job much, much easier. And imagine the joy on the faces of the revenue raisers when they realised Australia could get them! YIPPEEEEE! This WILL be easy!

Please, someone PROVE to me that speed cameras (perhaps I mean more the mobile ones) work in the best interest of the public and I will be happy.

Until I see the next bit of carnage.

I especially want to point out the bit that says:

"I know there are differences of opinion. I respect everyone's views."

Was kind of hoping that would add some weight to my maturity, but, you being the "learned one", obviously know everything!

SO sad to see you go!

David See · 31-07-2006, 11:32 PM

Bent_8:

I would say the chances of that happening are pretty slim considering I am such a safe driver and will continue to be one.

Why would I consider myself lucky? I am a safe and repsonsible driver.

Cheezus, guys, get a life!

Oh, by the way, the (attempt at) humour was inserted as someone previously quoted this thread as being "stupid" and yet it has gotten so much heated debate.

GCFordChic even inserted a wonderful picture of a dog chasing it's tail and, you know, I think that was the highlight!

BENT_8 · 31-07-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by David See

Bent_8:

I would say the chances of that happening are pretty slim considering I am such a safe driver and will continue to be one.

Why would I consider myself lucky? I am a safe and repsonsible driver.

Cheezus, guys, get a life!

Oh, by the way, the (attempt at) humour was inserted as someone previously quoted this thread as being "stupid" and yet it has gotten so much heated debate.

GCFordChic even inserted a wonderful picture of a dog chasing it's tail and, you know, I think that was the highlight!

Well if you are such a dilligent driver why would you need to support the call for more demerit points?
As i see it, if a copper parked behind a sign where he can't be seen and catches you on enough occasions to suspend your licence, then you really shouldn't be on the road.

Would you prefer cops to participate in high speed chases in order to catch a speeder?

Oh and btw you dont have to use humour to lighten up this thread, just stop talking ****

David See · 31-07-2006, 11:48 PM

Quick guys! More humour needed! BENT_8 is getting all PENT_UP!

The cops on The Central Coast do, in fact, chase speeders! Go figure!

Hey, while you're thinking up some more good humour, give the HWP office at Gosford a call and let them know what you think about their high speed pursuit antics.

I am sure, like all of us, they WILL listen.

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GCFordChic · 31-07-2006, 11:55 PM

PM Sent

David See · 31-07-2006, 11:58 PM

Yeah, as I replied:

Chill out!

Auslandau · 01-08-2006, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by GCFordChic

Here is a fact for you: 75% of law students agree that a citizenship test should be taken by people wishing to become citizens of Australia. The fact that i only talked about it with a group of friends the other day doesnt matter. they were all law students, they represent a proportion (be it very small) of law students so i can represent that statistic as a "Fact".

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Discussion going down hill but I will jump in for a bit!

BUT I was talking about an actual fact....as in truth. There are 100 cars over there, 30 of them are red, so 30% are red. That is a fact. Two factors taken into account. One you can see.......the other as you have said. Yes agree, have alook at the numbers and question them but also look at the resouces these numbers are taken from....way to lengthy digretion....anyways nuff from me on this subject as I think it will go round and round and I will end up in trouble and I think my speeling is getting worser

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BENT_8 · 01-08-2006, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by David See

Quick guys! More humour needed! BENT_8 is getting all PENT_UP!

The cops on The Central Coast do, in fact, chase speeders! Go figure!

Hey, while you're thinking up some more good humour, give the HWP office at Gosford a call and let them know what you think about their high speed pursuit antics.

I am sure, like all of us, they WILL listen.

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You obviously haven't seen the results of a police chase gone wrong!
Ask some of the SA boys about the young lady nurse who was nearly killed after being T-boned by a speeder being chased at Gepps Cross.

David See · 01-08-2006, 12:31 AM

Man, you need to READ my posts in a little more detail. I Didn't say I agreed with high speed chases. And I have seen the results when it has gone wrong. Close up.

I have also seen the results when they DIDN'T go wrong. Idiot arrested. Nice work.

Again, there are for's and against's!

By the way: there are more pursuits called off in this area than let continue. And that's a good thing because sometimes I am running late to get home and catch The Simpsons.

...whoops! Another attempt at humour.

David See · 01-08-2006, 12:37 AM

I think it is time we let this thread die a natural death.

Now, back to the Homer and that towel...

LTDHO · 01-08-2006, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by auslandau

Now I am scared!!!!!

Did you read back what you wrote? A fact is something that is true.....as a matter of fact. A fact cannot be destorted because it is a fact. How can you be wary of them.....

Yep I love statistics as they are facts and figures based on actual events. The only way they can be destorted or mis interpreted is by saying the opposite of what it is. "its a fact that this glass is 70% full......." Or you could say 'it is 30% empty'. Both are facts, same conclusion.......

Ha ha.. That's one of the funiest things I have read. Good stuff.

As if the government wouldn't 'modify' statistics to justify what they do!! [end sarcasm]

Auslandau · 01-08-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LTDHO

Ha ha.. That's one of the funiest things I have read. Good stuff.

As if the government wouldn't 'modify' statistics to justify what they do!! [end sarcasm]

Its the government road statistics which are very public viewing that are the basis of the argument that having speed cameras booking drivers going over by 3KMH isnt having an effect........that was the whole argument from the start. If they are modified to justify what they do then the statistics would paint a very different picture..........but on THIS ONE ONLY....they cant

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merlin · 01-08-2006, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Well perhaps if you PIS$ in your boots and swim for 3 years you will appreciate your liscence more and OBEY EVERY RULE ALL OF THE TIME.
Then you wont need extra points

Oh Plleeease...coming from the guy who admits doing 140km/h in the thread you started about trucks. Now your trying to lecture everyone about obeying all the rules 100% of the time, which somehow makes you a superior driver. Pot. Kettle. Black. :lookedat:

David See · 01-08-2006, 09:30 AM

BOY! We could start an entire FORUM on trucks speeding, couldn't we??!!!!??

It surprises me not that BENT_8 is "one of those" types.

And I am glad I started this thread as it shows the majority of people are dissatisfied with how the system is working (or NOT working).

[Tonko] · 01-08-2006, 03:37 PM

this thread has turned into the biggest sh|t fight, no one is making any new points, they are just trying get others to cave in, some people agree with speed cameras some dont, get used to it.... it dosent take 4 pages of the same people arguing the same points over and over again.... this is achieving nothing

David See · 01-08-2006, 03:42 PM

Yeah! Your post reflects just that: Another post without substance.

Read back a couple of posts and you will see I requested the thread be let go.

VSSII · 01-08-2006, 07:53 PM

So let me get this right.. You think a static speed camera parked on the side of the road is dangerous? Like.. It could cause an accident or something?

Casper · 01-08-2006, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by VSSII

So let me get this right.. You think a static speed camera parked on the side of the road is dangerous? Like.. It could cause an accident or something?

Seen it happen.

Driver goes past speed camera car and, at the last second, spots it. Slams on brakes which had the guy behind run straight up his ****. This then lead to the first car mounting the footpath and parking on a front lawn.

Too bad if someone was wheeling a pram on the footpath!

LTDHO · 01-08-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by VSSII

So let me get this right.. You think a static speed camera parked on the side of the road is dangerous? Like.. It could cause an accident or something?

They do.

I was going for a walk and i came accross a speed camera on the side of the road. So I watched.

There were alot of near misses, and tyres screeching in the 10 mins I stood there. Nonr of which if the camera wasn't there.

Cameras do two things only - They make money and cause caos.

T_Terror · 01-08-2006, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Seen it happen.

Driver goes past speed camera car and, at the last second, spots it. Slams on brakes which had the guy behind run straight up his ****. This then lead to the first car mounting the footpath and parking on a front lawn.

Too bad if someone was wheeling a pram on the footpath!

That happened to me today. I wasnt as alert as usual and spotted it late, didnt have time to check my speed so screw the guy behind me, im jamming my brakes!

I actually might enjoy getting rear ended in a situation like that.
Would enjoy suing the victorian government in court over this.
At the least im sure a successful case would force them to put up "WARNING SPEED CAMERA AHEAD" signs that actually would make people slow down.

gbright · 01-08-2006, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Seen it happen.

Driver goes past speed camera car and, at the last second, spots it. Slams on brakes which had the guy behind run straight up his ****. This then lead to the first car mounting the footpath and parking on a front lawn.

Too bad if someone was wheeling a pram on the footpath!

First if people wernt speeding then there would be no need to slam the brakes on it's not instinct if you know your in the clear so either what we have here is a bunch of driver's lacking in cofidence in their judgment in speed to maintain the speed limit scince the last time they looked at their speedo or we have liars who are saying they dont speed and their just arguing the merits of the case but then admit they "slam the brakes on" so witch is it (casper this is not aimed directly at you your post just contained the point i wanted to illistrate)
second daivd your last post a couple of pages ago the big one i liked the way you put your argument and i must say that it has won some respect back from me but stop arguing the extra demerit points thing it is idiotic

LTDHO · 02-08-2006, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by gbright

First if people wernt speeding then there would be no need to slam the brakes on it's not instinct if you know your in the clear so either what we have here is a bunch of driver's lacking in cofidence in their judgment in speed to maintain the speed limit scince the last time they looked at their speedo or we have liars who are saying they dont speed and their just arguing the merits of the case but then admit they "slam the brakes on" so witch is it (casper this is not aimed directly at you your post just contained the point i wanted to illistrate)

Are you serious?
The reason people 'slam on the brakes' is dur to them not wanting to be stung by the government, not due to their lack in confidence to maintain correct speed. In Australia the standard for the speedometer is 10% so most road users will speed without the gauge displaying this.