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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/nat...-1225895839663
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Unfortunately with our pathetic Governments who only want money but not spend any, this will probably be brushed aside.
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How about ther government and Ubisoft (or another games company) make a sim style driver teaching "game" for PSP, nintendo DS etc - that way kids get an idea of car control (albeit via a button pad), but the game should end if the driver crashes, and doesn't restart til after the "game funeral". Just an idea (never said it was a good one though!)
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Nothing wrong with a simulator at all. That's how they train pilots before they even start to fly a revenue flight.
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I have always said this should happen through the schools but red tape would kill off the idea ... OHS would have a field day with that and insurance ....but the more high profile people getting behind the idea it might just happen.
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Drink = No
Vote = No Full Time employment = No Operate a 1.8 Tonne Machine with the capacity to Kill = Yes. WTF is he thinking?
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Allot of schools in melb are already doing these driver ed courses as part of their curriculum.. and have been doing it for years..
A friends kid did a full 2 day driver ed course in year 10 before most even had their learners.. then refresher workshops during the rest of the year.
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While its great to see people like Alan pushing the "driver ed in schools" angle its certainly no "revelation".. its been happening in schools for ages. While not all secondary schools embrace it completely most do. If your kids school doesn't do this kind of thing then the parents committee needs to hammer their Principle.
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Ok that is two high profile people pushing this idea.
Moffat has obviously observed the reaction to Skaife and made no mention of speed limits or anything else that may be perceived as a threat to "road revenue". Brilliant idea really. Myself and most of my school friends were driving and riding motorcycles from about 12 years old and strangely all of us passed our licenses first go after only 2 weeks on learners (in manual cars with no power steering or power brakes and the handling of a brick resting on marbles). I am not so sure about the simulator idea for ab initio training though, the concept of loss of control that may lead to a fatal crash can be fixed by pressing reset is NOT a good idea. I fly and never went anywhere near a sim until I was doing instrument training several years after passing my first license test. You cannot simulate the real world in 3 dimensions (yet). |
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Oh another "EX" racer pushing driver ED
Skaise,Gardner,Now Moffat Whos next The main thing ive heard thats 1,000% correct,that needs to be replaced is Parents teaching their kids BAD driving habits |
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Thats got to be the most narrow minded thinking yet ,,,so sad.
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for so many years we didnt hear boo out of Mr Moffat... i think its great he's finally having his say on a few topics... Mr Moffat bloody legend, true champion!!!
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Teaching "children" how to drive? That sentence alone should be ringing alarm bells. Not all children have the cognitive ability to perform certain tasks or behave in certain ways because their minds haven't fully developed (in males they don't fully mature until age 24!!). When was the last time you were in a classroom with a group of year 8 or year 9 students? I learned to drive on the farm when I was 11, but it didn't make it any easier when I went for my licence (except for slow speed maneuvres), and for the first few months I dreaded driving in traffic because I hadn't had enough experience on the road as an L plater, even though I knew perfectly well how to control a car on dirt roads, at high speed, in the mud etc.
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At my Secondry school in Year 11 we all had options of different educational activities to do for a week before the end of one of the Terms, one of these was drivers Ed, Those who had L plates obviously were out on the road and those who were still too young ie, not yet 16,that would be me
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I had some driver training in high school. It was in the early 90's, it was an optional course for an hour a week for a month or so, in an old manual Gemini, with one of the teachers, off the road in controlled conditions. Hardly what Moffat is talking about, but I think it was beneficial. It was the first time I'd ever driven a manual car, and I still remember and use some tips given to me in those classes.
I think its a great idea. 12 years old might be a little young. Start it at 15 or 16, when the student is able to get their L's, and tie it in with the licenseing system - make passing the course compulsory before obtaining a probationary license. |
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obviousely the kids would be under supervision, so there is no issue there, extra life skills or not? it seems like a no brainer, 10 points to the Moff.
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He instigated their driver eduction program back then ! The school bought a second hand car, and he was a qualified driving instructor too, so they got small weekly lessons before sitting for the L's (don't know if its continued) I think its a great idea... not all kids are going to want to do it but everyone should start off driving a manual I learn't how to drive on a neighbours Massey Ferguson at the age of 12 around our 2 acre property... by 13 I was riding motorbikes. Last edited by BTTB; 23-07-2010 at 11:15 AM. |
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![]() Should be more worried about police officers who shoot themselves in the leg.
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Old enough to be packed off to a foreign country to fight someone elses war = yes
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Nevermind.
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Here in Australia you have to be 14 to get a gun license (18 to possess in public), below that you are only allowed to shoot under supervision on private property. Quote:
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theres already a lot of kids in australia that learn to drive at an early age.myself and my older sister were driving our '73 escort 2 door manual to the bus stop when we were 11.
just one of the perks of living in rural australia i guess ![]() im all for it,or at least teaching them the theory and road rules side of it at school.
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My 6 year old son has been go karting with me before...
and while go karting is quite different to driving on the road... he had quite a good grasp on how to steer and drive... and after a few laps... even was starting to get the hang of where to place the kart on the road... he has also ridden quad bikes before (and I am far from a motorbike rider) and again has a great concept of how they operate and what to do... whether this means ANYTHING for his future driving skills I have no idea... but I'm sure that it will develop over the years, and if he shows interest in wanting to improve his skills, I will do everything I can to help improve them... I believe they should teach more about road safety at schools (I finished yr12 in 1999 - and can't remember EVER having classes regarding road safety or rules)... The sooner they understand the concepts of driving - the better...
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Moff has a great idea!
I doubt, however, that incar skills would be taught to 12 year olds. I would like to see driver ed. group discussions even if only for 1/2 hr a week in schools for 12-14y.o Discussing things like- Peer pressure and how it impacts inexperienced drivers. bad habits they see in parents/other motorists etc. Attitude towards driving Differentiating between whats appropriate for the road and what needs to be taken to a track. Then get em in cars from 15 at approved training centres with the right attitude. |
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Funny how there is little to no objection about teaching 10 year olds sex ed at school, but even think about putting a 12 year old behind the wheel to learn valuable life skills and theres somehow a massive injustice in the world.
I would rather an 18 yo P plater on the road with up to 6 years supervised driving experience than some self centred know all that has 120 hours that thinks they are the next greatest racing car driver. |
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Well looks like you really are grasphing at all the straws you can get you hands on. .... still so sad I am no kid haven't been for a while and yes I've had kids, its thanks to the great attitude of MY parents getting onto it while I was young that helped me. On a more positive note, I too was taught to drive a manual before the age of 13 on a dirt road in the cane fields, I was fortunate enough to race stock cars at speedway well before I was able to go for a road licence. I firmly believe that while I've never been an expert on professional driving, these did give me a firm learning basis and a great understanding of vechile control and dynamics. Incidently, the first time I did drive on the road I remember still being S*** scared, even though racing and sliding a car sideways into a corner at 100km + on the track was normal, we were all going the same way. Do people remember the episode of Top Gear where James May did the story of young driver training in Finland......food for thought.
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I like others driving from age ten... licence was just a technicality ..this needs to be pushed ,while young the mind can make things second nature .
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