One Punch Kills

BENT_8 · 04-01-2013, 12:30 AM

Help me guys,
I know street fighting has been going on since cocky was an egg, but whats with the recent spate of fatalities as a result of this cowardly violence.
There was a time when a blue was settled between two people who would face off against each other knowing what was coming.
Now its a king hit on some poor bugger who is none the wiser often resulting in serious permenant injury or death.

We had a case here recently where a bloke on a working visa was killed by one punch on the eve of his departure home.
He went to help break up a fight when he was turned upon and knocked unconscience falling to his death.
I've been following the story in the media and have discovered that the perpetrators legal team is trying to shift the blame back on to the deceased guy and lessen their clients sentence.

I find it appauling that you can king hit someone resulting in their death and plead to a lesser charge of manslaughter or causing greivous bodily harm.
When as a society are we gonna tire of these thugs and force the judicial system to hold these guys accountable.
It astonishes me that you can get away with killing someone so long as you didnt actually cause the fatal blow, that it is contact with the ground that did it, and thats good enough to lessen the charge.

I remember when Hookesy was killed and everyone was up in arms about it, sure the guy was a loud mouth and had a decent ego, but did he deserve to lose his life over it.
We are hearing of these incidents every week and it is getting worse.
The incident in victoria this week appears to have come about without any provocation and was nothing more than a cowardly attack by some hero who was last seen cowering in the back of a squad car.
Not such a hero now.
Everytime i see one of these tough guys feeling sorry for themselves i wish they'd throw em in the ring with the Danny Greens or Anthony Mundines of the world, just to show them how tough they really are.

These scumbags should be doing 8 to 10 mandatory, without parole.

As a father, the direction society is heading in this country scares the crap out of me.
My eldest son's not a fighter, he'd rather walk away, but this is quite often when the hero's pounce causing the greatest damage.

jaydee · 04-01-2013, 01:56 AM

Because it's happened so many times now, these scum bag lawyers shouldn't be able to use the defence that it was not a forseeable consequence that he would die.
It is of course a foreseeable consequnce because of its regularity.
Lock the scum up.

2011G6E · 04-01-2013, 02:44 AM

Because, basically, in "the good old days", two guys went outside, faced each other off, threw a few punches, and that was probably it.

Now heroes sneak up behind someone after an argument and drive a punch into the back of their head. They say "walk away from an argument or confrontation"...but that's when this sort of thing happens.
Yes, walk away...but back away would be more safe, and keep a close eye on the ***** and his friends as you go.

STINKY NINJA · 04-01-2013, 03:57 AM

Unless your in a situtaion like this you never know, i have been...
Its easy to sit back and throw stones but just wait until you are put in a situation like that and see how you handle it and then judge others accordingley...
there was a case recently where a footballer was hit and knocked out cold with one punch and it turns out he planned to smash the guy who hit him,so the case was thrown out of court, the victims mate dobbed him in for wanting to smash the bloke who punched him and got the charge dropped...
People dont get hit for no reason at all,they just never admit they were being a smart *** at the time.

wrongwaynorris · 04-01-2013, 05:48 AM

" These scumbags should be doing 8 to 10 mandatory, without parole. '

Try LIFE without parole

LTDHO · 04-01-2013, 08:24 AM

They're cowards.

Maka · 04-01-2013, 12:55 PM

Thats todays society for ya! I agree with Bent_8, something has to change. Hopefully the state government's will do something about it asap, i see it as part of a wider problem....

cheers, Maka

Mr Brooksy · 04-01-2013, 01:24 PM

I'm currently holidaying in WA, and have seen ads plastered all over the TV about this kind of thing, mainly from the state government! And to top it all off, each night there seems to be a news report of a brawl resulting in death, fight resulting in death, party that got out of control resulting in a fight resulting in deaths... I thought it was a WA issue... As I haven't seen Newcastle news reporting on anything like this. But after reading the OP's thoughts, its obvious that it isn't just over in the west.

Whatever the case, there's always more than one side to every story... Agreed. But if your actions result in taking the life of another, you deserve what you get. End of story.

Unfortunately though, our society is losing the plot, passing blame, using lawyers to avoid responsibility. The list goes on...

STINKY NINJA · 04-01-2013, 01:35 PM

The truth of the matter is when a one punch situation happens and nobody dies or gets seriuosly hurt its just classed as a fight/assault incident,in some unlucky cases the person falls and sustains injuries to the head or just cant take a decent puch and they die as a result.Its a line ball situation where it could go either way and unfortunately sometimes people die.
As in any fight scenario,the worst can happen and in 1 out of 100 maybe it can,does it make the person throwing the first punch a killer,maybe in the eyes of stonethrowers yes it does but i firmly believe its the luck of the draw.
I guess in a few very minute cases the guy hitting may be mentally challenged and just punch a guy out of the blue but most times there is some type of verbal,physical wind up to the event and unfortunately sometimes people die from it.
Nobody ever wants the person to die from hitting them...
I can see it from the other side and like i said until you are put in a situation like that you should never judge because you just have no idea.

XWGT · 04-01-2013, 01:48 PM

I dont htink people are talking about the first punch in a 2 people aware confrontation TE 220

They (and I ) are talking about the cowardly ambush king hit, especially from behind, that people now seem to find an acceptable way to behave.

In those situations it should be murder and bye bye for a long long time

xisled · 04-01-2013, 02:06 PM

This has been happening for many years. People going to hospital and such for one punch. The only difference is, that due to the police telling everyone they are cracking down on it, you see it everywhere, on the news, in papers and on the internet.

I do not think the problem is any worse, I just think it has a a lot more of media attention now.

The main reason for more attention is YouTube, more security cameras and mobile phone camera's. People in the last 5 years now have access to a video camera that is with them 24/7. Before the mobile phone video camera, not many of these would have been recorded unless there was a video camera.

The main reason for more attention, is youtube, more secruity camera's and mobile phone camera's. People in the last 5 years now have access to a video camera that is with them 24/7. Before the mobile phone video camera, not many of these would have been recorded unless there was a video camera.

2011G6E · 04-01-2013, 02:08 PM

Then it's up to the clown getting the "physical or verbal wind-up" to let it go and walk away as well and not just lash out...

If you haven't got the self control to not start a fight, even if badly provoked, then stop going to places where you are likely to get provoked and do everyone a favour.

Dash_XR · 04-01-2013, 02:16 PM

I agree with xisled, it's only "getting worse" because it happens to be in the news at the moment.

I'd like to see some proof of a significant increase before I jump on the bandwagon.

EgoFalcon · 04-01-2013, 02:17 PM

I love this show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxW8TLtUMfM

H.G · 04-01-2013, 02:32 PM

every fight Ive been in from the age of 16 has been when drinking.. so maybe thats an issue to look into..

last blue I ever had.. (10 years ago) I was just as big of a drunken smart *** as the guy I got into it with.. problem was.. when it came to blows.. each time I took a swing at old mate.. his mate would run in from behind me and wack me in the back of the skull.. so Id turn to face him and wack.. another hit the back of the head.. I think I copped about 6 before I was dragged away.. If I was sober Id never of gotten myself into that situation. flame me all you want.. but you cannot tell me alcohol is not a factor in the majority of cases... wether its the drunk person being the aggressor or the drunk becoming the easy victim for a mugging.

Go to a rodeo.. or a bike show etc.. the blues start when the booze is about to get cut off.. and people ( I for one do not declare innocence in this situation) are 10 foot tall and bullet proof and are ****ed off because they havent picked up a random, Or need to fill that inferiority complex with a violent showcase for their peers.

BENT_8 · 04-01-2013, 03:07 PM

I dont doubt TE220, that in many situations it can be a case of self defence, where unfortunately a single hit can do un forseen damage.

What gets me is the ferocious intent behind the bashings which have elevated to a whole new level.
In years gone by if you had a blue you slugged it out until someone backs down. It seems like today that every fight must have a clear victor and the enemy should be crushed without mercy.

Its as though society has become one big c.ock fight where every result must come at a devaststing price, where the ability to impress yourmates takes precedence over human life.

Kill, or be killed mentality

I dont see why anyone would want to go out of their way to inflict such harm to a stranger just because they happened to cross paths.

Something needs to happen to change this mentality, a precedence needs to be set where society will no longer tolerate this random violence and someone needs to pay.

Is sick of hearing excuses about them either being angels and totally out of character, or having a tough upbringing with drugs and alcohol blamed.

The way i see it, unless you are acting with self preservation at stake, any fight which is unprovoked, or nothing more than an escalation of a verbal exchange, resulting in maiming or death, should be dealt with as though it were premeditated and murder charges should apply.

Destroyer XR8 · 04-01-2013, 03:29 PM

It is starting to get worse, was out on new years in a club and some guy just walked up to my mate and told him he was dead, still cant figure out what his problem was, but obviosly we went to see what was happening next thing i know theres about 7 of them against 4 of us things settled abit and when i turned around one of them kicked me in the back of the leg, i turned around and hes was screaming in my face and all the usuall crap, but somehow everyone calmed down again and we got out of there. I just dont see why they thought they were so tough when we were out numbered.

**MercurySilver** · 04-01-2013, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TE 220

Unless your in a situtaion like this you never know, i have been...
Its easy to sit back and throw stones but just wait until you are put in a situation like that and see how you handle it and then judge others accordingley...
there was a case recently where a footballer was hit and knocked out cold with one punch and it turns out he planned to smash the guy who hit him,so the case was thrown out of court, the victims mate dobbed him in for wanting to smash the bloke who punched him and got the charge dropped...
People dont get hit for no reason at all,they just never admit they were being a smart *** at the time.

not quite true
we had one over here not long ago
young guy walking down the street minding his own business on the phone, girlfriend beside him
****ed he man big macho guy runs up and king hits him
total stranger
kid hits the deck
dead

so yeah
it does happen

xisled · 04-01-2013, 08:58 PM

I walked into a club a few years ago, Just had got there, walked straight in went through the doors and walked about 5 steps in and this random guy pushes me from behind, I turned around and by the time I turned around the bouncers had tackled him. No idea why he was trying to start something. But random attacks do happen for no reason.

Dusty1 · 04-01-2013, 09:10 PM

Xisled, I agree totally. A lot of idiots get all full of bravado and have to prove how tough they are.

I was walking through the Casino here in Melbourne a couple of years ago, it was about 6 PM and I was going to pick my daughter up after a work function finished which was held upstairs at the casino.

I saw these three young blokes coming towards me laughing and bumping into each other, the tall stupider looking one sees me, and takes about five steps fast towards me and delivers a full hip and shoulder. I didn't go over, and I am a full figured gent, and he jut laughed and kept going with his idiot mates.

I reckon if I had of reacted in any measure they would have been onto me. Interestingly, the guy in Rye was hip and shouldered as well after the person who bask been remanded refused his offer to punch on.

I was 40 at the time and the idiot would have been mid 20s. I've got too much to live for, so I'm unlikely to punch on these days.

Franco Cozzo · 04-01-2013, 09:19 PM

I was walking back to the car during the 2010 Melbourne Cup carnival after I finished working for the day.

Wading through all the drunks staggering up the hill, I was walking down going against the traffic, some drunk smart *** pushes me, so I pushed him back, as we glared at each other and started walking off in opposite directions, he took a swing at the back of my head but missed, I only found out because a workmate a few meters behind me saw.

I shouldn't have reacted as it would have ended quite badly if that punch connected.

03 GHIA · 04-01-2013, 09:31 PM

I've been in a situation where I was walking down the street with 3 friends, talking between ourselves having a good time. 2 guys jump out of the walkway we just passed.
Didn't know what happened, was on the ground before I knew it. Mate was given a broken nose, I was king hit the the back of the head a couple of times.
So yes these events happen even when unprovoked.
Called the cops and reported it, I had the guys names and access to security footage of it, but alas but nothing was done.

Police need to take incidents like these more seriously to discourage this behavior.
It wasn't until 11 months later that I had a phone call from the local police station, asking me to go to court to give my statement against one of the people. Because he did the same to a girl...

SEZ213 · 05-01-2013, 02:42 PM

People need to leave their ego's at home. I find it incredibly sad that someone's life can be taken in an instant because people just don't think about the consequences of their actions and then try to shirk responsibility when they stuff up.

brydie76 · 05-01-2013, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Brooksy

I'm currently holidaying in WA, and have seen ads plastered all over the TV about this kind of thing, mainly from the state government! And to top it all off, each night there seems to be a news report of a brawl resulting in death, fight resulting in death, party that got out of control resulting in a fight resulting in deaths... I thought it was a WA issue... As I haven't seen Newcastle news reporting on anything like this. But after reading the OP's thoughts, its obvious that it isn't just over in the west.

Whatever the case, there's always more than one side to every story... Agreed. But if your actions result in taking the life of another, you deserve what you get. End of story.

Unfortunately though, our society is losing the plot, passing blame, using lawyers to avoid responsibility. The list goes on...

Oh, cowardly stuff like this happens in Newwy, the losers are just lucky they don't kill, only cause serious injury. Male coworker (small guy, so easy target) had his jaw broken with one punch for "looking at my girl" (corroborated by 5 other witnesses as the words out of the loser's mouth), and a female friend was attacked outside a nightclub by a group of men for (politely, but firmly) rejecting one of them (I was there, very scary). One of the special needs teachers at my former high school was attacked a year or so ago too, not the type of guy to ever provoke or cause trouble (don't think he even did anything, may have been trying to break up a fight at worst). He is now permanently brain damaged and unable to work- that one did make the papers, the community in his area and the school rallied around and have been fundraising for him.

It's only the ones that are like the last one that hit the papers, hence why you don't hear as much about it in Newcastle (lower population so hence lower incidence than in capital cities). It does happen, and unlike some others have said, it seems to mostly happen to the good people/ those who did nothing to deserve it. Probably other fights around where people provoke/will settle arguments with punch-ups (their prerogative), but I don't hear much/any of those (probably more to do with the demographic I hang out with- the less "tough" uni professionals, haha!). Still, makes you feel uncomfortable to go out of a weekend because you don't know if you will be randomly targeted, even as a female (and especially when you've had so much surgery/work done to your face already!!!)

Maka · 05-01-2013, 04:07 PM

Ive been in a couple of "situations" like everyone else over the years & i came to the conclusion at the time that its just too dangerous for me to frequent certain places/venues anymore - dont get me wrong i can punch on with the best of them too BUT i didnt want to be in a situation ever were someone COULD die, even accidently.

That was around 15 ago & i dont regret the decision one bit! Then & like now it seems you need a small army of friends to be around you to guarantee your's & your friends safety. Booze is only half of it- gangs of d/h's high on speed actively go out to smash people, back then & now.

Also, a worrying trend of today, alot of kids think its normal to "smash" someone & post it on social media, WTF if someone perish's? - portend to the future? Time will tell i guess....

cheers, Maka

creative · 05-01-2013, 06:32 PM

Myself and 2 mates were just set upon by 3 huge guys after a night out clubbing..... No idea who they were but i ended up against a wall another mate ended sparked out on the floor due to the first swing as they walked past and my other mate.... Well he was in the marines... They picked on the wrong one there. It all ended as he dived in their escape vehicle window and continued to pummel the guy who threw the first punch! What a funny sight that was in hindsight!

Also one of my door lads from the uk ended up doing 6months for assault. His crime... Defending himself. He refused entry to 2 out a group of 3. One guy was sensible, shrugged his shoulders and walked on. The other were threatening to kill ther doorman.. One tried to throw a side punch and in return both were on the floor. One broke his ankle due to the way he fell and the other cracked his head onthe pavement because he was out cold by the time he got there!

The video shows all this, several witnesses confirmed all this including 2 sober guys but he still went down. The problem isnt the scum, its the solicitors and judges that rule!

Maka · 05-01-2013, 08:41 PM

from my previous thread- Also, a worrying trend of today, alot of kids think its normal to "smash" someone & post it on social media, WTF if someone perish's? - portend to the future? Time will tell i guess....

After reading the above again, its meant to read basically as someone will video the assault's then upload to youtube which i have watched at work many times (as a youth worker). My reaction is always the same, disgust while the kids all say thats cool bruz...

cheers, Maka

MDS69 · 05-01-2013, 08:57 PM

Just thinking out loud, I wonder how much MMA/UFC contributes to this with motivation to certain types of individuals. These type of gyms are popping up all over the place.

BOOSTEDGAZ · 06-01-2013, 08:54 AM

as some one who has been actively involved with these clubs you will find all reputable clubs very sternly teach that the ring is the only place unless it is pure self defence. Alot of the guys that have anger and violence problems that join thes gyms are taught how to correctly deal with the problems in a controlled ring environment and most clubs will kick members out or seriously put them in there place in the ring if they find out they are abusing there skills.

Ben73 · 06-01-2013, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TE 220

People dont get hit for no reason at all,they just never admit they were being a smart *** at the time.

Not true. My mate was king hit for no reason.

He was standing on the side of the road talking to someone, a guy walks up without saying anything and king hit him knocking out a number of my mates teeth.
In the end it was a case of mistaken identity. Which is not an excuse. this ****head should be locked up. But of course he is not, he is free to get on with his pathetic life.