Covid 19 -

[prydey]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

Am I the only one or is anybody else going insane over the saturation of preaching by Federal and State Government people

WE GET IT....All they're going to do is drive us mad with frustration with ever more confusing restrictions and closures . Even within the 'rules' it's confusing not least with visiting of family members and such .

All they need to do is sent every household a few key rules to observe on what happens in writing should they be required to self isolate and penalties for breaches of that . Also some commonsense social distancing requirements outside of work and shopping etc needs for the rest of us which is the vast majority.

Also really important IMO is a more respectful acceptance that 99.9% of Australians do understand how dangerous this disease is.

Clearly spell out the penalties of basic rules breaches , but allow us some semblance of normality to use our brains while trying to cope with all of this .

PLEASE !!!!!!!!!

I don't agree Roddy. I think there are still a lot of people that don't get it and/or just don't care.

Even in your own post you mention 'visiting family' which is fine if they are in need of 'care' but if its just 'socialising' then it comes under non essential travel. People just need to reign it in for a while. Go to work or sit at home and go out only for essential shopping/doc visits etc. Just suck it up. We're all in it together.

I'm not sure people fully understand how lethal the 'potential' is of the virus. Yes, the numbers aren't as bad statistically as other viruses we've had before, but we are only at the beginning. Australia being an island has the potential to handle it better than other larger continents but it relies on everyone doing their bit.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by prydey

I'm not sure people fully understand how lethal the 'potential' is of the virus. Yes, the numbers aren't as bad statistically as other viruses we've had before, but we are only at the beginning. Australia being an island has the potential to handle it better than other larger continents but it relies on everyone doing their bit.

Agreed, you constantly hear and see people make comparisons with the normal yearly flu season to down play the spread and mortality rate of COVID but what they fail to realise is that whilst the normal flu season does infect more and kill more people, it is allowed to spread freely amongst the population whereas COVID is only being kept in check by unprecedented social distancing measures.
If it was allowed the same opportunities to spread as the normal flu, it would be out of control already.

If you look at a world map which highlights the spread and level of outbreak you see that the majority of hard hit countries are just coming out of their Winter months, so the colder northern conditions would assist the virus. We're still on the tail end of a fairly warm, dry Summer/Autumn and so whilst our spread doesn't look anything like those in other regions, we're yet to experience the conditions which bring about our regular flu season.
We are probably lucky that its hit us when it did and not in 3 months as those maps could be quite different without the lead in we've had in Australia.

[Tickford.]

Originally Posted by Bent8

Go outside and live your life... we are being played BIG TIME !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GpFIPL8_tXY

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Agreed, you constantly hear and see people make comparisons with the normal yearly flu season to down play the spread and mortality rate of COVID but what they fail to realise is that whilst the normal flu season does infect more and kill more people, it is allowed to spread freely amongst the population whereas COVID is only being kept in check by unprecedented social distancing measures.
If it was allowed the same opportunities to spread as the normal flu, it would be out of control already.

I was like WTF.. until I realised you both have the same username!
Two members with Bent 8 as their UN, but with views at opposite ends of the spectrum.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by Tickford.

I was like WTF.. until I realised you both have the same username!
Two members with Bent 8 as their UN, but with views at opposite ends of the spectrum.

Lol, they're both me, im just having an each way bet at this stage..

[DOC]

Originally Posted by BENT_8

Lol, they're both me, im just having an each way bet at this stage..

Well, you need to stop arguing with yourself or I am going to have one of you banned.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prydey

I don't agree Roddy. I think there are still a lot of people that don't get it and/or just don't care.

Even in your own post you mention 'visiting family' which is fine if they are in need of 'care' but if its just 'socialising' then it comes under non essential travel. People just need to reign it in for a while. Go to work or sit at home and go out only for essential shopping/doc visits etc. Just suck it up. We're all in it together.

I'm not sure people fully understand how lethal the 'potential' is of the virus. Yes, the numbers aren't as bad statistically as other viruses we've had before, but we are only at the beginning. Australia being an island has the potential to handle it better than other larger continents but it relies on everyone doing their bit.

In our state, the wild west, we probably have the most relaxed rules regarding visiting family. It doesn't need to be essential, it can be for socialising, provided it's direct family and social distancing is practiced. So glad we dont live in a Police state like Pigtoria and NSW.

I don't accept your premise the virus is 'lethal'. Lethal to everyone? Not so, the statistics are proving this. I'm in my late 40's and have zero concern about catching it. I take my daily routine of Vit A, C and D, well above the RDI's ( which are BS), eath healthy, exercise and get sun light. Pretty much everything the government is not telling the public to do.

I'd like to think that those at risk do the right thing and stay at home and practice social isolation. It's the pandering to the minority and vulnerable that's caused the economy to crash. Pretty disgraceful by all accounts and some in MSM are beginning to discuss this. The government better have not over reacted and destroyed the economy based on the advice of false modelling and information from the bed wetters in health agencies. The WHO has proven time and time again to be the fraud organisation it is.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

In our state, the wild west, we probably have the most relaxed rules regarding visiting family. It doesn't need to be essential, it can be for socialising, provided it's direct family and social distancing is practiced. So glad we dont live in a Police state like Pigtoria and NSW.

I don't accept your premise the virus is 'lethal'. Lethal to everyone? Not so, the statistics are proving this. I'm in my late 40's and have zero concern about catching it. I take my daily routine of Vit A, C and D, well above the RDI's ( which are BS), eath healthy, exercise and get sun light. Pretty much everything the government is not telling the public to do.

I'd like to think that those at risk do the right thing and stay at home and practice social isolation. It's the pandering to the minority and vulnerable that's caused the economy to crash. Pretty disgraceful by all accounts and some in MSM are beginning to discuss this. The government better have not over reacted and destroyed the economy based on the advice of false modelling and information from the bed wetters in health agencies. The WHO has proven time and time again to be the fraud organisation it is.

Well you've highlighted you have no idea how a virus works and also have no idea of the reasons behind the restrictions.

It's not about you, or the individual. It's about everyone else.

As for how legal it is, you missed where I said 'potential'.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prydey

Well you've highlighted you have no idea how a virus works and also have no idea of the reasons behind the restrictions.

It's not about you, or the individual. It's about everyone else.

As for how legal it is, you missed where I said 'potential'.

Au contraire chap. It's a virus, not a disease. There's a difference. A virus comes and goes, a disease can last a lifetime. You're right, it's not about me, it is about everyone else. Everyone else who is susceptible to complications should do the right thing (we're all in this together apparently) and isolate. The sick, infirm and elderly should have the support required to avoid contact with the rest of society. The government has handled this back to front, while accepting no responsibility, under the guise of the advice of medical experts.

An interesting article below, apparently one of the most read today.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inq...c5f51346c92051

[smoo]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Au contraire chap. It's a virus, not a disease. There's a difference. A virus comes and goes, a disease can last a lifetime. You're right, it's not about me, it is about everyone else. Everyone else who is susceptible to complications should do the right thing (we're all in this together apparently) and isolate. The sick, infirm and elderly should have the support required to avoid contact with the rest of society. The government has handled this back to front, while accepting no responsibility, under the guise of the advice of medical experts.

An interesting article below, apparently one of the most read today.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inq...c5f51346c92051

Brace yourself cob. The worse is yet to come.

Australia still have 899,970 deaths to go. Well, 900k fatalities was the figure from experts and media last week.

More scaremongering than the 24/7 climate change propaganda machine.

Your link needs a subscription BTW.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by smoo

Brace yourself cob. The worse is yet to come.

Australia still have 899,970 deaths to go. Well, 900k fatalities was the figure from experts and media last week.

More scaremongering than the 24/7 climate change propaganda machine.

Your link needs a subscription BTW.

Remember back in August 2009 when the WHO predicted 2 billion people would be affected by H1N1? As it turned out they were only wrong by 90%.

It's becoming more and more obvious the modelling is wrong, government being fed lies and misinformation from the 'experts'.

Article below.

The Weekend Australian

National coronavirus hysteria will lead to disproportionate suffering.

STEVE WATERSON


I thought of my father, terminally ill with pulmonary fibrosis, when I heard of another victim of coronavirus this week.

He’s confined to his house, alone since my mother died four years ago. He relies on family and friends to shop for him; they wave through the window and leave him food on the doorstep.

I spoke to him as news came in of a 90-odd-year-old woman dying in a nursing home. He’s sick of the isolation and doesn’t want the time left to him to be spent in solitary confinement. His first great-grandchild was born six months ago and he fears he will never see the boy again.

“Look, son, I’m 88 in August,” he said, cheerfully. “I’ve had a good run. Whatever happens to me from now on, it’s not a f..king national tragedy.”

My father’s attitude is, he believes, not uncommon among his contemporaries, who understand the tough reality of old age. As he put it, with his winning sarcasm, “These people in nursing homes aren’t exactly snatched away in the prime of their lives, are they? Half of them don’t know they’re there, don’t even recognise their children when they visit.”

It’s brutal, but I’m sure he’s right. If you’re in an aged-care facility you’re not waiting to be discharged and sent home in a few weeks. You’re on your way out, and the exit’s probably not that far away. Coronavirus is speeding up the process, and it must feel overwhelming to the medical staff on the frontline. Which is precisely why they shouldn’t be making the decisions.

The health of a nation is not the sum of the health of its citizens. We require doctors and nurses to focus on their patients, but politicians need to take a broader view of the myriad components of a functioning, worthwhile society.

Sarcasm aside, when did life move from being precious to priceless? We lost 20 people to the disease in March. In the same month we lost another 13,000 or so to other ailments and accidents, but let’s not worry about them.

As more facts emerge about the virus, it looks as though it does most harm to the chronically sick or the elderly, as do most respiratory diseases. And when old age is combined with a pre-existing serious illness, you’re in real danger. So the high-risk group would be wise to take all precautions, withdraw from society if they wish, and resurface when there’s a vaccine. We could devote enormous resources to looking after them.

Instead, we are asking the healthy, most of whom will be no more than inconvenienced by this latest strain of flu, to sacrifice or cripple themselves, their livelihoods, their children’s future, to preserve people whose own future is already precarious and limited. Has anyone checked with the elderly, who tend to have a more sanguine outlook, to see if this eco*nomic suicide is what they want?

As individuals it’s excruciating to assign a value to human life, and happily few of us are obliged to do so; but as a society we make those calculations all the time. Our highway speed limit is 110km/h; we could reduce that to 20km/h and watch the fatalities tumble, but the inconvenience would be intolerable. We let people swim and surf (at least we used to) from wild, unpatrolled beaches, and sadly accept some of them will drown, measuring the pleasure of millions against the misfortune of a few.

We are always managing risk, but suddenly in this panic no risk, to anyone, is acceptable.

Even news organisations have adopted this position, their HR departments issuing earnest communiques that declare “the health and wellbeing of our employees is our paramount priority”. Sorry, since when? As part of my job I have been sent, and sent others, to war zones — yes, with bombs and bullets — to bring our readers the news. That’s what I thought our priority was as journalists. Now half my colleagues in the media have emerged as trembling amateur epidemiologists, scouring the online world to find the youngest and healthiest victim to ramp up the terror and prove this disease attacks anyone, not just the old and sick, when that’s manifestly not the case.

As Carl Heneghan, professor of evidence-based medicine at the University of Oxford, said last week, “people with no comorbidities can relax; you may feel funny but the mortality is incredibly low. The wider question is how we best manage people with comorbidities and keep them safe and out of hospital.” So far our leaders’ answer is to paralyse the country and the prospects of everyone in it.

In Sweden, never thought of as a nation of daredevils (they’re so safe they gave us ABBA and Volvos), the vulnerable are sequestered and cared for. They might have to sit things out until a vaccine is developed, while the rest of the people are visiting restaurants and bars, more or less as usual. So far it seems to be working.

No such luck here, though. Our reckless, hysterical governments tumble over each other to impose ever more ridiculous constraints on our liberty, supported by police forces that interpret their authority in a fashion sinister and absurd at the same time. And they have the audacity to quote “the Anzac spirit” as they order fit young men to cower in their trenches.

Some of us are not surprised that our elected leaders and their unelected enforcers have been found wanting, but what really shakes your faith in society is how meekly their ludicrous commands have been obeyed. Did anyone real*ly think more than 500 people at Sydney’s Bondi Beach represent a threat? And if so, why the same 500 limit around the corner at Tamarama’s beach, a fraction of the size? And why a zero limit now? Why can’t a solo sunbaker lie on the grass in a park without a police car moving him on? Why can’t a boat owner take a run up the coast? Why can I only buy “essential” goods? Will PC Plod soon be inspecting my shopping bags for truffles and Toblerone?

Save your comments; I know there will be plenty of people rushing to justify any extreme measure that “saves someone’s life”. The curtain-twitchers are busy in Britain, dobbing in neighbours who leave their houses twice a day or have their girlfriend over. They’ve adapted to their police state very comfortably. Fortunate, perhaps, that Churchill’s World War II promise that “we will fight them on the beaches” was never tested.

The driver of this madness is that the data we are working with, as has been pointed out by many epidemiologists, is fundamentally flawed. If we don’t know how many people have been infected, we don’t know the mortality rate. One of our panic-stricken pollies was on the radio on Monday warning people that even if they felt fine, they could be walking around spreading the disease. A disease with no symptoms that doesn’t make you ill? Terrifying.

But those symptom-free people will never be counted, just as all the people who have avoided burdening the hospital system with their minor coughs and sore throats will never be counted, so the mortality rate is inflated. So too in Italy and Spain, where everyone who dies with the disease is recorded as dying from it, no matter whether they have been wiping their feet on death’s doormat for months.

You don’t need to be good at maths or medically trained to realise all these numbers are wickedly inaccurate. If the infection can manifest itself with mild symptoms or none, how on earth can we declare how many are infected? How many run-of-the-mill flu infections go uncounted each year? I’ve never been sufficiently troubled by a cold or flu to go to the doctor, so I’ve never featured in any statistics. Perhaps I’m freakishly lucky, but I doubt it.

Instead we have a simple division sum, but one where the denominator may be out by a factor of a hundred, or a thousand. If one in every 12 people infected dies, that’s a nightmare. One in every 1200, with 99 per cent of them already gravely ill and of advanced age, it’s not so frightening. And are the millions thrown out of work a price worth paying?

John Ioannidis, professor of medicine and epidemiology at Stanford University in the US, believes if we hadn’t counted and tested this new COVID-19 separately from ordinary colds and flu (and the scary sci-fi name doesn’t help), “we might have casually noted that flu this season seems to be a bit worse than average”.

He may be wrong, but what is certain is that for many of our fellow citizens, this will be the year everything they’ve worked so hard for — their businesses, their savings, their jobs and dignity, their marriages, their sanity, their hopes and dreams and joy — evaporated.

One day we’ll emerge blinking into the economic wasteland we have wilfully created, but next year winter will come around again, and with it more flu, no doubt with another horror mutation.

So what will we do then? You can only kill yourself once.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Au contraire chap. It's a virus, not a disease. There's a difference. A virus comes and goes, a disease can last a lifetime. You're right, it's not about me, it is about everyone else. Everyone else who is susceptible to complications should do the right thing (we're all in this together apparently) and isolate. The sick, infirm and elderly should have the support required to avoid contact with the rest of society. The government has handled this back to front, while accepting no responsibility, under the guise of the advice of medical experts.

An interesting article below, apparently one of the most read today.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/inq...c5f51346c92051

Excess vitamins will not help you. If you think they will then I have a bridge for sale.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prydey

Excess vitamins will not help you. If you think they will then I have a bridge for sale.

You can stick to Rockefeller based medicine, I'll give natural treatment a go. We've survived as a human race since the beginning of time with viruses around, I'll take my chances. Good luck to you chap nevertheless.

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

You can stick to Rockefeller based medicine, I'll give natural treatment a go. We've survived as a human race since the beginning of time with viruses around, I'll take my chances. Good luck to you chap nevertheless.

vitamins are good for you. i agree. however i said 'excess' vitamins will offer no benefit. the body only uses what it needs. The rest will just end up as expensive urine, or just a waste of money.

However, they won't prevent you getting the virus. They won't prevent you spreading the virus.

As for the survival rate, you might want to research how many die when there is no vaccine and no attempt to reduce community transmission.

If you want to listen to the non 'official' so called experts and their modelling on main stream media and social media, then that's on you but the govt have been pretty good in keeping people updated with the facts. To my knowledge they aren't the ones with the scaremongering 'what if' scenarios and modelling.

So while you may feel healthy and fine and think its not going to bother you, it may bother those you come in contact with. While statistically it appears to affect one age group more than others, that doesn't mean younger healthier people aren't dying from it. Just because they haven't yet in australia doesn't mean they won't. Perhaps that is just credit to the govt measures in place. Vulnerable people are not just old people or 'sick and infirmed' people either.

Its easy to look at the numbers and think 'oh, its not that bad,more people die from....' but it ignores the measures implemented to prevent it being worse.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prydey

Excess vitamins will not help you. If you think they will then I have a bridge for sale.

Perhaps this hour long video from Dr Shiva might shed some light on your misinformed opinion. I'm not blaming you, you're a victim of the official narrative from government 'health' and big pharma.

https://youtu.be/k05b8aGDCNI

[prydey]

Originally Posted by Romulus

. I'm not blaming you, you're a victim of the official narrative from government 'health' and big pharma.
]

Wrong. My daughter does nutrition and diatetics. The role vitamins play is fairly well established.

If you have a healthy diet (which we do) then most, if not all of the vitamins you need are taken care of. Yes, being healthy will help you fight any virus you get. It won't stop you dying though if you get something bad enough. Not to mention if you have a compromised immune system.

[xxx000]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Perhaps this hour long video from Dr Shiva might shed some light on your misinformed opinion. I'm not blaming you, you're a victim of the official narrative from government 'health' and big pharma.

https://youtu.be/k05b8aGDCNI

Can i genuinely ask what is 'little pharma' then?

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by prydey

I don't agree Roddy. I think there are still a lot of people that don't get it and/or just don't care.

Even in your own post you mention 'visiting family' which is fine if they are in need of 'care' but if its just 'socialising' then it comes under non essential travel. People just need to reign it in for a while. Go to work or sit at home and go out only for essential shopping/doc visits etc. Just suck it up. We're all in it together.

I'm not sure people fully understand how lethal the 'potential' is of the virus. Yes, the numbers aren't as bad statistically as other viruses we've had before, but we are only at the beginning. Australia being an island has the potential to handle it better than other larger continents but it relies on everyone doing their bit.

I can honestly say I haven't met anybody yet who doesn't care..Possible exception is little kids ,and only because they just don't comprehend it . My point is ...keep it simple . don't flood us with never ending facts and warnings because IMO that'll cause the sensory overload and the attitude in the finish that it's it all getting a bit much to pay any attention and switch off altogether. Not yet of course but what if this bombardment of stuff goes on for six months or more.? It's got to be handled with a lot of care and attention to prolonged periods of the inability to have something like a bit of normality . Can you see my long term concern in that regard ?

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

I can honestly say I haven't met anybody yet who doesn't care..Possible exception is little kids ,and only because they just don't comprehend it . My point is ...keep it simple . don't flood us with never ending facts and warnings because IMO that'll cause the sensory overload and the attitude in the finish that it's it all getting a bit much to pay any attention and switch off altogether. Not yet of course but what if this bombardment of stuff goes on for six months or more.? It's got to be handled with a lot of care and attention to prolonged periods of the inability to have something like a bit of normality . Can you see my long term concern in that regard ?

I get where you're coming from Roddy, but its up to the individual how much they let in.
From my own perspective I was captivated by it to a certain degree, in the beginning I was watching every announcement made and the Fox COVID channel was on constantly, I've since toned it down a bit as much of it is either irrelevant to my part of the country or the same old stuff on a loop.
My Wife was over it after a week, every time she saw the COVID channel on she'd roll her eyes and walk out of the room.
I guess that's the beauty of choice, for those who want to keep up 24/7 theres a dedicated channel and for those who don't you just switch off, its easier with Fox, especially since they've opened up all their channels for no extra cost.
I think so long as someone in you're close knit group is keeping up to date with the changes which have certainly slowed down in the last week or so, then you can keep informed without the saturation.