Covid 19 -

[CyberWasp]

This whole thing could be done and dusted in this country if people just do the right thing for a few weeks.

[Fed]

I've got a question guys.

If Australia was virus free with our external boarders fully locked down and only allowing people in via a strict quarantine regime say a Month with ongoing testing is there any downside by not interacting with the rest of the World?

With that in place all internal restrictions could go & everyone could get back to normal.

We could do without tourism, overseas uni students and international travel although it could still take place via quarantine.

Got me thinking, I wonder if we will see a World divided by clean & dirty countries.
Clean countries could still interact with each other without restriction so long as they had the same external border controls.

People could still leave they would just have to go though the mill to get back in.

Serious question, could we do that?

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by Fed

I've got a question guys.

If Australia was virus free with our external boarders fully locked down and only allowing people in via a strict quarantine regime say a Month with ongoing testing is there any downside by not interacting with the rest of the World?

With that in place all internal restrictions could go & everyone could get back to normal.

We could do without tourism, overseas uni students and international travel although it could still take place via quarantine.

Got me thinking, I wonder if we will see a World divided by clean & dirty countries.
Clean countries could still interact with each other without restriction so long as they had the same external border controls.

People could still leave they would just have to go though the mill to get back in.

Serious question, could we do that?

It wouldn't be possible from an economic perspective because of the global supply chain and Australia's dependency on trade with China.

Our universities are built around educating foreign students, they're cash cows on full fee paying hundreds of thousands.

[cheap]

Originally Posted by Fed

I've got a question guys.

If Australia was virus free with our external boarders fully locked down and only allowing people in via a strict quarantine regime say a Month with ongoing testing is there any downside by not interacting with the rest of the World?

With that in place all internal restrictions could go & everyone could get back to normal.

We could do without tourism, overseas uni students and international travel although it could still take place via quarantine.

Got me thinking, I wonder if we will see a World divided by clean & dirty countries.
Clean countries could still interact with each other without restriction so long as they had the same external border controls.

People could still leave they would just have to go though the mill to get back in.

Serious question, could we do that?

Huge changes await for people traveling, I would suggest that there will need to be a globally agreed standards/certification before allowing anyone to travel from one country to another. You’ll need 100% proof that you’re virus free before stepping onto a plane. The days of ‘open’ travel are over at least for the next 2-5 years. I’m of the opinion the cruise ship industry is sunk.

The big task to is keep australia spinning and to do so we need spare parts for cars, trucks, machinery, technology, telecommunications etc. Many of these items are made in China.

There would still be hundreds of thousands of people unable to work because they are/were employed in the global supply and demand of goods and services which will take months to restore.

Also there are already strong recriminations against China, extracting oneself from China will be a long and costly process. IMO long term China is finished, companies will be instructed to cease Chinese manufacturing operations and come on-shore or find divergent manufacturing.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by cheap

Huge changes await for people traveling, I would suggest that there will need to be a globally agreed standards/certification before allowing anyone to travel from one country to another. You’ll need 100% proof that you’re virus free before stepping onto a plane. The days of ‘open’ travel are over at least for the next 2-5 years. I’m of the opinion the cruise ship industry is sunk.

This is what the WHO, Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and likely the Australian Government at the direction of Health and the pharmaceutical industry are pushing for. A vaccine ID card or profile.

Won't happen while the Attorney General of the US, Bill Barr is vehemently against it. I can't see it happening unless it's introduced world wide as it will cause discrepancies, and then friction, between countries.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Fed

I've got a question guys.

If Australia was virus free with our external boarders fully locked down and only allowing people in via a strict quarantine regime say a Month with ongoing testing is there any downside by not interacting with the rest of the World?

With that in place all internal restrictions could go & everyone could get back to normal.

We could do without tourism, overseas uni students and international travel although it could still take place via quarantine.

Got me thinking, I wonder if we will see a World divided by clean & dirty countries.
Clean countries could still interact with each other without restriction so long as they had the same external border controls.

People could still leave they would just have to go though the mill to get back in.

Serious question, could we do that?

Its a pity Australia didn't do this straight up, close international borders instead of state ones but greed won.

[MercuryT]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Its a pity Australia didn't do this straight up, close international borders instead of state ones but greed won.

Tassie were best handling this quickly and pro-actively.

Still hasn't stopped cases but yes i think other States slow to react.

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by roKWiz

Its a pity Australia didn't do this straight up, close international borders instead of state ones but greed won.

All countries have made really basic mistakes that the general public cant understand

You just expect these professionals to have it all under control....but theyre so disconnected with reality they forget about some basic fundamental

In NZ weve been in complete lock down for a couple of weeks ....its crippling businesses , i think its the right thing to do , i think our governments been really good doing most things right.....except for the most important part weve been letting kiwis come home and just saying to them you must self isolate at home .....WTF , itsonly in the last few days after intense criticism have they relented and quarantined everyone

unbeleivable in all this time weve been importing the virus and just relying on people to do the right thing ...all because it was too expensive to quarantine from the start ......now the cost will be sooooo much greater

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by PooDog

All countries have made really basic mistakes that the general public cant understand

You just expect these professionals to have it all under control....but theyre so disconnected with reality they forget about some basic fundamental

In NZ weve been in complete lock down for a couple of weeks ....its crippling businesses , i think its the right thing to do , i think our governments been really good doing most things right.....except for the most important part weve been letting kiwis come home and just saying to them you must self isolate at home .....WTF , itsonly in the last few days after intense criticism have they relented and quarantined everyone

unbeleivable in all this time weve been importing the virus and just relying on people to do the right thing ...all because it was too expensive to quarantine from the start ......now the cost will be sooooo much greater

With greatest respect ..None of us really know what the right thing is ..Nobody knows yet . The only thing we can know for sure is that .

A lot of experts are now questioning the overall best approach until a vaccine comes along . Most medical epidemic organisations seem to think that there is a big chance there could be a second wave or more of the virus and by locking down initially might make a potential future wave worse than the first . Not unless every single case is detected now . That's virtually impossible as I understand it.
Not one person on the planet really knows what is the best approach yet I think .

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

With greatest respect ..None of us really know what the right thing is ..Nobody knows yet . The only thing we can know for sure is that .

A lot of experts are now questioning the overall best approach until a vaccine comes along . Most medical epidemic organisations seem to think that there is a big chance there could be a second wave or more of the virus and by locking down initially might make a potential future wave worse than the first . Not unless every single case is detected now . That's virtually impossible as I understand it.
Not one person on the planet really knows what is the best approach yet I think .

True ...but allowing people to go home and self isolate....and trusting them not to not mix with family and friends when your whole country is in lock down is a no brainer .....you either do lockdown isolation or you dont , at least with lockdown /isolation your health system has a chance with gradual infestation
If you dont arent you going to get swamped health systems and mass deaths like NY, Italy, Spain etc ?

[oldel]

E: Big picture view:
No, because Australia's economy is based on tourism,overseas students and international travel and goods.

We have nothing besides that. Our own populous can't support are own industries so we don't have much secondary industry either. Even if we're clean we rely too much on the rest of the world for goods (selling and buying). What ships or aircraft would come here if we held them up and disinfected/quarantined them for lengthy delays? What customer would buy stuff from b&m retailers if they had to wait weeks for it to come from overseas?

[MercuryT]

Interesting how Woolies sold out of most stock yet my local grocery store has pretty much everything.

Strange times.

[Fed]

Surely we can send and receive freight without human interactions, we're probably doing it now.
Uni students could quarantine for a month or go to a virus ridden country, their choice, same for tourists.
I called for a border lockdown 15/2/20 in the other thread, we had 5 cases at that time.

[CoupeKing]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/0....activity.Mail

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by CoupeKing

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/0....activity.Mail

Bill Gates came to save us all,
Every country big and small,
Made a vaccine, along with a chip,
Goes under the skin, in the L hip,
Now all sheep, w/o any borders,
Welcome one, welcome all, to the New World Order.

BTW, he’s not very popular in India, the Indians haven’t forgotten the vaccine induced polio epidemic there.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Bill Gates came to save us all,
Every country big and small,
Made a vaccine, along with a chip,
Goes under the skin, in the L hip,
Now all sheep, w/o any borders,
Welcome one, welcome all, to the New World Order.

BTW, he’s not very popular in India, the Indians haven’t forgotten the vaccine induced polio epidemic there.

Too late, I think most of us already have the chip from immunisation. Everytime I go near my radio it interferes with it. I mustn't have got a CE checked one.

[roddy1960]

re Europe... This is a bit of a read but it's interesting how Germany has fared better than pretty much all their neighbours

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/w...eath-rate.html

.According to this at least they've had nowhere near the fatality rate than most despite well over 100,000 cases now . Even better than South Korea too which is lauded as a leader in Asia. We're roughly half the rate of them at the minute . South Korea about 1.8% , Germany 1.6% and we're still less than 1%. We must be doing something right I guess .

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Bill Gates came to save us all,
Every country big and small,
Made a vaccine, along with a chip,
Goes under the skin, in the L hip,
Now all sheep, w/o any borders,
Welcome one, welcome all, to the New World Order.

BTW, he’s not very popular in India, the Indians haven’t forgotten the vaccine induced polio epidemic there.

Are you an anti vaxer too?

911 truther?

Chemtrails?

The Internet provides a platform that supports pretty much any whacky theory or belief.
Like minded people are drawn in and then begin to feel that their once crazy theory or feeling is actually correct.
You claim to know the truth but are vague or outright avoiding in many of your responses when asked for info or links.

[buggerlugs]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Are you an anti vaxer too?


You claim to know the truth but are vague or outright avoiding in many of your responses when asked for info or links.

There is quite a few on here like that..........

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by xxx000

Are you an anti vaxer too?

No, we were all for vaccines up until my son at 10 weeks of age nearly died from his 8 week shots. Satisfied?

The problem with you low IQ folk is you believe the garbage peddled by Mockingbird media and you consume it like the good lemmings you are.

It's patently clear from your ramblings your incapable of doing research beyond what provides your with confirmation bias, and what 'fact checked' information you find.

[marty351]

Originally Posted by Romulus

No, we were all for vaccines up until my son at 10 weeks of age nearly died from his 8 week shots. Satisfied?

The problem with you low IQ folk is you believe the garbage peddled by Mockingbird media and you consume it like the good lemmings you are.

It's patently clear from your ramblings your incapable of doing research beyond what provides your with confirmation bias, and what 'fact checked' information you find.

So your son had a reaction to a vaccine. Does that mean everyone will have a reaction to a vaccine? If everyone stopped taking vaccinations, you will watch the human mortality rise through the roof.

[CJR09]

Originally Posted by Romulus

you low IQ folk

Pot kettle black

Originally Posted by Romulus

It's patently clear from your ramblings

You're incapable of rational thought - you've been burned and thats ok - no need for the bigotry holding everyone with such contempt

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Romulus

No, we were all for vaccines up until my son at 10 weeks of age nearly died from his 8 week shots. Satisfied?

The problem with you low IQ folk is you believe the garbage peddled by Mockingbird media and you consume it like the good lemmings you are.

It's patently clear from your ramblings your incapable of doing research beyond what provides your with confirmation bias, and what 'fact checked' information you find.

I admit, you're probably right about the low IQ, but even with low IQ, I can differentiate between the use of your and you're in a simple sentence...smart guy...

[Romulus]

From Twitter RelaxedQLDer

#Perspective #COVID__19 #WuhanVirus

>300,000 cases of influenza in Australia in 2019.

>900 deaths (0.3%) recorded in 2019.

~20,000 cases of influenza so far (before season).

>6000 cases of #WuhanVirus in 2020 here. 60 deaths. $300B+ sucked out of our economy.

Perspective...

[FairmontGS]

Deep state nut job theorists debunked...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-most...virus-debunked


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[GO FURTHER]

If you want to read the actual report published on the 16th March that made Trump change his attitude on Covid-19, you can read it here.

It's fairly technical, but shows what could have happened in the US, if action was not taken.

Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Deep state nut job theorists debunked...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-most...virus-debunked


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“Debunked”..

The first reference is to information provided from the WHO...

Don’t think that will be a source that will settle down alternative theory’s in the current climate.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by FPV8U

“Debunked”..

The first reference is to information provided from the WHO...

Don’t think that will be a source that will settle down alternative theory’s in the current climate.

Agreed.

The photo below is of Tedros Adhanom, Director General of the World Health Organization shaking hands with Chinese President Xi Jinping before a meeting on January 28, 2020 in Beijing, China. Well after the Coronavirus had been released to the entire world. Have a look at the body language and tell me who is the puppy dog here? China has had the W.H.O. under it's thumb for decades.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

China has had the W.H.O. under it's thumb for decades.

Proof?

https://www.skynews.com.au/details/_6149170157001

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by FairmontGS

Deep state nut job theorists debunked...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/the-most...virus-debunked


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Yep, seems legit, it's from a credible source, SBS