2010 Falcon/Territory (speculation) - Page 8

dannyhilton · 06-04-2010, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

I think Electric Power Assist Steering will be one of the big changes. Reduced weight and 2-3% lower consumption.

I'm not sure if the FGII will get this, but if we get an all new Falcon it'll definitely have it. My Fiesta has it, and while it looses some feel it's fantastic at lower speeds, so light and easy to work.

jpd80 · 06-04-2010, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

Well, there probably only a few options. But which one?!?!
DSI 6spd auto.
Ford 6spd auto.
Ford 6spd DSG/Twin Clutch (Eco-boost).
ZF 6spd auto.

My speculation is 6-speed auto across the board, Ford version for base and ZF for high series.
An ultra efficient version of the 4.0 I-6 that rivals the Holden 3.0 SIDI's fuel economy
Ford relaunches XT for fleets as R Series with Ute nose giving a newer fresher look.
R Series increases Falcon production 50% by winning back fleets with new fuel efficient I-6..

Brazen · 06-04-2010, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

My speculation is 6-speed auto across the board, Ford version for base and ZF for high series.
An ultra efficient version of the 4.0 I-6 that rivals the Holden 3.0 SIDI's fuel economy
Ford relaunches XT for fleets as R Series with Ute nose giving a newer fresher look.
R Series increases Falcon production 50% by winning back fleets with new fuel efficient I-6..

I have no idea about these product plans, but I have a feeling if they go with a 6 speeder across the range it will be the one offering, not both. I cant really see the marketing benefit of two different 6 speeds when all the consumer really notices is how many gears it has, I could be wrong but.

Really like the idea of an R-series, Ive always thought the XT name was really crappy, sounds like it should be a base model ute trim.

XR Martin · 06-04-2010, 04:03 PM

Not sure if they'll try and push an ultra efficient model when the Ecoboost is apparently only 12 months away?

R-Design · 06-04-2010, 04:05 PM

Here we go!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576FD00140C27

HSE2 · 06-04-2010, 04:13 PM

They still don't have it right.

I am happy about some aspects as it supports what I have said from the start in that all engines are blown with three specifications.

csv8 · 06-04-2010, 04:21 PM

Again !! Why No G8e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HSE2 · 06-04-2010, 04:24 PM

I know why there might not be one straight up, but that doesn't mean it might not happen down the line.

Bossxr8 · 06-04-2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Gobes32

Can't help but wonder if the Li LPG is being delayed due to transmission problems. Because if six speed is standard across the range that would set back product development due to them probably working on mating it to the 5 speed for who knows how long?

Also looking forward to seeing e gas Falcons pulling high 13's on the qtr mile...... ha ha
I remember when HSV were crowing about being in the 13's...........

To my knowledge the 5 speed auto was never going to be teamed with the Li LPG engine.

Bobman · 06-04-2010, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by dannyhilton

I'm not sure if the FGII will get this, but if we get an all new Falcon it'll definitely have it. My Fiesta has it, and while it looses some feel it's fantastic at lower speeds, so light and easy to work.

What happens if you need to push the car and turn a corner (break down, etc)? Is there still any mechanical link in your Fiesta?

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Originally Posted by Ford 2010 Falcon XR8 Article

XR8 Falcon ute powered by a supercharged 5.0-litre petrol V8 that delivers 315kW at 6500rpm.

Nice. That should finally put the XR8 in decent competition with the SS Commodores.

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Boss315

Here we go!

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mell...2576FD00140C27

So going by that they reckon there will be no V8's until September ?

I'm not convinced.

If that is true it measn Ford has failed to deliver on the two harder Euro iV projects by July 1.

LiLPG AND the V8.

HSE2 · 06-04-2010, 04:57 PM

In fairness, on the V8 front FPV have never said when their product will be ready to go. Everyone just assumed that it would be the 1st of July. We had a wait for the auto Boss as well.

Some people didn’t or don’t believe there is a SC engine at all so this news should be a net gain for them.

Brazen · 06-04-2010, 04:59 PM

Im surprised there wont be at least one naturally aspirated V8, I would of thought already having a turbo 6 meant they could appeal to wider range of buyers with a N/A performance alternative. Now it seems all performance engines will have forced induction.

jpd80 · 06-04-2010, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

So going by that they reckon there will be no V8's until September ?

I'm not convinced.

If that is true it measn Ford has failed to deliver on the two harder Euro iV projects by July 1.

LiLPG AND the V8.

I'm betting they will forward build the 5.4 Boss for July/August deliveries
as V8 production for two months would barely crack 400 vehicles..

All so Ford can clear the factory for July/August FG II I-6 and I-6 Turbo volume products.

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

I'm betting they will forward build the 5.4 Boss for July/August deliveries
as V8 production for two months would barely crack 400 vehicles..

All so Ford can clear the factory for July/August FG II I-6 and I-6 Turbo volume products.

So what does FPV do for 3 months ?

They can't build cars from July 1 until August / September ?

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Im surprised there wont be at least one naturally aspirated V8, I would of thought already having a turbo 6 meant they could appeal to wider range of buyers with a N/A performance alternative. Now it seems all performance engines will have forced induction.

Good question. I thought they would be all NA, but now I'd expect at least 1.

But having said that the XR8 sales are quite low.

Mmmmmmm.............

Maybe the XR8 WILL BE dropped and replaced by a GS ? Interesting to see....

g220ba · 06-04-2010, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

What happens if you need to push the car and turn a corner (break down, etc)? Is there still any mechanical link in your Fiesta?

The electric power steering set-up is essentially the same as the current except instead of the engine driving the power steering pump it's done via electric assistance meaning less drain on the engine. It's a set-up which has been used on plenty of cars over the last few years.

JutroXR8 · 06-04-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Brazen

Im surprised there wont be at least one naturally aspirated V8, I would of thought already having a turbo 6 meant they could appeal to wider range of buyers with a N/A performance alternative. Now it seems all performance engines will have forced induction.

You'd have 2 engines with similar out put and fuel efficiency. V8 N/A and I6T. No point if you ask me. It's one or the other. Plus having the XR8 (and possibly G8E in the future) with the V8 SC spreads the development costs over more vehicles. Plus eliminates the extra development cost required for having a NA V8.

jpd80 · 06-04-2010, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

So what does FPV do for 3 months ?

They can't build cars from July 1 until August / September ?

No, Ford builds the semi finished units for FPV but does 300 or 400 before July 1,
they have pre June 30 build plates and are progressively sent to FPV for fit out
up until about September, stuff like this isn't new to Ford....

We're only talking July and August at worst case, I've heard
there's a slight delay with the S/C V8, nothing major.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's a shortage of blocks and heads
given the +11,000 forward orders for Mustangs...

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

No, Ford builds the semi finished units for FPV but does 300 or 400 before July 1,
they have pre June 30 build plates and are progressively sent to FPV for fit out
up until about September, stuff like this isn't new to Ford....

We're only talking July and August at worst case, I've heard
there's a slight delay with the S/C V8, nothing major.
Wouldn't be surprised if it's a shortage of blocks and heads
given the +11,000 forward orders for Mustangs...

That won't happen...

They won't stockpile 400 FPV's without bumpers and steelwheels.

The numbers for the 5.4's are locked in. So any delay in the Coyote mean lost sales and lost production !

If you don't have the bits to keep building something you've told your suppliers you are finishing.... especially on long lead items, you're not going to be able to turn the switch and get those parts all of a sudden.

I'm betting the delay is insignificant. Otherwise this is serious....

jpd80 · 06-04-2010, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

That won't happen...

They won't stockpile 400 FPV's without bumpers and steelwheels.

The numbers for the 5.4's are locked in. So any delay in the Coyote mean lost sales and lost production !

If you don't have the bits to keep building something you've told your suppliers you are finishing.... especially on long lead items, you're not going to be able to turn the switch and get those parts all of a sudden.

I'm betting the delay is insignificant. Otherwise this is serious....

Depending on this month's sales of V8 Falcons it may be academic....
January and February have netted 117 V8 FPV sales and 161 XR8s so what's that,
about 140 V8's a month.....

vztrt · 06-04-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Depending on this month's sales of V8 Falcons it may be academic....
January and February have netted 117 V8 FPV sales and 161 XR8s so what's that,
about 140 V8's a month.....

It'll just be 140 units of high end falcons or workers utes instead.

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

It'll just be 140 units of high end falcons or workers utes instead.

But what does FPV do for two months ?

Like I said they won't stockpile 5.4's ...they can't.

FPV8U · 06-04-2010, 07:22 PM

Factory S/C V8 XR8 Goodness.. Ford are making this real hard to not want!

vztrt · 06-04-2010, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

But what does FPV do for two months ?

Like I said they won't stockpile 5.4's ...they can't.

Sale on F6's?

**Fordman1** · 06-04-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Sale on F6's?

They can't just increase F6 production by double, where do they get the Turbo's from ?

They are long lead items..

Who knows though, maybe they are on the phone organising freight

FPV8U · 06-04-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vztrt

Sale on F6's?

Get em sold while they can, 5.0L Coyote, will not be the end of the I6T following but it will influence sales.

Smoke Pursuit · 06-04-2010, 07:29 PM

They will have something worked.. no doubt.

**TUF_302** · 06-04-2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by FPV8U

Factory S/C V8 XR8 Goodness.. Ford are making this real hard to not want!

Hard!? Its almost freaking impossible!, how can you go past a Factory 5ltr with a Supercharger!!!

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vztrt · 06-04-2010, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Barraxr8

They can't just increase F6 production by double, where do they get the Turbo's from ?

They are long lead items..

Who knows though, maybe they are on the phone organising freight

Lower production then double, but they have a couple of months to plan ahead.