Malaysian Airways Flight 370

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by psychobimbo

And why was the aircraft taken to 45,000 feet?



Craig H

That would have to be its maximum ceiling? A nose dive from that height over 8,000m of ocean depth, would be probably one of the best ways to hide it. That kind of impact...gee, like hitting concrete.

I remember reading that it got that high, but unsure if it gradually went back to cruising altitude.

[cram_it_frog]

What I cannot understand is the entire area is a political nightmare so many different governments and borders why some one did not see the aircraft on there radar



Personally I feel some one knows something but is not telling for more than likely political reasons

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

That would have to be its maximum ceiling? A nose dive from that height over 8,000m of ocean depth, would be probably one of the best ways to hide it. That kind of impact...gee, like hitting concrete.

I remember reading that it got that high, but unsure if it gradually went back to cruising altitude.

Max ceiling is 43100'. Above that, depending on weight the aircraft is susceptible to extreme low speed and stall or overspeed, ie the window between the two speed situations is zero or both speed situations overlap.

[Falcman0o7]

Maybe it's in orbit?

[Geez Louise]

One thing that has me curious about this..if the plane was hijacked...why did no one on the plane make a phone call? When the planes were hijacked on 9/11, passengers on those planes called loved ones. Why were there no calls? No text messages? Nothing. No reception maybe?

It all just does not make sense.

Cheers
Col

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by Geez Louise

One thing that has me curious about this..if the plane was hijacked...why did no one on the plane make a phone call? When the planes were hijacked on 9/11, passengers on those planes called loved ones. Why were there no calls? No text messages? Nothing. No reception maybe?

It all just does not make sense.

Cheers
Col

True, you`d think this day and age there would have been 20 videos uploaded on youtube even before the plane was confirmed missing. Be pretty easy to stop someone not just using their device, but scrambling the single. Like that guy in the states who go sick of listening to other peoples mobile conversations on public transport, so he came up with a device that basically rendered them useless.

1. Maybe they didnt have the opportunity to for a number of reasons.

2. That could have something to do with the 20 Employee`s of that cloaking company.

3. Food and drinks were spiked.

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

True, you`d think this day and age there would have been 20 videos uploaded on youtube even before the plane was confirmed missing. Be pretty easy to stop someone not just using their device, but scrambling the single. Like that guy in the states who go sick of listening to other peoples mobile conversations on public transport, so he came up with a device that basically rendered them useless.

1. Maybe they didnt have the opportunity to for a number of reasons.

2. That could have something to do with the 20 Employee`s of that cloaking company.

3. Food and drinks were spiked.

1. Possibly correct for an instant, catastrophic event. The evidence suggests the event didn't happen instantly.

2. Possibly, but what range would such a device have? Would the pilot not have also encountered issues with their own comms? Power source? How could it have been concealed?

3. Doubt it. For that to happen it would have had to be done at the place that makes / packs the food. It takes probably an hr to serve a plane its meals. By the time they got half way, the first people would have started showing symptoms and they would have stopped serving. Besides, everybody process food differently, some lighter folk would be out in minutes, some heavy set people my just get a tummy upset.

The more we learn (or are told), the more questions we have....

[Road_Warrior]

Or because, you know, it was 2:30 in the morning and most people were asleep or trying to get to sleep. That makes things much easier for the hijacker/whoever and deal with those left who were awake and fiddling with their phones.

[CoupeKing]

If say it was a Pilot suicide, even without the help of others, how would the passengers know something was wrong by a change in direction? All the Pilot has to do is announce that he`s making a slight change in course to avoid an approaching storm, take it t 45k feet and nose dive. Doubt you`d be able to use a mobile under that g-force, and probably pass out.

[Geez Louise]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Or because, you know, it was 2:30 in the morning and most people were asleep or trying to get to sleep. That makes things much easier for the hijacker/whoever and deal with those left who were awake and fiddling with their phones.

I can understand your explaination, however the plane flew on for 5 or more hours. One hijacker could not have gotten around to everyone on that plane to collect all phones...so if the plane did fly on, the mobile phone signals must have been blocked but then how were there reports of phones ringing out?

I, like many others, are trying to work out how and what has happened. Hard to make a definitive decision with so much missing information.

Cheers
Col

[martyal44]

In 2001 how could you use a cell phone on a plane travelling at speed and height when they need a 'cell' sequnce of towers to pick up and send/receive a signal, I doubt you can do it now,even in 'plane' mode. unless you're Liam Neeson LOL.

[gtfpv]

nothing i've read has changed my opinion . structural failure , causing a pressure drop and pass out/death of all on board , plane climbs, till it literally cant climb anymore , stalls , auto pilot tries to fight errors in structure as best it can causing altitude and direction changes .
it's easy to believe this one . stage 2 though is what happened after this and who observed these changes ?and what action was taken if any at all .

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by martyal44

In 2001 how could you use a cell phone on a plane travelling at speed and height when they need a 'cell' sequence of towers to pick up and send/receive a signal, I doubt you can do it now, even in 'plane' mode. Unless you're Liam Neeson LOL.

There were reports of the plane flying low. There was quite a lot of land mass below the route. Phones are created differently; some will get a signal when others will show out of range.

I think it was also reported that this particular plane actually had an in built mobile booster (or something that allowed the use of phones). Not all that 'out there', as some carriers are trailing the use of mobiles by passengers I hear.

Plane mode.. well if that was active it is the opposite to what I think you understand it to be. Plane mode turns off any transmitter, meaning nothing in, and nothing out. If you are an Apple person, 'plane mode' essentially turns an iphone into an ipod.

As mentioned above, phones had been used on numerous occasions during a flight. Would just be the luck of the draw if you got a decent signal or not. I guess you could send a text that would keep trying to send every x minutes when the reception kicks in.

[FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

nothing i've read has changed my opinion . structural failure , causing a pressure drop and pass out/death of all on board , plane climbs, till it literally cant climb anymore , stalls , auto pilot tries to fight errors in structure as best it can causing altitude and direction changes .
it's easy to believe this one . stage 2 though is what happened after this and who observed these changes ?and what action was taken if any at all .

How do you explain the supposed 7 hours of further operations and the fact that the aircraft made significant and numerous changes in altitude and heading and that the aircraft was last tracked by satellite to the west of mainland Malaysia?

Surely, given the scenario you have put forward, the autopilot would bot have made such significant changes, at least without human intervention?

Craig H

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

nothing i've read has changed my opinion . structural failure , causing a pressure drop and pass out/death of all on board , plane climbs, till it literally cant climb anymore , stalls , auto pilot tries to fight errors in structure as best it can causing altitude and direction changes .
it's easy to believe this one . stage 2 though is what happened after this and who observed these changes ?and what action was taken if any at all .

Only thing is that the data reporting system was turned off, then 15 minutes later the transponder was shut down, both manually. Doubt even with the most unlikely electrical malfunction would cause the auto pilot to do that. Then again, who knows.

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

Only thing is that the data reporting system was turned off, then 15 minutes later the transponder was shut down, both manually. Doubt even with the most unlikely electrical malfunction would cause the auto pilot to do that. Then again, who knows.

and nobody knew this ? how long did that proposition ( oh sorry info ) take to get released ?

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by FPVS3

Max ceiling is 43100'. Above that, depending on weight the aircraft is susceptible to extreme low speed and stall or overspeed, ie the window between the two speed situations is zero or both speed situations overlap.

May I pick your brain again please?

Ok, autopilot is in control of the plain. Is it just like cruise control where the plane flies in a straight line or can it be programmed to do a bunch of turns this way and that?

My question is in regards to the gaining of altitude to 45k. If the plane was set to fly 'straight' as it goes further forward it will be gaining altitude as the curvature of the Earth comes into play.

Could this be a possibility? Or is a gradual decline of a few seconds factored into the forward movement of the plane so that it flies parallel to the surface automatically???

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

May I pick your brain again please?

Ok, autopilot is in control of the plain. Is it just like cruise control where the plane flies in a straight line or can it be programmed to do a bunch of turns this way and that?

My question is in regards to the gaining of altitude to 45k. If the plane was set to fly 'straight' as it goes further forward it will be gaining altitude as the curvature of the Earth comes into play.

Could this be a possibility? Or is a gradual decline of a few seconds factored into the forward movement of the plane so that it flies parallel to the surface automatically???

I think, and I may be wrong, but gravity would keep it at the same height.

[CoupeKing]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

and nobody knew this ? how long did that proposition ( oh sorry info ) take to get released ?

I watched them talking about it on Fox news last night. They had a speaker from some branch of the aviation industry, and another from an Intelligence agency. Interview was short.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ed-flying.html


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-26600361

[pottery beige]

Originally Posted by ltd

I think people need to pay a little more heed to Karlene Pettit.
I have heard from a reliable source that Malaysian Airlines received ACARS data after reporting lost communication, and they have issued a statement saying that they are not prepared to release it.

looking bang on the money bro

http://karlenepetitt.blogspot.com.au...speculate.html

[George1861]

From the Conspiracy Theory side of things http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...kes-false-flag

and http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines...-as-we-know-it

[FPVS3]

Originally Posted by Yellow_Festiva

May I pick your brain again please?

Ok, autopilot is in control of the plain. Is it just like cruise control where the plane flies in a straight line or can it be programmed to do a bunch of turns this way and that?

My question is in regards to the gaining of altitude to 45k. If the plane was set to fly 'straight' as it goes further forward it will be gaining altitude as the curvature of the Earth comes into play.

Could this be a possibility? Or is a gradual decline of a few seconds factored into the forward movement of the plane so that it flies parallel to the surface automatically???

The A/P would keep it at the same altitude if its left alone. Depending what's set on the altimeters. Curvature of the earth doesn't do anything. The altimeter is set to a barometric reference standard of 1013 hpa for cruise so actual height above the surface may vary a little as the aircraft moves from area to area and the actual pressure changes. To change altitude the flight management computer has to be programmed by a pilot and the aircraft be in a vertical nav mode or the pilot manually does it with more direct controls, in these cases the altimeter has to be set to the required different altitude. Or the pilots can simply disengage the A/P and manually raise or lower the nose and make the appropriate thrust change.

[Trump]

Fact or foil:

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russi...re-by-us-navy/

[Trump]

Edit: doppelposten

[XWGT]

FBI says they think the people and plane are intact
Apparently turning the ACARS system off completely is quite a job. It was "half" tuned off from the cockpit touch screen but to kill the actual auto ping you have to get below the cockpit and remove something. Hence why they got data for a few more hours they got the "ping" of the system trying to establish comms but with no data.
There were some very interesting passengers on the flight. Not much is being said expect they are Oxford and Cambridge grads and some tech heads.

This is looking like the heist of the century.

[csv8]

Okay..time to call in Mulder and Scully....this gets weirder by the day..hopefully the plane is found on the ground and passengers are okay..They will have to be fed wherever they are.
Answer will be intriguing...

[cheap]

Reports that the pilot was a "fanatic" and that his family had moved out the day before. Also, from the UK a report that a smartphone could plant malware which could then be used to take over a plane...

The conspiracy orgy feast continues and shows no bounds.

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

Fact or foil:

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russi...re-by-us-navy/

Far fetched but I wouldn't put it past the yanks.

[EASYBOSS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSumUKg72nI

[cram_it_frog]

I would love to see the final cost of this search it is going to be a massive figure and I wonder who will pay for this in the end

I am sure one of the people paying will be the australian tax payer

I am not saying we shoud search by know mean s we need to basically look under every rock and search as mush of the sea area till we can work this out

Maybe we need to work out a way where no one on a aircraft is able to switch off transponders or find a way for a secret transpobder that automaticaly switches on when the main ones are turned off

I am sure we have the technoligy to do so .