I am throwing down the gauntlet!!!

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 01:29 AM

Well tonight I decided to go for it 100% .I am aiming at the 13 second bracket from here on in .My plans will take a few months but I dont see why no one has reached the 13 second bracket.All the dilly dally ,dancing girls and then what? No ones done it.Bah!!

Will I do it is anyones guess but there you go.Is anyone else trying ?

TwistedEL · 15-10-2006, 01:33 AM

Someone was talking about this a while back now. I think it was Casper? GO FOR IT MAN

Damo · 15-10-2006, 01:59 AM

how do you plan on getting there is the question ? Getting rid or that DEV4 would be the first step.

stiddy · 15-10-2006, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Damo

Getting rid or that DEV4 would be the first step.

I second that!!

Go for it stav.. Good luck..

: time for a rebuild, blower, 4000stall and 4.11's

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DOC · 15-10-2006, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by useless

.All the dilly dally ,dancing girls and then what? No ones done it.Bah!!

Well stav, wind that puppy up and slap it on the ar$e, and lets see it dance the quick step down the qtr.

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JC · 15-10-2006, 03:26 AM

Essiest way to get there is via Turbo. Low boost snort kit works out roughly the same cost as doing heaps of NA work, but car will be less stressed and more reliable and streetable. A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable). A 13 second Turbo I6 would be a doddle when you want to be, and quick when unleashed.

GK · 15-10-2006, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

Essiest way to get there is via Turbo. Low boost snort kit works out roughly the same cost as doing heaps of NA work, but car will be less stressed and more reliable and streetable.

A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable). A 13 second Turbo I6 would be a doddle when you want to be, and quick when unleashed.

Quite good points I reckon. Having a daily driver with a double personality would be awesome!

I know Casper's after all that in NA form and good on him for going for it, but there's nothing wrong with going the turbo route either IMO!

All the best with your decisions!

GK

OED666 · 16-10-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JC

A 13 second NA I6 would be an animal to drive on the streets (read, not comfortable).

My car is completely streetable, see sig for qtr time... My little brother is learning to drive in it... The difference with useless is that his is an Auto. It will be awesome when an Auto, N/A 6 is in the 13's.

JC · 17-10-2006, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by OED666

My car is completely streetable, see sig for qtr time... My little brother is learning to drive in it... The difference with useless is that his is an Auto. It will be awesome when an Auto, N/A 6 is in the 13's.

Sorry, and it's not that I don't believe you or anything, but what real compromises do you make or little things do you tell to yourself to determine that it is "completely streetable"? And I'm not having a go at you in particular. As an example, I could say my car runs great on LPG (if I ignore the very lumpy idle). See what I mean - if I left the bit in brackets out, no-one would be the wiser, and I could just claim that my car runs as well on LPG as it does on petrol, and that statement is true for every single instance - apart from when it's idling.

Anyway, now I will say something personal to you - great time! The same engine/power/trans/diff combo in an AU would not be as quick due to extra weight, so maybe you can see why I'm sceptical about a totally streetable NA AU I6 in the 13s. Turbo costs the same/less, and is more user friendly and reliable (at low boost), and will see 13s easily.

My own opinion is that once you start to modify (ie change the car from unopened) looking for outright speed, you might as well do it properly. Any other way is just a waste of money, or maybe just to give bragging rights for a particualr class (ie fastest AU NA opened but non-turboed, but edited....de da de da de da), but at what cost to the useability of the car? Keeping in mind that useless wagon is his work car, and family hack too. Of course, should he reach his target, I will be buying ahead for him to port, and try any of the many other tricks he has thrown at the beast. I would love to scare V8s in my 6, but to be honest, I don't have the time or the money to chop approx 3 seconds off my 1/4 mile time!

OED666 · 17-10-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by JC

Sorry, and it's not that I don't believe you or anything, but what real compromises do you make or little things do you tell to yourself to determine that it is "completely streetable"?

its easy to drive, not a real pig at all. who in brisbane wants to have a drive of my car... (i might see a few hands now. :P)

Racecraft · 17-10-2006, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by OED666

its easy to drive, not a real pig at all. who in brisbane wants to have a drive of my car... (i might see a few hands now. :P)

I agree with OED ... his cam is large but it is tuned correctly and idles as sweet as a button..Same goes for shifter and clutch selection.. Brisbane only has 3 major 100km/h zones . The gateway, Western Freeway and the m1 to the coast so unless you frequent those roads the diff gears are not an issue.. My car is way more 'streetable' with the 3.7's than it was with the 3.08 or 3.45. Brisbane traffic is no where near as painfull as some places so even flicking the stick on a manual isn't a huge drama even in peak hour

I dont think 'streetable' on the i6 from an engine point of view is really a problem, it is more where you go in relation to the posted limits and how many rpm you cruise at.

1TUFFUTE · 30-10-2006, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by OED666

its easy to drive, not a real pig at all. who in brisbane wants to have a drive of my car... (i might see a few hands now. :P)

im pretty sure i was reading a thread a while ago, an it said(by the guy who put your au xr engine in) that it did run like a pig. but that may have been out of context. But on a similair note and to be fair i have seen your car driven by someone else and in less than 100m it stalled 3times. Aswell as leaving a rather rich exhuast trail down the road. Now thats what i would expect from a car doing high 13secs

I think its fair to say a 13sec 4.0 auto will make the front page, cant wait...if its not me

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Casper · 15-10-2006, 07:17 AM

Dan got Mals old AU into the 12's ages ago. All been done before with turbo's etc. Its a 13 second NA that I'm interested in.

dansedgli · 15-10-2006, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Dan got Mals old AU into the 12's ages ago. All been done before with turbo's etc. Its a 13 second NA that I'm interested in.

*cough* 11's *cough*

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Good luck with it Stav!

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 11:03 AM

Thanks Casper had to check if it is ok to show my gauntlet

Sapper · 15-10-2006, 11:11 AM

'On ya useless! Hopefully you'll put the I6 where it belongs and reveal the secret to unlocking its potential! A tech doco for it would be cool when you get there...

ratter · 15-10-2006, 11:22 AM

Good luck with your endeavours, I can relate as I chased my quest to become the first unopened Boss into the 11's, a quest that many thought would not happen as it was only months earlier people were trying to get a Boss into the 12's.

Good luck

Racecraft · 15-10-2006, 07:47 AM

I'm hoping for 13.9999999999 with 7.5psi boost from my Powerdyne... that would do me and my poor t5 too :P

Casper · 15-10-2006, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Racecraft

I'm hoping for 13.9999999999 with 7.5psi boost from my Powerdyne... that would do me and my poor t5 too :P

With a 15 flat NA I think you will get a pleasent suprise then. Mid 13's are more likely once the blower is on.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 09:23 AM

I am after 13 second normally aspirated guys. My pb before my pb was 15.192. !! All i did was an intake and a hybrid 3/ 2/1/2 inch exhaust which I designed ,then retune and was running consistent 14.8's and pb of 14.77 and the new lsd was rooted and being a single spinner. .The difference is .422 of a second with no engine changes.

Dyno readings though..I dont trust them at all.With both of my progressive pb's the car dynoed at the same dyno with 131 rwkws despite a .422 second difference. On croydens dyno I pulled 147.8 rwkws at the same times.I am aiming at 160 on this dyno.
My gtech has been the best predictor of my times by the 0-100 readings.For me to run a 13.8-13.77 my gtech should give me an unstalled time 0-100km of 6.53 seconds.
The dev 4 cam is an awesome cam when tuned right.It took 3 different ones to tune my car to make it work perfectly. This motor now is the second motor in the car and is a crap au2 motor.I know the au1's definately get the better cylinder heads.Despite this the wagon is great fun to drive and just flies whe I plant it.I even still think of not doing it at all cause its so bloody good.

I dont believe that I have to rebuild the engine to get into the 13's or as near as .The head is half finished and I ported it myself from a porting book.
My engine is taking water in so its time to pull my finger out for the fateful day the au dies with a head gasket leak.

I am looking at this a few ways..I can leave the cam,do the head.I can get a bigger cam and go for more mph .
Or I can do the head and new cam.Or I can replace the head bolts before the gasket leak and the car will last for a few more years.

The dev 4 is a power plant which gets up to 99 mph on manual cars.So this is more than enough to do a 13.For true power comparison to an auto xr6 with xorst my dev 4 pulls 6-7 more rwkws on the same day same dyno.

The only difference to this car as to others is it is a genuine work/family car.It wont be getting gears that annoy me at freeway speeds nor a cam which idles like its having a heart attack.It is my goal to have comfort and power..not a full drag setup on the street so a manual is out!!

I may do the head and see if the dev 4 likes it first.If it doesnt talk dirty to me then in goes something else.

Casper · 15-10-2006, 09:44 AM

Get that new head on, a retune and get to the track Stav. Lots of us are interested in the results.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 09:55 AM

The results will hopefully be good.Alot have gone backwards with thoughts of granduer. I will take my time with it because as you know it all costs money and time to get it right.The immediate work I am thinking without doing the head could be a simple 600 dollar exercise. I wont say I will do a 13 second pass but I have a goal of 13 seconds in my heart because I think its doable..this is my goal.

To do mods then rush is a bad way to do it.If somethiing does work gtech will tell me.It is a hard judge that gtech but its a truthful one.It tells me if I have stuffed up or not.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 10:14 AM

I really really dont like being overtaken by m3 bmw's or manual turbo xr6t's..I have got to do this. :evilking:

Casper · 15-10-2006, 10:22 AM

I've found your gauntlet

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**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 10:30 AM

If it works then it will be installed mate.On the back to wave goodbye to those behind me...lol

Maybe with a motor in the middle finger ,switch in the front so that I can occasionally give them the finger

Bucknaked · 15-10-2006, 10:23 AM

Buy a V8.

Sourbastard · 16-10-2006, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucknaked

Buy a V8.

buy a polarizer.

jonbays · 15-10-2006, 11:08 AM

13.99 type 13's from a N/A AU!!

It's not so easy for a street registered daily driver. Not for a heavy LWB wagon.

you have been real lucky to get half second improvemnets at a time mostly its tenths backward and two tenths forward stuff.

If you keep the wagon streetable its just too heavy and you will need more power than is likely N/A.

**Stav** · 15-10-2006, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jonbays

13.99 type 13's from a N/A AU!!

It's not so easy for a street registered daily driver. Not for a heavy LWB wagon.

you have been real lucky to get half second improvemnets at a time mostly its tenths backward and two tenths forward stuff.

If you keep the wagon streetable its just too heavy and you will need more power than is likely N/A.

Jonbays its not only the power.Its the setup.Guys have to concentrate on the fattest power in the usable range.No point having alot of power were it cant be used/

jonbays · 15-10-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by useless

Jonbays its not only the power.Its the setup.Guys have to concentrate on the fattest power in the usable range.No point having alot of power were it cant be used/

I know your setup is tops beats my wagon over the qtr hands down but i still reckon my engine is giving me more power just can't get it where i need it when i want it.