Unions will be the death of Australian car manufacturing

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by superyob

Excuse my ignorance, but what are these?

http://www.nlc.com.au/novated-lease-explained/

Originally Posted by Charliewool

And IF my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle!
ALL great sentiments Damo, but the horse has well and truly bolted...
Govco (both sides) couldn't give two hoots about Australian manufacturing. I've said it before and will again... They simply want us to be the world's biggest warehouse!
Port expansions, 10,000+ sq metre warehouses popping up all over, huge container yards everywhere... And thousands of EMPTY containers going back overseas... Bloody madness, is what it is.

Of course, not talking about now but if that happened back in the 1990s we would probably be rolling 2000 Falcons/Terries off the line combined rather than like 700 Falcons going to Hertz or some ****.

Guess we can work in warehousing and driving gay white ex ambo Mercedes Sprinters still with the ETT rear wing across the countryside lol.

[ILLaViTaR]

Originally Posted by prydey

mate, had you crashed that car and taken out someone, and it was found you were in the state you claim, then you could have been up on some serious charges. good luck trying to blame the boss.

if i'd had a pizza delivered by a vomiting delirious person, i would have rang the company and had you sent home anyway.

i would have stayed home

Wasn't really an option at the time.. and it's not like that when you're 18yrs odl in your first job but yes exactly I'd never do something so ridiculous ever again.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Instead of throwing money hand over fist at them, they should have limited novated leases to only Australian made vehicles and offered tax incentives and rego discounts for people who own them.

For example rego for any Australian made car is at the discounted rate pensioners/low income earners get (like $400 odd in Victoria).

Who is throwing money at who?

I agree that they (govco) could and should have offered incentives to buy Australian made cars and discounts for rego, that ship has now sailed.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

Who is throwing money at who?

I agree that they (govco) could and should have offered incentives to buy Australian made cars and discounts for rego, that ship has now sailed.

Govco throwing money at Ford and GM over the years, with all the money they got they probably could have bought them both off their parent companies lol.

[Charliewool]

Pizza boy... When you've been in fairdinkum fulltime employment, THEN you can comment!
Absolutely sick to death of your garbage posts!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Charliewool

Pizza boy... When you've been in fairdinkum fulltime employment, THEN you can comment!
Absolutely sick to death of your garbage posts!

At least the Pizzaboy might have a job still after 2016 LOL.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Govco throwing money at Ford and GM over the years, with all the money they got they probably could have bought them both off their parent companies lol.

Yep ... got it Agree but I dont think they will be getting anymore somehow!

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

I dont understand why a company would open their books to the employees? What would be the benefit? So they can go .... "Look at all the money they make so give me more ..... " because as we all know ....... all bosses and companies are really really rich

Because their is no trust between Management and their workers.

I watched a documentary about American business's now not following the traditional Capitalistic approach, as they had suggested, didn't/won't work.
They had an open book policy, where everyone employed gets a say, everyone employed knows wages.
In fact, they all sat down to write policy on wages and expected profits, and how bonus's etc would be dished out after making a $x. But all this was once again, voted on by all. Even the bosses wage fluctuates with the company expectations.
Since this change of ATTITUDE by these business's, productivity is higher, worker satisfaction is at all record highs, business is now extremely successful to the point they can pay the employee's well above the crappy US wages.

As I suggested earlier, Communication is the Key. We just need to change the ATTITUDE of both sides (Boss and Unions), not one or the other

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol you clearly have no idea.

How insulting. You've obviously never worked before.

Have a good understanding as my company uses casuals/permanents , if casuals are good workers they are always called back, nothing worse calling in a casual who is not familiar or trained up.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Because their is no trust between Management and their workers.

I watched a documentary about American business's now not following the traditional Capitalistic approach, as they had suggested, didn't/won't work.
They had an open book policy, where everyone employed gets a say, everyone employed knows wages.
In fact, they all sat down to write policy on wages and expected profits, and how bonus's etc would be dished out after making a $x. But all this was once again, voted on by all. Even the bosses wage fluctuates with the company expectations.
Since this change of ATTITUDE by these business's, productivity is higher, worker satisfaction is at all record highs, business is now extremely successful to the point they can pay the employee's well above the crappy US wages.

As I suggested earlier, Communication is the Key. We just need to change the ATTITUDE of both sides (Boss and Unions), not one or the other

No offence ....... but did this business sell Unicorns?

If I opened my books up to the employees, I think I would have a mass exodus and those that don't will be handing money back in guilt! True!

Attitudes can be altered to suit the company I suppose on both sides ...... but privately owned companies are not a democracy, whether some would see that as good or bad, that is a fact.

[ivorya]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

No offence ....... but did this business sell Unicorns?

If I opened my books up to the employees, I think I would have a mass exodus and those that don't will be handing money back in guilt! True!

Attitudes can be altered to suit the company I suppose on both sides ...... but privately owned companies are not a democracy, whether some would see that as good or bad, that is a fact.

That is the issue here......

ATTITUDES must change.
When does the guilt kick in for Bosses when they are calling for employee wage drops, sackings when they still take home $80000+, and the lerks and perks?

I've never seen anyone from management give to hoots.

Would you take a pay cut or demand your employees to?

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by ivorya

That is the issue here......

ATTITUDES must change.
When does the guilt kick in for Bosses when they are calling for employee wage drops, sackings when they still take home $80000+, and the lerks and perks?

I've never seen anyone from management give to hoots.

Would you take a pay cut or demand your employees to?

Yes I would if it meant the difference to being open or being closed.

I am only talking about the owner of a business. You know ..... the person who signs everything over to the bank with their balls on the line hoping to make a go of it for both themselves, their family and their employees?

Everyone has the opportunity to do it? Some don't want to. Some do. Some succeed, most don't. It isn't (or shouldn't be) an us and them ..... but at the same time an employer has the final say on what goes on. That is the way it is. I think it is usually the employee who thinks is them vs the world when usually that isn't the case.

The union has a right to represent a worker. A business owner has the right to protect his business.

Most management would give more hoots than you could imagine. But sometimes decisions are required for the survival of the entire company.

[LoudPipes]

If you don't like what you're being paid, start your own business.
Sometimes the shoe needs to be on the other foot.

[BHDOGS]

it is very much us vs them it always will be aslong as one person has power over another thats how it will always be were all slaves only difference is now its to the dollar not to the tyrant.

[Franco Cozzo]

I don't think the problem is coming from the owner of the business, any business owner wants their staff to do well because they'd be making $$$. Half of the problems come from low level supervisors/middle management being people who couldn't hold a screwdriver:

Efforts to improve the productivity and performance of Australian organisations are being stymied by inefficient and under skilled middle managers according to the findings of a major research survey released today.

“The survey participants said middle managers in their organisations are significantly underperforming across the range of key indicators including people management, communication and leadership.”

http://www.aim.com.au/home/news/1418...anagement.html

The worst ones are the ones who are ex union shop stewards who cut a deal for their position..... I bet anyone who has worked in a large company has come across that gem before.

[Auslandau]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

it is very much us vs them it always will be aslong as one person has power over another thats how it will always be were all slaves only difference is now its to the dollar not to the tyrant.

....... and in reality, the employee can have MORE power than they can ever imagine when it comes to small business.

[b0son]

Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

every democratic socialist nation is actually doing very well as capitalism collapses around the globe as a whole. (norway is on utopian standards most can't even dream of) which would be expected with such a system imo.

The only countries doing well with anything approaching socialism are rich in some sort of natural resource. Show me one nation that has to pay for its socialist policies without some sort of golden goose. France? Fail. Spain? The less said, the better. Greece? Oh dear....

As Margaret Thatcher said... "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by b0son

The only countries doing well with anything approaching socialism are rich in some sort of natural resource. Show me one nation that has to pay for its socialist policies without some sort of golden goose. France? Fail. Spain? The less said, the better. Greece? Oh dear....

As Margaret Thatcher said... "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money"

Norway, Denmark, Sweden and Finland have a lot of socialist style policies and they're doing pretty well.

Sweden is undergoing violent protest though as there is a far right wing nazi type party gaining momentum and a far left group taking the fight to them with weapons..

[b0son]

Originally Posted by ivorya

Would you take a pay cut or demand your employees to?

A business owner's wages aren't protected by law. There are countless business owners who cut their own wages or go without completely to ride out the tough times.

[Wretched]

Tall poppy syndrome evident in many posts here.
Seems a lot of people sooking with sour tears over the success of others. They cannot handle people doing well in life, they think that it is their god given right for that wealth to be cut and shared with those who are not as well endowed with work ethic or are willing to sacrifice in the short term for a long term gain. Not all employers are rich evil people either. Many are small businesses struggling day to day but enjoy the work they do and provide gainful employment to others.

Employers have no obligation to provide any financial details to their employees unless of course they are accountants or other financial staff.

Casual staff know they can be called in at a moments notice, that's the nature of that employment.
So therefore knowing that you may be called in on Monday you should be prepared for it, you can stay up all night at your own peril. Even full timers know this.

I wonder how many people really do want to work. There are just so many ungrateful self centered a-holes that believe everything is owed to them without needing to lift a finger. Well screw you.

[BHDOGS]

Originally Posted by Auslandau

....... and in reality, the employee can have MORE power than they can ever imagine when it comes to small business.

In reality small bushiness's dont run the world giant corporations do. And in them the employee has no power maybe in this country you get a few perks and some safety and people will even bang on about that being to much. People really cant see how they are trapped in a cage democracy has to be the greatest trick the devil ever pulled in making people believe they have freedom when they have none its gotten to the point people think being able to go to work all day then go home pay ur bills and repeat for 50 years is some sort of great freedom dream or start up your own business then go to a business you own for 50 years then drop dead maybe you will have a better car and better house maybe you can retire early and travel australia in a caravan its irrelevant where just pawns playing someone elses game with there rules sometimes i think criminals are the only people who are truly free they do what they want when they want. OMG its against the law laws were only invented by another tyrant anyway another way to give people the illusion of freedom when they have none. The sad things is the retarded people at the bottom cant see past there own stupidity at how trapped and hopeless there puny lives are that they will amount to nothing and the rich are so deluded and benefit from the system so much they believe it is the bestest form ever made hence it will remain rigid until some people crack the ***** like isis in iraq and say enough is enough where going fight and die for how we want to live not how were told to.

[BHDOGS]

Maybe im just a pessimistic **** from doing security for 6 years and seeing the worst of society constantly but **** me if those people arnt atleast half right about life seriously these dole bludgers sit on the dole but atleast they get to see there ******* family i work 10 hours days and bring home alot of money these days and it doesnt make me happy one ******* bit i can buy nice shiny things that dont interest me i can go into debt for big shiny things that dont interest me i can buy my kids fancy **** they dont need is that really life is that really living getting 2 days of a weekend so you can be ****** from working all week maybe i can go out on a road trip for the day then back to work for the next five i just dont get how people can think this is living its more like prison the only difference is you get to leave for night release.

[LoudPipes]

Originally Posted by Wretched

Tall poppy syndrome evident in many posts here.
Seems a lot of people sooking with sour tears over the success of others. They cannot handle people doing well in life, they think that it is their god given right for that wealth to be cut and shared with those who are not as well endowed with work ethic or are willing to sacrifice in the short term for a long term gain. Not all employers are rich evil people either. Many are small businesses struggling day to day but enjoy the work they do and provide gainful employment to others.

Employers have no obligation to provide any financial details to their employees unless of course they are accountants or other financial staff.

Casual staff know they can be called in at a moments notice, that's the nature of that employment.
So therefore knowing that you may be called in on Monday you should be prepared for it, you can stay up all night at your own peril. Even full timers know this.

I wonder how many people really do want to work. There are just so many ungrateful self centered a-holes that believe everything is owed to them without needing to lift a finger. Well screw you.

Agreed.

I’ve always told staff nothing is ever perfect for anybody and if you are unhappy at work you’re the only one that can fix that.
Either an attitude change is required or move on and find somewhere that meets your needs.
Funny how the whingers never commit to either.

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by LoudPipes

Agreed.

I’ve always told staff nothing is ever perfect for anybody and if you are unhappy at work you’re the only one that can fix that.
Either an attitude change is required or move on and find somewhere that meets your needs.
Funny how the whingers never commit to either.

100% with you on that, come across a lot of whingers who would whinge whinge whinge, this isn't right, that isn't right, yeah we'll back you up.

Turn around.

You're the only dude standing up.

Lots of people are Terry Toughguy until it comes time for action, thats what I figured out.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

sometimes i think criminals are the only people who are truly free they do what they want when they want.

Now I'm really convinced that whatever you're smoking doesn't come in a packet with a filter!

[BHDOGS]

Just life lessons man unless u live the way the other half do ull never get it something's are worth more then money and if I learnt one thing in security it's the law is the biggest joke around

[Franco Cozzo]

The thing I've found out from OHS perspective is that its all good having laws but if they're not regulated than whats the point?

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Maybe im just a pessimistic **** from doing security for 6 years and seeing the worst of society constantly but **** me if those people arnt atleast half right about life seriously these dole bludgers sit on the dole but atleast they get to see there ******* family i work 10 hours days and bring home alot of money these days and it doesnt make me happy one ******* bit i can buy nice shiny things that dont interest me i can go into debt for big shiny things that dont interest me i can buy my kids fancy **** they dont need is that really life is that really living getting 2 days of a weekend so you can be ****** from working all week maybe i can go out on a road trip for the day then back to work for the next five i just dont get how people can think this is living its more like prison the only difference is you get to leave for night release.

If you are not happy with your life style then change it, years ago I was stressed out with the same B.S.... I changed jobs & lifestyle & now things are great, I live for today.... stuff tomorrow as it may never come.

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by Big Damo

Govco throwing money at Ford and GM over the years, with all the money they got they probably could have bought them both off their parent companies lol.

Quite true, but they also contributed to the weakening of the economy that caused them to need the money. The goal should be to make the cost of running a business (and cost of living as the two are tied) very affordable to bring up consumer demand (for affordable products) and create the jobs to match that.

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by ivorya

We also need to remember, that Most Bosses/Employers already have preconceived idea's of what Unions are about.
Why should it just be the unions doing this all the time, why don't Bosses extend their Hand for a change? Why don't Bosses have open book policy's on their business, showing everything from wages to cash flow to employee's

Oh GREAT idea. Can't comprehend "no sales = no money" but want to see a detailed P&L?