Au Xr6 St

Bucknaked · 04-03-2005, 10:00 PM

I was wondering whether anyone has an article including pics and tech specs of the Au XR6 ST model that they wouldn't mind emailing to moi. I need an article on this special vehicle. I heard there was only 125 made.

Please email to

dwaynewoodhouse@ozemail.com.au

XRQTR · 05-03-2005, 11:09 PM

Whats the deal with the ST, I thought it was just an effort to get rid of the last of the AU Pre BA.
Please enlighten me.

buickman · 06-03-2005, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XRQTR

Whats the deal with the ST, I thought it was just an effort to get rid of the last of the AU Pre BA.
Please enlighten me.

I think it was only cosmetic (18" wheels, leather interior & premium sound & etc) The mechenicals were the same as a VCT XR6. Not sure if brakes were upgraded. Every ST I've seen has been Blueprint colour only.

buickman

neil101 · 06-03-2005, 04:22 PM

The ST model had a 205kw vct motor and the BA irs but basiclly looks the same as a normal XR6, one of my customers has one it's in liquid silver and he say it's thirster than his XR8 it replaced goes good though.

Neil

Casper · 06-03-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by neil101

The ST model had a 205kw vct motor

No it didnt, it had the Std 172kw VCT like every other VCT.

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Originally Posted by neil101

and the BA irs

No it didnt. It had the AU IRS like every other VCT and XR8

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Originally Posted by neil101

but basiclly looks the same as a normal XR6,

Sorry, wrong again. It was fully kittedin the rebel kit, unlike most other XR6's.

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Originally Posted by neil101

one of my customers has one it's in liquid silver and he say it's thirster than his XR8 it replaced goes good though.

Neil

All the VCT's were as thirsty, if not more thirsty than V8's. I know mine certainly is when compared to AU V8's.

Sorry Neil, he has spun you a yarn

The ST model is a "runout special" that was done at the very end of the AU models to get them sold. They were just an optioned up VCT. Basically the rebel kit, 18" rims, MOMO bits and often a sunroof. I think it also came with the top of the line sound as well.
Mechanically....its a bog stock VCT.

neil101 · 06-03-2005, 09:15 PM

Hmm okay not sure about the engine now, but it deffinatly has BA IRS under the back weather he has changed it or not I don't know.
On the std VCT being thirsty I haven't expirenced that.

Thanks for letting me know though

Neil

Casper · 06-03-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by neil101

Hmm okay not sure about the engine now, but it deffinatly has BA IRS under the back weather he has changed it or not I don't know.
On the std VCT being thirsty I haven't expirenced that.

Thanks for letting me know though

Neil

Sorry, it didnt, the BA control blade IRS was never fitted to an AU of any kind. The AU had only one IRS setup. This setup was not changed for the entire life of the AU in any major way.
The VCT ST is just a limited addition VCT, every bit of the running gear from engine, gearbox, suspention etc is entirely the same as every other VCT that rolled off the line from the AU2 onwards and the same as AU1's in all but the brakes (and minor suspension changes to suit).

sbutler · 06-03-2005, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by neil101

The ST model had a 205kw vct motor and the BA irs but basiclly looks the same as a normal XR6, one of my customers has one it's in liquid silver and he say it's thirster than his XR8 it replaced goes good though.

Neil

Wrong, wrong & wrong again, were did you get this crock of sh%t from??
BA IRS not a chance....
205 VCT motor?? yeah right.....
Silver? Blueprint only.....
thirster than a V8I dont think so....

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Casper · 06-03-2005, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sbutler

Wrong, wrong & wrong again, were did you get this crock of sh%t from??
BA IRS not a chance....
205 VCT motor?? yeah right.....
Silver? Blueprint only.....
thirster than a V8I dont think so....

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Well, actually, they are as thirsty as the E Series V8s at least - had an EB Fairmont V8 and my VCT drinks it under the table, agree witht he rest though.

sbutler · 06-03-2005, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Casper

Well, actually, they are as thirsty as the E Series V8s at least - had an EB Fairmont V8 and my VCT drinks it under the table, agree witht he rest though.

I'd just love to know were this info comes from, and how it can be so wrong....

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Casper · 06-03-2005, 09:35 PM

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I'd just love to know were this info comes from, and how it can be so wrong....

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You and me both. I've spent close to 2 years reading, asking and devouring everything I could on the VCT. I know for a fact that there was never a 205kw VCT engine built for a production car, I also know that the IRS is identical to every other VCT, Fairmont Ghia, Fairlane Ghia, LTD, XR8 and even the T series cars in every technical aspect (not including shocks and springs). I personally dont even think the control blade suspension would fit as the AU IRS was a "module" designed to use the same pick up points as the live axle.. the BA IRS is not.

Only thing I will agree with is the VCT drinks like a fish. They like to rev and the car is heavy.. that means they like to drink.

sbutler · 06-03-2005, 09:38 PM

How much more weight than the standard XR6/8?
BTW a mate of a mate has one of them things with a turbo on it. Goes good too......

Casper · 06-03-2005, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by sbutler

How much more weight than the standard XR6/8?

XR8's are a little heavier than the VCT but not that much. Less than 20kg if memory serves me right.

Hard to get a clear number of how much heavier than the Std XR6 HP as I have yet to find an actual offical weight of the VCT. The HP is officially 1530kgs and I think thats understated quite a bit. I would estimate that given the full electrics, IRS and extra bits in the engine the VCT would be carrying at least 50kg more. I would, at a guess, put the VCT at around the 1600kg mark give or take. I'll actually weigh mine one day to find out.

JC · 07-03-2005, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by sbutler

How much more weight than the standard XR6/8?
BTW a mate of a mate has one of them things with a turbo on it. Goes good too......

Impossible - the AU never came out with a turbo option. (insert appropriate smartarse smiley here).

Casper & sbutler, I know you guys already know you're right, but just to confirm, you are both right. I saw the XR6 ST at the MMS in 2001/02, and it had the Azzurros, leather, sunroof, etc, and was not much more $$$ than standard VCT. (about $5k, I think). Essentially, it is the AU XR6 equivalent of the XC Cobra - much like the T3 was the AU series 3 V8 equivalent of the Cobra. You know, just some cheap marketing gimmicks to get rid of the bodyshape - in the case of the T3s, this boiled down to a fancy bodykit and a stroked windsor. OK, that was a joke. Sit down!!! ROFL.

Dark Horse · 07-03-2005, 01:53 AM

Ah yeahs, and I'll add a few more threads to the yarn. The car came out in four colours - Venom, Blueprint, Liquid Silver and Silhouette.

Dark Horse · 07-03-2005, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Casper

XR8's are a little heavier than the VCT but not that much. Less than 20kg if memory serves me right.

Hard to get a clear number of how much heavier than the Std XR6 HP as I have yet to find an actual offical weight of the VCT. The HP is officially 1530kgs and I think thats understated quite a bit.

That I agree with. No matter how light or claimed to be light, the XR6 HP is still a heavy car. I'd place it closer to the 1600 kg mark, but not exceeding.

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Originally Posted by Casper

I would estimate that given the full electrics, IRS and extra bits in the engine the VCT would be carrying at least 50kg more. I would, at a guess, put the VCT at around the 1600kg mark give or take. I'll actually weigh mine one day to find out.

Mmmm, I'd push that closer to the 1700 kg mark. As you say the VCT is only marginally lighter at the front end.

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Originally Posted by JCXR8

I saw the XR6 ST at the MMS in 2001/02, and it had the Azzurros, leather, sunroof, etc, and was not much more $$$ than standard VCT. (about $5k, I think).

And for that extra dough one could've also got a runout AUIII XR8. The ST had a $45k price tag officially, excluding rego, dealer delivery charges and GST.

Casper · 07-03-2005, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Dark Horse

That I agree with. No matter how light or claimed to be light, the XR6 HP is still a heavy car. I'd place it closer to the 1600 kg mark, but not exceeding.

Mmmm, I'd push that closer to the 1700 kg mark. As you say the VCT is only marginally lighter at the front end.

No arguments here, I've suspected that my car is in excess of 1700kgs for a while now. I'll get it on the scales one day.

sbutler · 07-03-2005, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by JCXR8

Impossible - the AU never came out with a turbo option. (insert appropriate smartarse smiley here).

Casper & sbutler, I know you guys already know you're right, but just to confirm, you are both right. I saw the XR6 ST at the MMS in 2001/02, and it had the Azzurros, leather, sunroof, etc, and was not much more $$$ than standard VCT. (about $5k, I think). Essentially, it is the AU XR6 equivalent of the XC Cobra - much like the T3 was the AU series 3 V8 equivalent of the Cobra. You know, just some cheap marketing gimmicks to get rid of the bodyshape - in the case of the T3s, this boiled down to a fancy bodykit and a stroked windsor. OK, that was a joke. Sit down!!! ROFL.

Well !

: I think you already know what I think about this statement....
XC cobra V T3

: ha ha ha

neil101 · 07-03-2005, 08:38 AM

considering I just changed the rear brakes on this ST I know for a fact it has the BA control blade in the ***.
I'm not arguing with you guys they may not have come out with them but this particular one does have it.
It is possible that it was fitted factory Ford have been known to put the next models parts in the last of the previous model, I know for a fact that there were a few of the last ED's fitted with EF engine bbm and all.

Neil

sbutler · 07-03-2005, 08:57 AM

Yeah but mate, the BA is longer in the body & wheel base then the AU so theres no way it can fit!! PICS mate that would clear all this up...
PS.... if your coming on the AFF cruise on Sunday I'll have a look at your car & see what the go is. IF not I'll meet you somewere on sunday morning, and have a geeza.....

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cArSiK · 07-03-2005, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by neil101

considering I just changed the rear brakes on this ST I know for a fact it has the BA control blade in the ***.
I'm not arguing with you guys they may not have come out with them but this particular one does have it.
It is possible that it was fitted factory Ford have been known to put the next models parts in the last of the previous model, I know for a fact that there were a few of the last ED's fitted with EF engine bbm and all.

Neil

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Originally Posted by Casper

...... I personally dont even think the control blade suspension would fit as the AU IRS was a "module" designed to use the same pick up points as the live axle.. the BA IRS is not.......

Casper your correct , once again...!

Part of the reason the AU IRS was so heavy was because of the frame used to mount the unit to the pickup points , which were the same as the live axle points.....Control Blade uses a totally different way to mount to the body than the AU system. Im not saying its not possible , its just not very likely.

James

**FTE217** · 07-03-2005, 11:42 AM

This is interesting regarding the rear end, I like most of you cannot believe the Blade rear end would be on the back of an AU, structure,different shock and mounts you would have to ask why would Ford do this ? Testing ? This is if neil101 is correct ?

I know my AU3 after many times having the front end stripped for the purpose of testing some urethane bushes for a company has BA running gear at the front ie control arms castors etcetec.

As sbutler mentioned pics please ?

loxxr6 · 07-03-2005, 01:52 PM

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That I agree with. No matter how light or claimed to be light, the XR6 HP is still a heavy car. I'd place it closer to the 1600 kg mark, but not exceeding.

For the record my AU HP clocked in at 1540kg @ WSID (incl spare, full tank fuel etc...oh and 200kgs of tools :nutsycuck ).

jonbays · 07-03-2005, 02:05 PM

I will vouch for Loxxr6's kerb weight numbers at Scrutineering at WSID.

I was next up and the AUII Fairmont auto wagon went over at 1650Kg.

The only Ford that could be heavier than mine would be the LWB LTD V8.

The XR8's should be lighter for sure.

By the way Loxxr6 XR6 is an early AUI XR6 so it would be lighter than late model ones with Electric windows etc. It did have a quite full tank though! I had remembered to run mine as low as possible before going out to the Drag strip to try and keep the weight down.

Dark Horse · 07-03-2005, 02:12 PM

True the manuals will be lighter. The autos (which mine is) add another 40kg of weight on top of that plus the power options.

Casper · 07-03-2005, 02:20 PM

I'll weigh mine next time I'm in Geelong at night. See what it gets.

GlennBA · 07-03-2005, 05:14 PM

I saw a blueprint XR6 ST the other day. It was a VCT with a sunroof, azurro's, and leather with a bodykit. Looked sweet as! Blueprint looks excellent on AU's.

sbutler · 07-03-2005, 05:21 PM

All wonderfull but what does this have to do with a BA rear end in an a AU??

buickman · 07-03-2005, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by neil101

considering I just changed the rear brakes on this ST I know for a fact it has the BA control blade in the ***.
I'm not arguing with you guys they may not have come out with them but this particular one does have it.
It is possible that it was fitted factory Ford have been known to put the next models parts in the last of the previous model, I know for a fact that there were a few of the last ED's fitted with EF engine bbm and all.

Neil

I know that none of us can change your mind on this Ba IRS fitted to the AU ST. But the fuel tank is placed different on the BA's. All AU's had the same IRS only difference being the fairmont ghia's, fairlanes, Ltd's & the rare futura's that had the IRS fitted never had the top camber bolts like the XR series.

buickman

b2tf · 07-03-2005, 06:29 PM

Having seen 2 of these things on hoists being worked on at Ford, i can pretty well guarantee there are not many (if any at all) running round with BA IRS in them (no mention of it in the tech sheets for the cars either). It is possible, the trouble is it would never be doucmented i.e. Ford wouldnt tell the owner of the vehicle that has it (assuming it exists). The only way to find out would be to jack it up and have a look.

However, i would think it more likely that any BA spec suspension components would be found in test mules specifically made by Ford for the sole purpose of testing, and thus would never be sold to the public, in fact they'd more likely be destroyed.