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11-06-2010, 11:49 PM
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Hey guys,
Tonight i started the car up and from under the sump area im hearing this noise, its a tick/knock sound, now it only started after i put some of that nulon lifter free up treament stuff in, Would it be possible i have to much oil in the engine for it to handle Here is a video well, http://s649.photobucket.com/albums/u...=Video0017.mp4
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 12:50 AM
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Any one
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 08:54 AM
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Sound like a lifter noise.you might have to replace lifter.Try thicker oil if that don't fix it replace lifter,To much oil wont cause that noise.
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12-06-2010, 09:34 AM
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 09:56 AM
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Remove rocker cover start engine with idle motor disconnected just base idle and find witch one is noisy.a bit messy but it works.
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12-06-2010, 10:09 AM
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Cheers
The treatment stuff obvisouly works
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 10:19 AM
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I havent started the car this morning so i will see how it goes
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 11:14 AM
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So let me get this straight
you had no troubles so you used nulon lifter free up treatment then you had troubles with a noisy lifter?
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12-06-2010, 11:46 AM
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sound like it thind out the oil id be changeing the oil
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12-06-2010, 01:13 PM
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It was working fine before i put the nulon treament stuff in, was running fine at my mechanics on thursday, none of that ticking/knocking sound when i am revving it,
Im using 20w 50 oil, what oil do i change it to
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12-06-2010, 01:16 PM
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so why did you put in the treatment stuff if there was nothing wrong with it?
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12-06-2010, 01:28 PM
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I put the treatment stuff through it, becuase it was sitting before xmas with no oil in it, the motor, so i thought id put that stuff through to clean the bowls of the engine out and get rid of the crap out, and old oil
Obvisouly it cleaned it out agressively and now i have tick tick tick noise, its due for it service next weekend, so ill change the oil, if it doesent fix it, i will have to spend the 170 bucks for a set of new lifters and replace em.
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 02:51 PM
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I'd have left it as it was. Then when I went to change the oil, put in an oil flush, drive around for half an hour, and then drain the oil whilst its still hot. If you're really feeling pedantic, fill with diesel oil. Then after about a week or so, add another oil flush, 30mins driving, drain when hot. Change the filter at that point, and fill with good oil. Thats going overboard, but if you're that worried, it'll do the trick.
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12-06-2010, 03:03 PM
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Oh well **** happens, car is due for service next weekend anyways
So ill put new filter and oil through Unless it fixes it self after its had its clean up
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 03:18 PM
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Just another mock-up..
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again.....
did you get a warranty on this engine... sound like its pretty crap for a low k engine.. been trashed a bit hey.. take it back and tell them you want another one!
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12-06-2010, 03:56 PM
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cbf now its in and running, cant afford the car to be off the road any longer, need to get back into work, i can deal with it, soon as i start work ill replace the lifters and prob new rocker gear while im there,
cheers guys
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12-06-2010, 03:57 PM
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Thats what you get from buying from the wreckers, or even private u dont no till it all goes in
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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12-06-2010, 03:58 PM
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Just another mock-up..
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yeah, but most wreckers give you a warranty..
or did you buy it from a backyard hack...?
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12-06-2010, 04:03 PM
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Was a wrecker, just wrecks aus, he gave me my money back for the gear box, witch is good,
Ill do a oil change during the week next week and see how it goes, should shut them up for a bit so i can get the lifters done
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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13-06-2010, 01:23 AM
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Hang on, in your first post you said the noise is coming from under the sump, so why does everyone think it is lifter noise? Did the lifter treatment stuff quieten down your lifters, so now you can hear the noise from the sump. I traced my tick tock noise coming from back of the sump, to the flywheel ring gear. there is a fairly recent thread about it.
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13-06-2010, 01:46 AM
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Hmmm, never thought of the ring gear, or even the fly wheel for that matter
Could u link me to the thread, cheers
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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13-06-2010, 01:47 AM
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Before i put the nulon treat ment stuff in, i never had a the tick tick tick tick tick noise from under the car, but soon after i added it it appeard,
Also if it is the ring gear, Would would cause it ???
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13-06-2010, 01:52 AM
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frd906, i added Nulon lifter stuff to my most recent oil last oil change (about two weeks ago) using Nulon 20-50 (same viscosity as you.)
And ever since according to my gauge on the dash it takes longer to get oil pressure up on cold starts and it also makes the same knock/tick noise that you explain! I think I will just dump the oil and do another oil change just I'm not gonna change the filter cause its a k&n and only 2 weeks old Let us know what you do, and I'll let you know when i get around to rehanging my oil if it returns it back to normal! Cheers ED Ford Falcon
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13-06-2010, 02:07 AM
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Ill probably change drop and change the oil in sydney on thursday on the way up to cairns...ill post if it solves the ticking problem!
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13-06-2010, 02:08 AM
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Hmm, if you get the same noise as me what i show in the vids, im not the only one.
I will let ya no, im planning on dropping the oil out and change to a better grade oil and new filter hopefully next weekend, if not ill have to change the lifters
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Welder/Fabricator at Beaudesert Exhuast Posted by Xcabbi, Does it slap or rattle? Rattle is more to do with timing chains and tensioners. Slap is more to do with lifters, rings, bearings or GENIII boat anchors |
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13-06-2010, 02:11 AM
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i would take a video of mine but i wouldn't know how to post it up!...
Lifters are at the top of the motor nowhere near the sump, and even if it was that which was causing the noise it'd get quieter as the motor warms up wouldn't it? What brand of oil did you use? I've always been happy with Nulon products till now! lol
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13-06-2010, 02:15 AM
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I was using penrite 20w 50, i added the lifter treat ment in about 4 days ago, it only started the ticking, knocking sound in my videos last night
Even at normal operating temperature i can hear it
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13-06-2010, 02:19 AM
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After adding the lifter treatment, does it makes the noises at the same volume from when the car is cold started till it reaches operating temp? or wont you drive it?
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13-06-2010, 02:24 AM
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lol im driving it, on a cold start the noise isnt present, or its very faint, but at normal operating temperature after a long drive and i stop, and put it in park, the noise appears,
When i was at my mechs other day, the noise in my vids wasnt there at all,
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13-06-2010, 02:31 AM
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Well my car ticks loudest at idle when cold and just started but calms slowly! next time i drive somewhere and get it to operating temp ill open the bonnet and also stick my head under the engine and see if i can hear any odd noises
I'm going to bed anyways frd906, let us know what you do and the outcome and ill do the same...goodluck!
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