Falcon I6 to be dropped in favour of a V6

[bingoTE50]

If it they go for a v6 , and if the still have anything to do with Nissan, the Maxima v6 in 350z trim is a good motor. It has won many awards in the motoring world . 206kw plus from 3.5 litres would be ok for me .

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by b0son

I disagree. The BA feels like its working overtime throughout the rev range. Yes, it does have torque, but it doesnt feel like it has anywhere near what's quoted, and it certainly doesnt deliver it effortlessly. If it could talk, it would say "here's your 190kW... just give me a minute to get my breath"


Sorry, but smooth and Falcon should not be used in the same breath.

Blah blah blah just read my sig. And yes, its a 4 speed.

Thats besides the point though. Why compare a V6 built and designed on a budget far greater than Barra's. And how many years later was it released?
And no, 45000km later there's no rattles or squeaks or anything of that nature... the car gets thrashed and still no noises. Don't believe me. I'll take you for drive after I line you line up at WSID next Wednesday... if you're game. out:

[asusdragon]

Originally Posted by danny888

Another point to ponder:

How many Falcon taxis do you see filling up the traffic on Sydney's streets.

I seriously doubt that any car would cop the same abuse 24 / 7 as these Falcons and still be running.

The Falcon I6 in its lifetime most certianly has earnt its respect that is due.

If Ford replace it, it has a very hard act to follow...........

that why there are so many falcon taxi that easier clock over the odometer with only minor sevicing, like to see any other engine do that

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Blah blah blah just read my sig. And yes, its a 4 speed.

And yet, in this post, you comment how inconsistent Falcon engine performance is....

http://fordforums.com.au/showpost.ph...14&postcount=7

Doesnt say much for the quality of Ford's engineering/manufacturing tolerances.

Why compare a V6 built and designed on a budget far greater than Barra's.

Because the majority of the buying public want the best they can get for their money, and if a V6 fits that bill, Ford will give it to them. Brand loyalty counts for less and less, and Ford will have to start offering better economy and refinement if buyers start buying elsewhere to get those things. Not that many people select their car on the basis of 0-100 or 400m times.

I'll take you for drive after I line you line up at WSID next Wednesday... if you're game. out:

why? what does it prove? nothing other than poor consistency in Ford product.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by asus_dragonorb

that why there are so many falcon taxi that easier clock over the odometer with only minor sevicing, like to see any other engine do that

Dont get too confident. My EF was very tired at 200,000.

Comparing a taxi to a private car is pointless.

[Van D]

I really wouldn't want to see a V6 come into the falcon, however, I do think QC needs to improve A LOT.

We own a BA falcon and despite my love for it (it still pulls very well and smooth as people mention), engine wise, it does shutter on idle at start up and sometimes at the lights etc and still pings in high revs despite being 'fixed'. Apart from the engine, the interior is already starting to fall apart (door rubbers, plastic around seat rails etc), the handbrake is absolute crap and the one in my XF is miles and miles better and hasn't been touched since I've gotten it (BA handbrake doesn't actually work really, it's more the tranny that's stops the car rolling, and if you pull hard on the hand brake you feel like it's going to come off, BA has been tightened almost every service) and the transmission, despite being serviced a lot clunks into gears from start on slight hills and takes a while to go into reverse. The brakes also need machining heaps and the front end doesn't always feel too secure.

Despite all this, I still love the falcon, I suppose because i'm blue blooded. I'm not saying all BA's are like this, but i've heard similar stories from many people (plus diff etc). I have always loved the I6 in the BA's but serious, QC needs to be tightened up A LOT for it to be safely on top of the 6's I think.

[andrewts]

Originally Posted by b0son

<snip>

I'm not sure if you noticed, but:

Originally Posted by plext

This is a Ford forum and bashing of said product is looked upon as trolling. We don't like it and I suggest you end it here.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by andrewts

I'm not sure if you noticed, but:

A request then...

Can you guys register a new domain name?

http://www.sayonlynicethingsaboutfordforums.com.au

I can understand a non-Ford owner being regarded as a troll if they pick on a product they know nothing about, but I own one, and I cant point out my views/experiences?

Some would call that insecurity....

[sexr6tasy]

Blah blah blah lets compare the aurion to an old ba/bf whoopied do lets compare the ve to it aswell and the brand new Ferrari get over it the orion is what your gonna have to compare it to or would it be unfair to compare a newer car to an older one because even my shitty old stock ef xr6 with 200,000kms beat a stock ve in a drag in a straight line so v6's can suck my hairy balls

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by b0son

And yet, in this post, you comment how inconsistent Falcon engine performance is....

http://fordforums.com.au/showpost.ph...14&postcount=7

Doesnt say much for the quality of Ford's engineering/manufacturing tolerances.



Because the majority of the buying public want the best they can get for their money, and if a V6 fits that bill, Ford will give it to them. Brand loyalty counts for less and less, and Ford will have to start offering better economy and refinement if buyers start buying elsewhere to get those things. Not that many people select their car on the basis of 0-100 or 400m times.



why? what does it prove? nothing other than poor consistency in Ford product.

Like I said, why don't you consider the budgets of both before you talk... in other words, read the post properly.
Its a sweet motor and I love it.
And the only thing I'm trying to prove is that you're only good behind your keyboard.... if that.

[DOC]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

**nothing worth quoting**

For you wonderful comments and put down of these great people you have WON my Golden Trumpet award.

Please forward your postal address and i will post it out ASAP.

There are instructions enclosed should you have difficulties, However in breif, take a bent over position, insert trumpet and blow it out of your Ar$e

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by DOC

For you wonderful comments and put down of these great people you have WON my Golden Trumpet award.

Please forward your postal address and i will post it out ASAP.

There are instructions enclosed should you have difficulties, However in breif, take a bent over position, insert trumpet and blow it out of your Ar$e

ROFLMAO if there was ever kodak moment

[b0son]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Like I said, why don't you consider the budgets of both before you talk... in other words, read the post properly.

Obviously you missed the point I alluded to earlier, namely that, if Ford global offer a V6 that has a much larger development budget and it shows, why shouldnt Ford Aus take advantage of that, and spend the money saved on improving the car in other areas?

And the only thing I'm trying to prove is that you're only good behind your keyboard.... if that.

??? So now you're taking credit for your car's sub-15? Please. Lets talk when you can brake and corner as well.

[Falc'man]

Develop all they like, where's the torque and where's the grunt? The locals have given us a cracker 4litre and all you can do is bag it. With more development it'll still crap over any 6 at a fraction of the budget.
As for me taking credit of things, get over it, the Barra190 rocks, its got nothing to do with me.

[MethodX]

If Ford give the V6 some capacity it will be ok.
Better to have Falcon in a V6 guise than nothing.

Remember Ford has almost stopped Aus production before.
In about 95 I think it was, You could all be driving lovely Taurus's.

[Full Spectrum]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

Blah blah blah lets compare the aurion to an old ba/bf whoopied do lets compare the ve to it aswell and the brand new Ferrari get over it the orion is what your gonna have to compare it to or would it be unfair to compare a newer car to an older one because even my shitty old stock ef xr6 with 200,000kms beat a stock ve in a drag in a straight line so v6's can suck my hairy balls

Don't forget that a stock VN can also beat a stock VE in a straight line
Hell my mums 305,000km VP can beat all the holden range minus SV6:P in a 0-100 shoot out.

[Ryan]

All of these people saying that it's bad for the Falcon to be without a I6, just think the entire Falcon range could have been dropped in favour of some FWD econbox.

Considered yourselves lucky, that there's still going to be a Falcon.

Originally Posted by Slick_Aussie

Don't forget that a stock VN can also beat a stock VE in a straight line
Hell my mums 305,000km VP can beat all the holden range minus SV6:P in a 0-100 shoot out.

Yeah but at the end of the day, they're still old VNs and VPs. IMO They're 2 of the most overrated Commodores ever made.

I would rather drive a fresh new car, than some clapped out old POS VN/VP.

[Pedro]

Nine News thinks that Falcon already has a V6.....

Up to 600 jobs could go at Ford
Friday Jul 13 06:18 AEST
Up to 600 people stand to lose their jobs if Ford goes ahead with a scheme to stop manufacturing the Falcon V6 engine.

[whiskieboy]

I really wasnt worried about our future here until I just heard that the Bracks Goverment is sending a " working party " to USA to try and talk them into keeping this engine etc.
Now i'm really scared.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

**nothing worth quoting**

GOLD!

Originally Posted by whiskieboy

I really wasnt worried about our future here until I just heard that the Bracks Goverment is sending a " working party " to USA to try and talk them into keeping this engine etc.
Now i'm really scared.

Sounds similar to what the Sth. Australian Government did in 2004 when Mitsubishi was planning to close the Lonsdale engine plant.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/20...571002600.html

If I lived in Geelong I would be very concerned.

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au/...5389_news.html

FF

[uranium_death]

Originally Posted by MethodX

Remember Ford has almost stopped Aus production before.
In about 95 I think it was, You could all be driving lovely Taurus's.

No we wouldn't.

We may like Ford more, but we aren't complete idiots. We'd leave Ford and get something that resembles taste and style.

[uranium_death]

Another tacker on the end of that.

My alarm went off at 8:00 this morning and the first story on ABC news was the bizzo around Ford's prospective change to a V6 engine. Gee, the doomsayers were seemingly out.

What really got on my goat was Nat/Matt (who knows) Brown constantly saying, "The Geelong plant currently makes Inline V6 engines" or something about Inline V6 engines.

I mean, seriously. If you're going to report on a major story in Australian business, at least get the basic facts of what the company actually does do correct. It was just hard to lie there in bed listening to this reporter speaking like he knew something.

Perhaps he should stick to puppy stories.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by sleekism

Do these Ford baggers know that Ford was rated number one in quality in the UK?

When was this ?

The JD Power Survey 2007 says differently

What has this got to do with I6 vs V6


For the record I'm a fan of the I6 especially with the Turbo attached to it, but wouldn't be adverse to a Volvo I6 either.

[ClevlndStemer]

Sad news for sure if Ford do decide to drop the I6, but if they're going to survive cuts need to be made. Cost of manufacturing in this country has out weighed any benefits.

[The Stylist]

Oh dear, I've opened up a can of worms here. This thread needs to be locked up.

It wasn't supposed to be a I6 vs V6 debate, it was to be about speculation that the I6 was going to be dropped. I suggest a few people need to go on holiday as well.

[Wally]

Might be easier if Ford did a deal with Holden to have them rebadge the VE as the new Falcon.

[Falcon Freak]

Originally Posted by ClevlndStemer

Sad news for sure if Ford do decide to drop the I6, but if they're going to survive cuts need to be made. Cost of manufacturing in this country has out weighed any benefits.

If they weren't late getting new models onto the market they wouldn't be in the financial mess they are in. How did Ford let its major opposition have a two year head start with an all new model? This has left Ford Australia in a perilous situation where the US are basing future model decisions on the current model's volumes and profitability. 2007 isn't a typical year. Look at Falcon sales in 2001 and then in 2003 and you will see how much impact a good vehicle has on sales figures and profits.

The end is nigh for the Ford Falcon.

FF

[Hunter]

Originally Posted by uranium_death

No we wouldn't.

We may like Ford more, but we aren't complete idiots. We'd leave Ford and get something that resembles taste and style.

Yeah I'm not a fan of driving around in a car shaped like an Ovaltine

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by sexr6tasy

Blah blah blah lets compare the aurion to an old ba/bf whoopied do lets compare the ve to it aswell and the brand new Ferrari get over it the orion is what your gonna have to compare it to or would it be unfair to compare a newer car to an older one because even my shitty old stock ef xr6 with 200,000kms beat a stock ve in a drag in a straight line so v6's can suck my hairy balls

If you were to walk into a Ford Dealership and then into a Toyota Dealership TODAY, you would have the choice of the Aurion or the BA. The orion is 8 months away.

[DK30RB]

Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Bragging about owning an Aurion is like running in the special olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded.

Thats a comment one would expect from "Cleatus the slack jawed country hick yolkel"