Ecoboost whats the point

[olds]

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

[4VCLEVO]

Fuel economy.

[jpd80]

ATM, fleets don't want I-6 Falcon or V6 Commodore either in petrol or LPG so they have to try something..

I don't think it would matter what engine you put in a Falcon, very few buyers want them.

[olds]

But the decision for Ecoboost would have been made three years ago not ATM

[Nikked]

Give it up olds, stop wasting bandwidth.

[Cashie]

Fuel economy and cheaper rego in some states.
Also, the bulk of owners might get a fuzzy feeling driving a 4 cyl over a 6 cyl.
Anything that can help Ford sell more FGs is a great thing in my book.

[Mr H]

your wife wants a camry (running costs) u convince her that fords are cool, you meet halfway.....ecoboost!!!!

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

and what do you suggest as an alternative to boost sales?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

1) $200 per year cheaper rego (in QLD anyway).
2) Cheaper to run as far as fuel is concerned without any of the compromises of LPG.
3) Longer range.
4) Lighter and better handling.
5) "Eco friendly" and "green" which to some is even more important that stripes and 20" rims.

It is important to remember than not everyone wants what you want and Falcon is available in a T4, NA6, LPG6, two different T6s and two different V8s.

Can you name another vehicle anywhere in the world with such a broad choice?

[olds]

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

[Nikked]

Well, yes...

[olds]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Give it up olds, stop wasting bandwidth.

Top reply lots of thought put into that Thanks

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by olds

Top reply lots of thought put into that Thanks

about as much thought as the thread topic...

if you dont understand why ford would want to produce a car that is cheaper to run, cheaper to own, better for the environment, and will hopefully boost sales the there really is no point explaining it any further.

[Jim Goose]

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

And those other people who fork out $30 grand on other 4 cyclinder cars like toyota, Honda etc also appreciate that fuel/ rego is expensive.

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.

[Kryton]

Its a legit question and a legit thread.
Im still waiting for Ford to tell us why we should buy one............
Seems they cant even do that.

[Road_Warrior]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

And that is exactly the point so what is the problem? Government fleets in particular have a 200g/klm of CO2 threshold which the Falcon can't meet without Ecoboost. Those extra few hundred fleet sales per month are better off going to Ecoboost Falcons instead of some whitegoods on wheels from Toyota.

[olds]

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.[/QUOTE]p

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

1) $200 per year cheaper rego (in QLD anyway).
2) Cheaper to run as far as fuel is concerned without any of the compromises of LPG.
3) Longer range.
4) Lighter and better handling.
5) "Eco friendly" and "green" which to some is even more important that stripes and 20" rims.

It is important to remember than not everyone wants what you want and Falcon is available in a T4, NA6, LPG6, two different T6s and two different V8s.

Can you name another vehicle anywhere in the world with such a broad choice?

The BMW 3 and 5 series would come close, available with 4, 6 and 8 cylinders, NA and Turbo as well as diesel.

Originally Posted by olds

So I fork out 36k and Im worried about 10 cent /litre in fuel costs ?

Doesn't have to make sense, its the same with people who pay double the price of a Corolla to buy a Prius, for slightly better economy and a sense of smugness.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by olds

People who are looking at buying a 4 cyclinder car, usually want... a 4 cyclinder car! So now the Falcon is available to them, when previously they wouldnt have looked twice at it.

p

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder[/QUOTE]
What about people who pay 50k+ for a 4 cylinder 3 series or C Class Merc.

What about them.

[minheim]

Road Warrior is spot on when he notes the limits on Gov't fleets.

Over time the ecoboost will hopefully gain a following as people realise you can have the benefits of fuel economy like a smaller car, but the power, size and performance of a six. This might make them also desirable second hand cars, which keeps fleets happy.

If so then eventually the resale of fleet falcons may in turn grow or maintain falcon sales volume (alongside sixes and lpg sales) at the expense of rivals.

[PepeLePew]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

Arguably, you have answered the question yourself. If the fleets and taxi's adopt it, it's likely enough to justify its existence.

I'm a little unsure as to why we need another thread to bash the EB...

Either some of our forum users should do work experience in Ford product planning or one day, we may look back and think 'they got it right'. You'd need a crystal ball to know whether EB has a real future.

On reflection, why the hell would anyone buy a Camry? I can't make sense of that so sometimes things that don't make sense, eventually just work.

[WILDB]

Originally Posted by olds

people that are looking at buying a 4 cylinder car will pay a 4 cylinder price not 6 cyclinder

4 cylinder price? Define that one please.

Toyota - have 4 cyl models going into the high 30s.
Honda - Some models well into the 40s.
Subaru - Ditto
Volkswagen - ditto, probably even higher.

The list goes on.

People are paying in the 30s and 40s for Focus' and Mondeos....

This thread is a waste of time.

[Crazy Dazz]

It’s ironic that people want to keep prattling on incessantly about 4 cylinder fleets, like that is the saviour of Falcon, then accuse ME of being hung-up on the number of cylinders.
If a government department is buying Corollas and Camrys, then they are not going to swap to buying Falcons. Period. (Unless the price of a new Falcon is somehow slashed)

My points remain, and have always been:
1. From my view as a personal buyer and also a fleet manager, the EB falcon doesn’t make any sense, in so far as there are already better options available. If somebody wants the EB, then the Mondeo is a more appropriate option. If you want performance/ RWD, then the eColpi is a cheaper option.
2. Compared to our I6, The EB is NOT the wunderkind everybody seems to think. Real world tests have shown it is only marginally more efficient than the I6 (under 2c per km cheaper) and if you want the full power of the EB then the cost of PULP makes it more expensive.
3. Even the crap diesel they put in the Territory would have made IMHO a viable option in the Falcon. Had the gone with the updated 3.0lt TD, that in the Falcon could have been a game changer.
4. I doubt they spent much money on EB, but whatever it was would have been better spent improving the I6.
5. The EB Falcon will appeal to somebody that wants a Huge, Powerful, RWD “Aussie” Sedan, and doesn’t mind paying for the privilege, but at the same time wants lower greenhouse gas emissions. If Ford can find enough of such mythical creatures to significantly boost sales of the Falcon, then that is Fantastic.

[olds]

Any thread that invokes discussion is not a waste of time that's what forums are about

[Crazy Dazz]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

What about people who pay 50k+ for a 4 cylinder 3 series or C Class Merc.

What about them.

Yes, Ford is now targeting Beemer & Merc buyers. Hallelujah the Falcon is saved!

[NX74205]

The point? Falcon Ecoboost combines the economy of a 4-cylinder car with the power of a 6-cylinder, and the space of a Falcon.

I love the I6, but I just wish it was more economical in stop/start city driving. My next car, whenever I get it, will most likely not be an I6 Falcon, unless Ford somehow manages to get Ecoboost economy from the six in urban driving.

[flappist]

Just wondering olds and crazy dazz, which model new falcon have you both bought?

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by olds

Ok may get shot down here but I cant see anybody except fleets and taxis wanting ecoboost over the I6 . Convince me otherwise .

You honeslty havn't looked at this numbers of this engine have you? Both fuel & speed wise!! If you had, the quesiton would have been "what is the point of I6"!!!

[nstg8a]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

It’s ironic that people want to keep prattling on incessantly about 4 cylinder fleets, like that is the saviour of Falcon, then accuse ME of being hung-up on the number of cylinders.
If a government department is buying Corollas and Camrys, then they are not going to swap to buying Falcons. Period. (Unless the price of a new Falcon is somehow slashed)

My points remain, and have always been:
1. From my view as a personal buyer and also a fleet manager, the EB falcon doesn’t make any sense, in so far as there are already better options available. If somebody wants the EB, then the Mondeo is a more appropriate option. If you want performance/ RWD, then the eColpi is a cheaper option.
2. Compared to our I6, The EB is NOT the wunderkind everybody seems to think. Real world tests have shown it is only marginally more efficient than the I6 (under 2c per km cheaper) and if you want the full power of the EB then the cost of PULP makes it more expensive.
3. Even the crap diesel they put in the Territory would have made IMHO a viable option in the Falcon. Had the gone with the updated 3.0lt TD, that in the Falcon could have been a game changer.
4. I doubt they spent much money on EB, but whatever it was would have been better spent improving the I6.
5. The EB Falcon will appeal to somebody that wants a Huge, Powerful, RWD “Aussie” Sedan, and doesn’t mind paying for the privilege, but at the same time wants lower greenhouse gas emissions. If Ford can find enough of such mythical creatures to significantly boost sales of the Falcon, then that is Fantastic.

what makes the mondeo a more appropriate option?

personally id buy the ecolpi over the eb, but im a bbq gas fan, and can see that its not for everyone. much the same as the eb isnt for everyone.

[olds]

Originally Posted by flappist

Just wondering olds and crazy dazz, which model new falcon have you both bought?

Bought a march 2012 territory what have you got