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Old 05-06-2023, 08:36 PM   #1
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Numbers are in

Top 10 Models

1 -Toyota HiLux – 5772

2 – Ford Ranger – 4110

3 – Tesla Model Y – 3178

4 – Toyota RAV4 – 2616

5 – MG ZS – 2502

6 – Isuzu D-Max – 2371

7 – Toyota LandCruiser – 2303

8 – Hyundai i30 – 2163

9 – Hyundai Tucson – 1911

10 – Mitsubishi Outlander – 1880

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MG in 5th? Wow.
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Cheap and nasty... .. cheap probably being its biggest benefit.. might become more of a factor as rates keep rising
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Ford Numbers -

Ford Escape – 321
Ford Everest – 812
Ford Fiesta – 10
Ford Focus – 4
Ford Mustang – 309
Ford Puma – 253
Ford Ranger 4x2 – 446
Ford Ranger 4x4 – 3664
Ford Transit Bus – 0
Ford Transit Custom – 403
Ford Transit Heavy – 29
Ford Total – 6251

Tansit Custom seemed to do well for the month.

Interesting to see so many Mustang's delivered. These would likely be fulfillment of some long-standing orders, but I expect the numbers to plumet as they transition to the new model, which won't hit Australia till early next year.
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Record month for RAM..................

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Sales by country of origin -

Japan: 28,350, down 8.1 per cent

Thailand: 20,624, down 0.5 per cent

China: 17,958, up 118.8 per cent

Korea: 15,196, up 0.6 per cent

Germany: 4942, up 36.2 per cent

Sales by propulsion or fuel type -

Petrol: 52,327, up 10.6 per cent

Diesel: 32,113, down 3.9 per cent

Electric: 8124, up 778.3 per cent

Hybrid: 7600, down 3.7 per cent

PHEV: 791, up 13.8 per cent

Hydrogen FCEV: 0
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Ford Puma puts in laughable sales every month for a car they have stock of, the Mustang consistently outsells it - how long until it's culled like the Escape?
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Ford Puma puts in laughable sales every month for a car they have stock of, the Mustang consistently outsells it - how long until it's culled like the Escape?
No no no.

I just did a quick check of Ford Ute South east Qld dealers=dealers have an average of 2 new Puma per dealer. Some have zero.

Melbourne may be different. Or Essendon Ford Ute may be different. Or Sunbury Ford Ute may be different.

But Ranger v Puma is ten to twenty times more stock.

So Ford of Europe are not sending them here-- popular in Europe or Ford Ute (Aus)are not bringing them in in quantity as they realised the name badge does not say Ranger or Everest and are confused.

Reports indicate electric Puma arrives end of 2024.

Petrol Puma will probably die then as there has been no''demand'' due to the fact Ford Ute didnt bring them in.

Interestingly there is a new Fiesta ST at Moreton Bay Ford in Brisbane.
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I rocked into Essendon Ford Ute and they had a stack of new ones right out the front of the showroom, so there's certainly new stock sitting at dealerships here in Melbourne, they're not unobtainium like other popular options are.

Model Y sales are strong, I wonder if this is because people choosing Model Y rather than Model 3 now there's a pavement princess SUV option.
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I rocked into Essendon Ford Ute and they had a stack of new ones right out the front of the showroom, so there's certainly new stock sitting at dealerships here in Melbourne, they're not unobtainium like other popular options are.

Model Y sales are strong, I wonder if this is because people choosing Model Y rather than Model 3 now there's a pavement princess SUV option.
I did preference my comment that maybe its different at Ford Ute Eseendon.

Ford Ute may preference Melb dealers because its closer to Webb Dock incurring lower distribution costs.

I dont understand Model Y. It s incredibly ugly.
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No no no.

I just did a quick check of Ford Ute South east Qld dealers=dealers have an average of 2 new Puma per dealer. Some have zero.

Melbourne may be different. Or Essendon Ford Ute may be different. Or Sunbury Ford Ute may be different.

But Ranger v Puma is ten to twenty times more stock.

So Ford of Europe are not sending them here-- popular in Europe or Ford Ute (Aus)are not bringing them in in quantity as they realised the name badge does not say Ranger or Everest and are confused.

Reports indicate electric Puma arrives end of 2024.

Petrol Puma will probably die then as there has been no''demand'' due to the fact Ford Ute didnt bring them in.

Interestingly there is a new Fiesta ST at Moreton Bay Ford in Brisbane.
I find it interesting that you call this brand Ford Ute, considering they haven’t sold a ute since 2016.

They only have two models, an SUV with a closed boot area, and the same SUV with an open boot area.
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I dont understand Model Y. It s incredibly ugly.
Agreed. The styling is offensive to the eye.
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I find it interesting that you call this brand Ford Ute, considering they haven’t sold a ute since 2016.

They only have two models, an SUV with a closed boot area, and the same SUV with an open boot area.
Technically they haven't sold a ute since the XH.
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Stock? What stock?
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Ford Puma puts in laughable sales every month for a car they have stock of, the Mustang consistently outsells it - how long until it's culled like the Escape?
Well 250 odd per month is nearly as much as the whole Jeep brand sells, so maybe it ain't so bad.



Ram Trucks Australia's record run is a stark contrast to the woes of its US stablemate Jeep, which has reported a 27 per cent slump to just 2014 new vehicles as sold so far this year and ranks 31st behind truck company Hino on the official sales tally.

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Top selling vehicle in UK for May 4184 sales with delays to get one

It sort of confirms that Ford Ute Aus just can’t get the right numbers of a Puma situation normal.
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Talking about Hino

Hino and Fuso to merge in 2024

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So the collective we are now referencing the pick-up market as the Thailand Special segment.

Why do I get the feeling that we will all soon be all calling Ford by the name of Ford Ute?
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It sort of confirms that Ford Ute Aus just can’t get the right numbers of a Puma situation normal.
The only volume vehicles that Ford can get is Ranger and Everest …….we’ll, kinda sorta.
Ford Europe sends us what they can spare which is virtually nothing……

Has anyone heard anything about F150 sales or is that not happening yet?
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Ford Europe sends us what they can spare which is virtually nothing……

Has anyone heard anything about F150 sales or is that not happening yet?
https://www.drive.com.au/news/ram-re...a-us-pick-ups/

"Ford says it is on track to start local deliveries of the F-150 in the second half of this year, while the Toyota Tundra is due to formally go on sale next year if a trial of the first 300 validation vehicles proves successful."

Knowing Ford, that will probably end up being the second half of next year.
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last update I saw was expectations to showrooms from July on.....

So whats the big flip going on here

1 -Toyota HiLux – 5772

2 – Ford Ranger – 4110

New arrivals for the ol platform Toy and Ford Ute sold out not enough back in ?
Huge flip.
Christ LC pumped up, more new stock arrived and those RRP's arn't cheap.

Why can't they get enough Everests.
Large SUV < $70k Toyota Prado (1435) Isuzu MU-X (1110) Ford Everest (812)

Fugly Prado again old but still there and fugly MUX omg.
Will Everest ever make the ground to challenge or do consumer/s and Fleets just see Prado as the out and out 4x4 SUV and better support for parts etc....
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It sort of confirms that Ford Ute Aus just can’t get the right numbers of a Puma situation normal.
I recall when the Focus used to be a top UK seller. But always struggled to sell against the Corolla and 3 here, which were first pick of the private buyers that typically bought them.

With the puma, i wonder if its a chicken and egg thing. Few want them, so FOA scale down the orders, and on it goes. Maybe they're trying to focus on (sorry) selling more profitable mustangs and rangers.

A little surprised that theres still a market for relatively expensive dual cabs, given rate rises. But that's another story.
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Drive article quotes an sales rep as saying there’s been a clear downturn in foot traffic into dealerships,
So between that and the current interest rate rises I’d suspect the luxury of changing into a new car, just because you can will slow down,
The true numbers will begin to appear later this year I’d say.
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Yes, they must be filling some orders as I never seen so many new ones getting about here.
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Stock? What stock?
There was 7 new ones sitting in Essendon Ford Ute's yard last week, right in front of their showroom, so if you wanted a brand spanker you could walk into the dealership and get one of them sitting in the yard.
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last update I saw was expectations to showrooms from July on.....

So whats the big flip going on here

1 -Toyota HiLux – 5772

2 – Ford Ranger – 4110

New arrivals for the ol platform Toy and Ford Ute sold out not enough back in ?
Huge flip.
Christ LC pumped up, more new stock arrived and those RRP's arn't cheap.

Why can't they get enough Everests.
Large SUV < $70k Toyota Prado (1435) Isuzu MU-X (1110) Ford Everest (812)

Fugly Prado again old but still there and fugly MUX omg.
Will Everest ever make the ground to challenge or do consumer/s and Fleets just see Prado as the out and out 4x4 SUV and better support for parts etc....
Prado is in a different class, the others are ute based, Prado is a stand alone model. Fortuner is Toyota's ute based suv.
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Prado is in a different class, the others are ute based, Prado is a stand alone model. Fortuner is Toyota's ute based suv.
That’s generally what Prado fans say, look at any quality vehicle comparison and the Everest IS well and truly a match for the Prado and IS in the same class.
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https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ay-result-ever

Strong backorder deliveries drove the Australian new vehicle market to an all-time May sales record and the best monthly result this year, with 105,694 new cars delivered.
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Knowing Ford, that will probably end up being the second half of next year.
... because they'll be converting RHD F150s back to LHD to plug shortages in LHD markets.
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Prado is in a different class, the others are ute based, Prado is a stand alone model. Fortuner is Toyota's ute based suv.
Prado and US Tacoma Ute are on the same platform
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