Are high rise vehicles safe in built up areas?

GET A LIFE ....... GET A 4WD .... GO ON GET OUT THERE ...
What is the point of your pretty boy shiny cars where do they take you ?
What is the point of all the kw's you have or don't have ?
Why lower a car so low you can no longer get over the speed bumps at the shop or when your car breaks down you cannot get it on a tilt tray ?
Why pass people on the highway doing 160 + kmh ? it don't look to smart most women think that guys a ****er
What is the pouint of 22 inch wheels on a car ?

[EDXR]

Originally Posted by newfordsareduds

why do you need a falcon xr ...... because it is your right to choose ..thats why!!!!

I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF 4WD VEHICLE BANNED!!!!!!!!!

All i am saying is that it has been proven time and time again that huge 4wd's with bullbars cause more damage in an accident than an average sedan.

I would hate to see them banned as this is a free country and everyone has the right to drive what ever they want.
It is also this free country that made me think that everyone was entitled to there own view on things.
I may not agree with you guys entirely but i respect your veiw point.

Originally Posted by Cris

Where is the evidence that soccer mums dont head up the beach, highcountry and so on once, twice or more a year. Because if they did not why wouldnt they be driving the family falcon, commodore wagon as they are a lot more nimmble, quicker, and easier to drive.

It is not ilegal to drive a 4wd offroad up steep hills, on the beach through mud holes and so on. What excuses are there for owning a vehecle at all in the city when there are trains and buses except maybe if your a tradie.

Maybe you should sell your falcon because when my daughter grows up she will want to drive a barrina like all young teenage girls drive. After all a barina can seat 5 and weighs less than half of a falcon.

Example of man kind. Designs a motor bike. Every year it gets faster and faster then people start coming off and dying. Instead of slowing it down they design the helmet.

We all talk crap in our lives some more than others. Talking about the gun in the wrong hand we live in a society that comes to conclusions through evidence before the gun is fired.

Conclusion. Exhuast fumes from every vehecle is killing us all but I love my 4wd.

they drive 4wd's because they can just like your wife or you drive your v8 or xr6 turbo to the school ...matter of choice and don't let anyone take that away . 4Wd's have made the media because of narrow minded people just like modified cars have .........

[CRUSHU F150]

Originally Posted by EDXR

I DO NOT WANT TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF 4WD VEHICLE BANNED!!!!!!!!!

All i am saying is that it has been proven time and time again that huge 4wd's with bullbars cause more damage in an accident than an average sedan.

I would hate to see them banned as this is a free country and everyone has the right to drive what ever they want.
It is also this free country that made me think that everyone was entitled to there own view on things.
I may not agree with you guys entirely but i respect your veiw point.

Is this a 4x4, bullbar or lifted 4x4 debate? or all 3?

if it is 4x4 debate, well, it has been said many times that there are not many cars that can seat 7, tow 2500 - 3500kg's, and occasionally go offroad.

if it is bullbar debate, as most accidents are rear enders, I don't see the importance, and as for pedestrians, well, if you walk in front of a car with a bullbar you are probably in a bit of strife, and if you walk in front of a 4x4, with or without a bullbar, the position of the front is going to be bad anyway.

if it is a lifted 4x4 debate, well we had all better sell anything we own that is modified from stock in any way, and holden & ford will stop making ss & xr's as well, as we all don't need modified (factory or aftermarket) cars.

I'll accept a special licence to drive my 4B, when you lot accept one due to power increase.

I'll stop driving my 4B in the city when you lot speed limit your cars to 110 kph.

I won't raise my suspension when yopu lot de-tune your engines to restrict 0-60 kph speed

I could go on but I hope its plain enough

Don't throw stones as you'll be standing right beside us in the line up to buy enviro friendly electro fuglies when everything gets banned

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by schmidty

Another thing that people seldom think about is this. Not everyone can afford to own a vehicle for every different activity they undertake in life! Not everyone has the money to do this so they see it as more economical to have something that does the lot My soon to be inlaws head away on the odd expedition. So they own a machine thats suitable for the task ( Turbo Diesel Cruiser $74k, Mods like winch, snorkel, bars, bigger wheels and tyres, diff locks, LR fuel tanks, suspension lift and upgrade = another 15-20k.) and is going to be reliable and safe in remote areas. You have custom built your machine to handle the extreme situations it may be faced with. After spending that kind of money on a 4wd it'd be rediculous to not drive it around becasue people are scared of being near them! Cars these days are worth too much and depreciate too fast to leave in the shed.
There are extremes in everything. One in 1000 4wds would be modified like that pic, and i bet for every "dangerously modified" 4wd thats on the road you could find a grosly unroadworthy car that presents just as much danger. If its engineered and modified in accordance to the laws, then why shouldnt it be on the road?!!! If its not, it should be pulled off the road!

1 other thing i forgot to add to this before that someone else reminded me of has to do with the versatility of these vehicles. They are in part marketed at the larger family, or the family who wants the flexibility to take extras along. From a safety point of view i would much rather have me precious family in something big and safe, than con the fruiterers econovan. There is no comparison in terms of saftey when u look at a large 4wd compared with any people mover you care to mention. When you start looking into the safer better quality people movers and compare prices and versatility you realise the only thing a van has going for it is they do better u turns!

Hmmm... So 290kW from the factory isn't dangerous :

It's all about the driver in the end.. You drive within legal limits and within your cars limits.

Since you all obviously watch A Current Affair too much...
When they showed clips about the cars wrapped around the telegraph poles and stuff... how many were large 4x4's??

When they had the episodes with illegal street racing and burnouts and stupid behaviours... Where there many, IF ANY large 4x4's in those clips...

Hmmm think not... Go pick on sumthin else... Start with your F6 Typhoon.. Thats a Death trap in itself :

You boys are copping a hammering at numerous other forums.. Fords already have a bad enough reputation

The mods should have deleted this poll before you became a pack of whinging, whining ИИИИИes

Quoted from another forum:
"its funny though that it was started by a territory driver. maybe he's ИИИИed now that his new suv isn't as quick as a falcon, and cant go offroad like a 'proper' 4wd "

[chunkz]

Originally Posted by stockel

This is possibly another argument altogether but...

Why would you need to increase the ride hieght that much??

1) approach/departure angles:
Surely the approach/departure angles aren't that bad on this 4wd from factory? (know nothing about toyotas). In my experience (Jackaroo, Pajero, range rover, defender etc) the factory approach and departure angles were suffiecent however this is obviously a piontless argument as it depends on the condition of the track you are on!

2) clearance:
At the end of the day aren't the diffs and axles etc still the same height off the deck as before the mods?

Also the probability of rollover would be hugely increased after the mods.

I think that unless I am missing something these huge height increases overall are more for look at me purposes than anything else (Happy to hear thoughts on this!)!
It would be interesting to hear some serious 4wd peoples (don't know how we qualify this lol!!) oppinion on this - I'M SURE I WILL!!!!

Well, you get bigger wheels right, and that lifts your diffs off a bit more...
but then your rubber is getting cut up by your guard and/or chassis (i learnt hard way)
thus you get susp lift, extended shackles .ect and give your wheels more clearance to flex... and then getting further out bush where you can have more fun...

Originally Posted by mustang

think about it for a second......why would u need a car that high in a city......do they feel that the streets of say melbourne are that bad that they need a big bad A$$ 4x4 to be safe..... not to mention that it prolly has illegal suspension hieghts.

mustang, some people cant afford to have a weekend car and a daily driver..
and face it 4x4 is a ИИИИ load more fun then driving on the roads, so that wins, and you little cry babies can continue to cry...
And aslong as you get it engineered, most dont have illegal hights...

And i feel 10x more safe in my fourby then i ever did in the EF, i have way better breaks, steering and like some one said more options in an emergency like fly up a gutter...

And for every one that said what about pedestrians, you guys have your fully sick lowered cars hit some one, snap their knees, head through the windshield...
so they are both as bad as each other

and LTDHO, i wanna see your vitara

Originally Posted by EDXR

I don't get the chance to "dart in front of them" as alot (not all!!!) seem to be tailgating me. :P

If anything i'm darting out of the way so they can fly past me.

I get more Falcons tailgating me with THOSE STUPID FAARKING FOG LIGHTS blazing!!! Than i do 4x4's...

You have to remeber this thread is about HIGH RISE 4x4's.. not your run of the mill off the showroom Cruiser or the likes... Dont get it mixed up..

As many normal car drivers and terrible drivers as there are bad 4x4 drivers...

People with this much money spent on thier modified 4x4's are usually very well trained by professional driving schools.. they know the limits of thier cars better than anyone does... and they dont wanna break stuff!! Coz it costs too damn much.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by chunkz

Well, you get bigger wheels right, and that lifts your diffs off a bit more...
but then your rubber is getting cut up by your guard and/or chassis (i learnt hard way)
thus you get susp lift, extended shackles .ect and give your wheels more clearance to flex... and then getting further out bush where you can have more fun...

aren't extended shackles illegal?

[South]

extended shackles are only illegal if they dont have a locking pin in use while on public roads.

[snypereb]

They are getting bigger its more dangerous!!!

[South]

Quick, someone call the RTA, snypereb has illegal sized rims/tyres on his vehicle... Thats extremely dangerous, our children are in danager...

snypereb Wrote

They are getting bigger its more dangerous!!!

As much as our 4WD's may get bigger etc, they are still legal and roadworthy. As these cars and sports cars cost a arm and a leg. None of us can afford not to be legal and risk getting our insurance cancelled in a claim.

When you lower you car and put on 19" wheels, do you clear it with your insurance ? So do we when we raise and put on 33" wheels. In the end as long as our cars all meet ADR rules and or are cleared by a engineer we all have the same right.

As much as 4WD's get sick of the abuse that we are more dangerous, the same applies to abuse High Performance cars receive for drag racing, loud steros or whatever.

Its all relavent , If a 4WD or a Ford hits a person I'm sure the 4WD will hurt more. But it is more likly that the ford will b etravelling faster so it will leave the same impression as the 4Wd. It;s all relavent.

Steve

[chunkz]

lets see right..
you guys spend 1000's doing up your falcon for what
to do the speed limit, waste fuel, and make yourself a little more deaf

Now, fourbys spend 1000's on making it look good, making it a bit louder, doing speed limit, and going further offroad.. i think its more worth it having a fourby, get to do more fun ИИИИ

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by South

extended shackles are only illegal if they dont have a locking pin in use while on public roads.

Ever seen anyone with the locking pins in !!!

[schmidty]

And how many blokes dropped in to participate in this "discussion" from outerlimits? ha.

please tell me how do i tow my tractor to the other side of brisbane to mow yards when i can only legally tow it behind a four wheel drive. do i need to buy a mack truck. how bout a special licence for any thing with more them 50 horse power. speed kills so those adds keep telling me.

www.outerlimits4x4.com

[schmidty]

knew outerlimits guys would be in to sort this out quick smart! ha.

bugger, my tractor is 4wd to, guess i won't be able to tow it next.

[Blue Oval Mopar Man]

This is , without a doubt , one of "THE " stupidist debates I have ever had the displeasure to watch !

Its personal choice ! Get over it and get a life ! The day we start banning things because a few insecure people dont like the big twuck, or some other insignificant paraniod group dont like powerfull cars , or some other anal retentive wowser crusaders dont like loud heavy metal or rock music , then we loose the freedom earlier generations of Australians died defending!

Sounds like too many in here might be closet Harold Scrubby supporters !

"HANDS OFF OUR RIGHT TO OWN AN INDIVIDUALISED PERSONNAL CHOICE OF MOTOR VEHICLES ", and lets have a BBQ and a few freindly beers while chewing the fat about how great it is to live in the free world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Outbackjack]

That sums it up blue oval man. but I still want these "anti anything that I dont like mob" to come out here and tell the locals how they shouldn't be driving 4 wheelers.... Next time they are on holiday out here, maybe they can make a point of confronting a few of them. I am sure they will be shocked to hear how iresponsible they have been all these years!! :

[red_hotxr6]

Does.nt it make sense that both the 4wd and the car that can do 190klms an hour can both survive safely in the steel jungle if they follow the road rules.The dept of transport (i presume) has sanctioned both type of vehicles to be on the road.

[Des]

Originally Posted by Blue Oval Mopar Man

This is , without a doubt , one of "THE " stupidist debates I have ever had the displeasure to watch !

Its personal choice ! Get over it and get a life ! The day we start banning things because a few insecure people dont like the big twuck, or some other insignificant paraniod group dont like powerfull cars , or some other anal retentive wowser crusaders dont like loud heavy metal or rock music , then we loose the freedom earlier generations of Australians died defending!

Sounds like too many in here might be closet Harold Scrubby supporters !

"HANDS OFF OUR RIGHT TO OWN AN INDIVIDUALISED PERSONNAL CHOICE OF MOTOR VEHICLES ", and lets have a BBQ and a few freindly beers while chewing the fat about how great it is to live in the free world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you, at last a decent post in this thread instead of "flame jobs" (tm). I think that you 4x4 enthusists will find that most people with a modified car will agree with you and not wish to see any legally modified vehicles banned.
I've been fortunate enough to own both a performance sedan and a large 4x4. I sold the 4x4 as I wasn't using it enough for it's intented purpose, it was a waste of a good vehicle, so I bought something I (and my family) could use more often. I drive past 5 or 6 schools most days on the way home and see idiot "soccor mums" driving all kinds of vehicles. It just that larger vehicles stand out more and therefore are easier for the mass media to flame (same as modified street cars).
Later,
Gibbo.

[fast66]

Please close this thread!!!!

Originally Posted by snypereb

They are getting bigger its more dangerous!!!

Road cars are getting more powerful...its more dangerous sleep: :

With the money we spend on our 4x4s... we can actually test out cars limit (outerlimits ) on a regular basis... whereas sports cars can bascally never test thier cars limits out legally...becuase it would require going to the track/strip which is a big inconvenience.

I'd much rather spend money on something that can be used often...

FordzSuk signing off :

[Kramer]

Originally Posted by 4DZSUK

Road cars are getting more powerful...its more dangerous sleep: :

With the money we spend on our 4x4s... we can actually test out cars limit (outerlimits ) on a regular basis... whereas sports cars can bascally never test thier cars limits out legally...becuase it would require going to the track/strip which is a big inconvenience.

I'd much rather spend money on something that can be used often...

FordzSuk signing off :

Here Here!
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[merlin]

Oh my - you all had to join up and make single posts because you are that insecure? FFS its a forum, people express their views get over it.

Originally Posted by South

Mrs Jones uses the patrol/cruiser/pajero because she feels safer in the bigger vehicle (I sure as hell would rather be in a 4wd in an accident than in a sedan!)

Exactly the type of incorrect garbage that makes people buy 4WD's - sorry you are no safer than anyone else - all you do is cause MORE damage to other people and other vehciles in a collision. Gee there is a lot of 4WD's out there better go buy a Mack truck to be safe - WTF? I'd rather buy a vehicle more dynamically capable of avoiding an accident in the first place.

I don't think they should be banned (as you said freedom of choice) I just think it is a dumbass choice :nutsycuck just like smoking is a choice, electrocuting yourself is a choice ect.