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It sounded a little bit tinnie to me but to be fair that could have been the settings, though at this price range I wouldn’t expect too much. Holden would be teaming with Bose for the name and I would expect it’s fitted with budget Bose speakers but without pulling one out or fine tuning it I don’t know. I would also guess you may have the basis of a good system and some amplification and such may reap rewards. When you get the demo crank it up and post your thoughts here. I have Harmon Kardon as a factory fit in two of my cars and the sound from them is fat and streets ahead. Maybe someone who’s experienced a VF Series 1 Redline could comment on the Bose system fitted to them. |
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Ive got an appointment at another dealer now that the one I was dealing with have been giving me the run around.. Reckon if im going to spend circa $55-60k on a car I can take my ipod cable and give it a bloody good listen. I'll post my findings once I go in on Saturday... Going to see if they have a demo I can have overnight to show the Minister of War and Finance.. Fingers crossed they do.. I, like you, wanted a ute but that got nibbed In the butt pretty quickly unfortunately... Cheers
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Good to hear from someone with a Redline... Looking forward to testing it on Saturday..
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From Motor December issue: SSV-R vs XR8
Manual SSV Redline LS3 0-100km/h - 5.27 0-400m 13.44 @ 174.4km/h 80-120km/h - 3.12 Auto XR8 0-100km/h - 5.17 0-400m 13.25 @ 178.4km/h 80-120km/h - 2.74 And in a separate article the new 400kw Clubsport auto: 0-100km/h - 4.59 0-400m 12.67 @ 183.0km/h 80-120km/h - 2.59 |
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The 0-100 is closer than I thought. The SSV must launch better but after about 70kph the XR8 will just start pulling away.
I like the front bar treatment on the VF2 SSVs, I've seen a few now and they look good. Noticeably louder too.
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The SSV was manual and the XR8 was auto, maybe the manual SSV has a better final drive ratio letting it launch harder.
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would be nice if they ran the same types of cars for once!
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I agree that they should run either both autos or both manuals.
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The manual vs manual would be interesting or Auto vs Auto. Interesting mix of ratios. The Manual SSV is a 3.7 and Auto XR8 is 2.73. Pretty big difference if you nail the launch though would have thought the XR8 auto would run a better quarter time. Also, not sure why the XR8 runs different final drive ratios to the GT... Maybe they made them "slower" to protect GT owners...
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It never seems to amazing me why time after time magazines try to manufacturer the outcome by not matching the gearboxes!!
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I read somewhere the manual SS is faster than the auto, probably why they went with the stick shift. Fastest Ford over the quarter would be the auto so comparing the two fastest of each camp.
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Aren't the auto SS Commodores de-tuned to produce less power than the manual versions though?
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I believe that was series 1 VF and VE's, LS3 has same power output both auto and manual.
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The Auto VE & VF I have cylinder deactivation, the manual does not.
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This was the case with VF series 1 due to the AFM I believe - manual's don't have AFM, no VF series 2 has AFM. |
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Nice times by the new VF SS, not far off the XR8 and the clubby chops the XR8
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here we go...
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Guess that's true. Good luck getting a manual XR8 from Ford for a test.
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Not sure how many press cars there are getting around, but if these are legitimately the last of each "mainstream" offering (ignoring pending sticker packs) it would be great to see someone do a comprehensive 3 day comparison that was something like...
Get an auto and a manual from both camps Mileage as similar as possible (does not have to be similar across the board, so long as both manuals have similar-ish kms, and both autos have similar kms) Refresh all consumables (tyres, pads, fluids, etc) with brand new OEM bits at the start of each day 4 drivers swapping between the 4 cars in each test, so the cars can be run head-to-head in same conditions while also smoothing any gains from cars suiting driving styles - each driver tests each car in each discipline multiple times Independent confirmation of stock factory tunes Day 1 go somewhere like Coota airport for multiple tests of the straight-line stuff like: 0 - 100 80 - 120 100 - 0 160 - 0 Standing Quarter Standing KM Day 2 refresh tyres, pads, fluids etc with OEM then start circuit testing at a tight circuit like Winton. Let them go at approx 20 second intervals so there is no gain from different conditions - all cars on track at the same time in same conditions but without tripping over each other. Again, each driver testing each car throughout the course of the day. Other than quickest lap time that can be achieved over the course of the day, include tests over 3 consecutive laps, over 5 consecutive laps, etc. Third and final day you refresh tyres, pads, fluids then repeat day 2 but at a fast flowing circuit like Phillip Island. Day 4 they refresh tyres and pads and then give at least one of them to me to keep (any of the 4 will do - maybe the one ticking the least). Few weeks later they publish then brace for accusations of bias, dodgey drivers and rigged test methods, and complaints of no dyno session. In addition to giving us Ford auto versus Holden auto and Ford manual versus Holden manual, it will also give us a good look at Ford auto versus Ford manual and Holden auto versus Holden manual in each test discipline. |
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Thank god! AFM lifters are complete rubbish
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The XR8 interior will get hammered by most and I'm happy to concede this. The performance times are the real issue here. And then comparing the results from another car (Clubsport) from a different day makes no sense. There are quick days at the track and there are slow ones depending on so many things. They need to be run together, back to back or as close as that as possible. Oh and the same gearbox in both!
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You think that Americans or Europeans don' have bias? Chev vs Ford anyone? Don't forget the HSVs are loved by Europeans. If they all still chose the Holden and or got the same times are they biased too? Getting a car of specific configurations isn't easy. Either there are none available at that time, or and it has happened someone will buy the car allocated so another is rushed in to replace it. I have a good friend who is the fleet manager for a car company and he tries to accommodate the journos where he can (they submit requests weeks/months in advance, advising them of the use too) but sometimes at the last minute that specification is not available. The magazines then have to run with it because changing track booking dates, photographers and other such resources isn't something than can be done in a days turnaround.
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I used to know someone quite close who advertised in certain automotive magazines and he explained to me the correlation between the reviews and the amount of money a company might spend on advertising packages for said magazine - they don't outright lie but there is a grey area where something can be shown in a favourable light.
It would be nice to believe in a world of honesty and transparency but that is a pipe dream unfortunately. If you decided to run a magazine and a manufacturer took out a years worth of advertising for say $250K would you make derogatory comments and advise people against buying their product knowing full well they wouldn't spend that much again next year? Or would you bend the truth slightly and focus on the good points in order to securing next years income? |
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